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post #31 of 93
10/15/06 at 9:18pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by imadkhuri
Kirstie Alley was on the daily syndicated version (1979-1982), which was just called "Match Game".
She was only on Match Game for one week, and just a few years before she even got into acting.

I remember Kirstie Alley went on Password Plus in 1980, and when Allen Ludden asked what she did she said she was in college and studying fashion design. I'm not a fan of hers, but I thought that was interesting to see her years before Cheers.

As for the older, New York-based "The Match Game" (only the original had "The" in the name), back in the 1980s I used to collect old TV GUIDEs from the past. One of them was from 1962, and Match Game was listed as being in color even then. What's surprising is that NBC deleted most of those old tapes. Only 11 shows survive (I've seen one or two of them -- very different format from the 1970s Match Game), and those are crappy-looking B & W kinescopes. CBS did the same thing with "What's My Line", which like Password and To Tell the Truth was shot on black & white (and later color) videotape. Most Password tapes were preserved at least. With To Tell the Truth though, the original B & W tapes from the daytime version are intact because Game Show Network played those for a while. It's the prime time edition from that same time period that are kinescopes.

The second, more famous version of Match Game was originally on CBS on weekday mornings from 1973 to early 1979, and moved to syndicated daytime that fall. "Match Game PM" started in 1975, and was always syndicated. Both went to 1982.
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post #32 of 93
10/15/06 at 10:28pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by MatthewA
What is LiveFeed?

I imagine it's the NTSC equivalent of VidFire, which was developed by the Doctor Who Restoration Team:

http://www.purpleville.pwp.blueyonde...te/vidfire.htm

In short, it's a process that analyzes kinescope frames and finds a way to reproduce the original interlaced video fields, making it look like video again, rather than a film recording of a video screen.
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post #33 of 93
10/16/06 at 1:36am

Re: Match Game on DVD

Livefeed can't transform a black & white kinescope back into its original color videotaped form, so don't expect that process to be used here.
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post #34 of 93
10/16/06 at 8:15am

Re: Match Game on DVD

30 Episodes. Ranging from 1973 to 1982 with most falling in the 70s. Starts off with the 1973 pilot with Richard Dawson, Anita Gillette, Jack Klugman, Michael Landon, Vicki Lawrence and Jo Ann Pflug.

Features include:

- Best Moments of Match Game - hosted by Brett Somers
- A Tribute to Gene Rayburn
- Photo Galley
- Exclusive interview with Brett Somers
- Original 1962 Pilot of "The Match Game"
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post #35 of 93
10/16/06 at 9:29am

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Jeff#
Livefeed can't transform a black & white kinescope back into its original color videotaped form, so don't expect that process to be used here.
Who cares if its not color? The goal is to recreate the original look of being captured on an electric camera which those kines sadly lack.
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post #36 of 93
10/16/06 at 11:31am

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Jeff#
Livefeed can't transform a black & white kinescope back into its original color videotaped form, so don't expect that process to be used here.

That has nothing to do with it. Livefeed would still produce a more authentic product in this situation.
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post #37 of 93
10/16/06 at 2:49pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

Of all the tv shows being released on dvd between now and the end of the year, this title is probably the biggest surprise--and I've never been more happy to be surprised!!! "The Price is Right" aside, this version of "Match Game" is probably my favorite game show of all time. I fondly remember pretending to be sick so I could stay home from school and watch "TPIR", "Match Game," and "Tattle Tales." If fact, the day this set is released, I think I'll make a fake-sick call into work. However, I have to admit I wasn't as big a fan of the the star wheel. (I always worried if I was a contest on the show, it would land on Patty Deutsch and I'd win bupkis.)

Brett Somers hosting a "Best Of" featurette will probably feature the "My, you have nice nipples" blooper, but I hope the set contains this full episode since I've never seen it in its entirety. (My other favorite gaffe is the ep where the grandmotherly contestant tells Gene: "My name is Mary so-and-so, I live in Encino, and I'm retarded, oops, I mean retired.")

I cannot recall, but wasn't Match Game the series they would shoot some shows in the afternoon, break for a cocktail hour (to get the panelists good and liquored up), and then film again that evening, which led to some rowdier-than-usual behavior?
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post #38 of 93
10/16/06 at 2:56pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Wooten
I cannot recall, but wasn't Match Game the series they would shoot some shows in the afternoon, break for a cocktail hour (to get the panelists good and liquored up), and then film again that evening, which led to some rowdier-than-usual behavior?

They'd be drinking during the show at times.

And smoking. 1 of the episodes has Richard making some kind of weird cigarette holder.
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post #39 of 93
10/16/06 at 6:52pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Joel Henderson
Who cares if its not color? The goal is to recreate the original look of being captured on an electric camera which those kines sadly lack.
I don't have a problem with black & white, if a show is produced in black & white. I was merely pointing out that The Match Game on NBC from 1962 to 1969 was always broadcast in color. However, since this is the only surviving copy I'll make an exception. I'm buying this set for the rest of the series anyway. The old Match Game show from the 60s is just an added bonus.

It will be interesting to see how this new Livefeed process works, as it's already been used on another upcoming release: five 1956 and 57 episodes of The Ed Sullivan Show featuring Elvis Presley.
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post #40 of 93
10/16/06 at 7:16pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

OK on this release, but I'd prefer a release of one of the longest-running (and greatest!) game shows ever: What's My Line?- a show which shouldbe revived!
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post #41 of 93
10/16/06 at 7:22pm

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Regarding this Livefeed process- a few weeks ago I saw what I thought was recently found videotape of Elvis' Sullivan appearances on Entertainment Tonight- if this is what the process can do, then it must be used to improve every known kinescope there is!
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post #42 of 93
10/16/06 at 8:03pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Wooten
wasn't Match Game the series they would shoot some shows in the afternoon, break for a cocktail hour (to get the panelists good and liquored up), and then film again that evening, which led to some rowdier-than-usual behavior?

Peter Marshal has reported this to be the case about Hollywood Squares, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened on MG.
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post #43 of 93
10/16/06 at 8:09pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
Regarding this Livefeed process- a few weeks ago I saw what I thought was recently found videotape of Elvis' Sullivan appearances on Entertainment Tonight- if this is what the process can do, then it must be used to improve every known kinescope there is!


I was at a friend's office in California last summer and he showed me the process. It is amazing. It literally can make a crappy old kinescope look like beautiful black and white videotape.
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post #44 of 93
10/16/06 at 10:23pm

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Well the only clip of LiveFeed I've seen is a demo at the official site (http://www.kinescopes.com/Livefeed.html) using a 1965 episode of Whats My Line? Couldn't tell from the way it was compressed but if it delivers results close to VidFIRE then thats good to know.
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post #45 of 93
10/16/06 at 10:48pm

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"What's My Line?" was an entertaining game show, and it's still amazing to me that CBS would delete the original videotapes of that and The Garry Moore Show when they saved the tapes for The Ed Sullivan Show, The Jackie Gleason Show, The Danny Kaye Show, Password, etc.

The final season of What's My Line, though still live was definitely in color (1966-1967) and as with The Match Game, Livefeed can only do so much.

The clip on the Livefeed site is from 1965 though, so it doesn't matter. Unfortunately, I can't see the difference because my copy of QuickTime is audio-only.
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post #46 of 93
10/18/06 at 7:33am

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This is a must buy for me what a fun show this was. Hopefully this will do well so other game shows can be released. Now it is up to MGM Home video to step up to the plate and put out the Hollywood Squares (And The Storybook Squares). These were also great shows. Peter Marshall's book had a CD of the best moments, the video would be even better.
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post #47 of 93
10/18/06 at 12:46pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
Regarding this Livefeed process- a few weeks ago I saw what I thought was recently found videotape of Elvis' Sullivan appearances on Entertainment Tonight- if this is what the process can do, then it must be used to improve every known kinescope there is!


Boy-- **that's** the type of comment that makes all of the work worthwhile... thanks, Charles!

I had heard another report similar to this a couple of weeks ago (someone mentioned a clip they saw on "Inside Edition")-- I wasn't aware that Andrew (Solt) had released any clips to the media, but it never hurts to start the buzz as early as possible, I guess...

And to all who asked, I wasn't asked to work on the "Match Geme" box set, so the version of the 12/2/62 pilot that is on the set should just be the kinescope.

I do have a LiveFeed test clip from a 1964 "all-star" MG episode up at blip.tv, though, if anyone cares to watch...

http://www.blip.tv/file/77269

The necessity of web broadcast encoding flattens out the "LiveFeed" effect a bit, but it's still quite enjoyable, I think.

-Kevin
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post #48 of 93
10/18/06 at 1:21pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Joel Henderson
I do hope this sells well. Maybe we'll get a Best of Password next with that ABC-era episode GSN recently found.
I would be all over buying "Password"!

Well, actually, I would only want it if it included the Queen of Password, Elizabeth Montgomery's appearances. Hers and Agnes Moorehead's.

I think that is AWESOME that MatchGame is being released. I used to watch that all the time!
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post #49 of 93
10/18/06 at 2:13pm

Re: Match Game on DVD

You know, I had often thought about how great it would be to have this on dvd but never in my wildest dreams thought it would happen. This was my favorite game show. My wife is going to think I'm nuts for buying a game show dvd. I hope they come out with more "Best Ofs" of MG.

Other shows I'd like to see:
Tattle Tales
Tic,Tac,Dough
Joker's Wild
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post #50 of 93
10/18/06 at 5:48pm

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Kevin, are there any clips online of the restored Elvis tapes? Have you been approached by the legit owners of certain programs in kinescope form?
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post #51 of 93
10/18/06 at 6:46pm

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Charles:

There are none up at the moment, as Image Entertainment will be spearheading the publicity... I'm told they intend to get at least one clip up on the web before the release date (November 21st), but I haven't seen it yet. Soon, perhaps...

To answer your second question, yes, we've been talking informally with a few different content providers, but there's nothing major to announce **yet**. I expect to be even busier after the Sullivan shows, though-- particularly when an increasing number of intellectual property holders see the results, and also consider the fact that the LiveFeed footage is able to be newly copyrighted, and therefore, they don't have to bother with concerns that some "P.D. shark" is going to try to appropriate their vintage material.

Of course, that does mean that I want to get everything looking as nice as possible, too-- we're going to be seeing some of this footage licensed for a long time into the future!

Finally, for those who are both patient and curious, there are also a few more clips at:

http://blip.tv/posts/?user=philofarnsworth

and one at what will soon be the new site:

http://blip.tv/posts/?user=livefeed

Enjoy!

-Kevin

(Oh-- and sorry for hijacking the thread!)
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post #52 of 93
10/19/06 at 3:34am

Re: Match Game on DVD

Kevin,

What a great process "Live Feed" is. Old kinescope now has a new life.
Enjoyed the "How High The Moon" demo...great tune !!!
One question...does this process also diminish in any way, the amount of specks and lines found on kinescope film ??

John
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post #53 of 93
10/19/06 at 3:42am

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I checked out the Livefood restorations of What's My Line and The Match Game from the 1960s, and WML looks the same to me as it did on Game Show Network.

Maybe it's because the website's picture is so small, because I'm using a 2005 Macintosh OS-X and a 15 inch Samsung SyncMaster 152N flat screen monitor, so I have great resolution.

At least The Match Game does looks better than the kinescope I saw on Game Show Network during a marathon a few years ago (which was co-hosted for GSN in this century by elderly Charles Nelson Reilly and Brett Somers).
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post #54 of 93
10/19/06 at 8:53am

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Sky King
Kevin,

What a great process "Live Feed" is. Old kinescope now has a new life.
Enjoyed the "How High The Moon" demo...great tune !!!
One question...does this process also diminish in any way, the amount of specks and lines found on kinescope film ??

John


John:

Well, any dirt or blobs on the film itself should ideally be cleaned before I start to work on it... but of course, that's often not the reality of the situation, so generally speaking, there's at least some amount of image cleanup that I do by hand-- mostly so the finished product meets my own standards.

Tram lines (the dark vertical lines that occasionally show up on vintage films, from rough projection) are still a difficulty... but that's true for everyone that deals with the medium. There are now rather sophisticated programs that are no doubt capable of eliminating them (I'm thinking of something like Mokey), but I don't know of any home video producer that is looking to spend that kind of money on a project.

Film grain, synch strobing and moire are a different matter, however. LiveFeed really is uniquely suited for eliminating those kinescoping artifacts, and most of them drop out very nicely as a result of being processed. I'd have posted the "before" version of the Les Paul clip, but I don't think I have it handy at the moment... it's pretty grungy. To top it off, not only is the kinescope film rough, but my source was a VHS copy of an "Omnibus" doucumentary. So as you might guess, I'm pretty pleased to get the final results that you see!

It's challenging work, but great fun, too... glad you enjoy the results!!

-Kevin
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post #55 of 93
10/19/06 at 9:10am

Re: Match Game on DVD

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Originally Posted by Bob_S.
Other shows I'd like to see:
Tattle Tales
Tic,Tac,Dough
Joker's Wild

Heh - I've got four words for you: "Big bucks! No whammie!"

Of course I'd like to get more You Bet Your Life. I got those two sets blind and theyre great stuff!
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post #56 of 93
10/19/06 at 4:53pm

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Kevin,

Thanks for your response.
Have you put your "Live Feed" process to the ultimate test and tried restoring one of the 1948 "Texaco Star Theater" shows ??
Some of these shows are so washed out as to be barely viewable.
Just recently I was watching a 1956 "Tennessee Ernie Ford Show" where he sang Sixteen Tons. As I watched, I wondered if it could ever be viewed as clear as it first aired.
I think your Live Feed can make many shows like Ernie's look as if you're watching the live feed on a studio monitor.
Again congrats and good luck.

John
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post #57 of 93
10/22/06 at 8:10pm
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Re: Match Game on DVD

Does anyone know what Brett thought of Gary Burghoff? I get the impression she didn't like him too much. She almost never looked at him and looked annoyed and rarely responded when he joked about her.
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post #58 of 93
10/22/06 at 8:47pm

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
Does anyone know what Brett thought of Gary Burghoff? I get the impression she didn't like him too much. She almost never looked at him and looked annoyed and rarely responded when he joked about her.
Nobody liked Gary Burgoff, although if you were a M*A*S*H fan then maybe you could tolerate Radar because the rest of the characters on the show were so good.

I just purchased this "Best of Match Game" set for $19.05 (DeepDiscountDVD) on Saturday. Looks like another pre-order deal.
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post #59 of 93
11/18/06 at 9:58am

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I received mine today from DeepDiscountDvd!
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post #60 of 93
11/18/06 at 10:02pm

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I'm not sure why you said that about Gary Burghoff...seems a bit mean-spirited to me. I always liked him myself so that proves your theory wrong.

I'm not sure if it's today or next Sunday, but GSN is showing a documentary on the show which I want to catch. That would've been a nice extra to put on the DVD set. I wonder, if there's ever a second volume, if they might include it as an extra later?

Edit: I have now seen a promo and the documentary airs not today but next weekend...figuried I better correct myself before someone else does!
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