New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-Ray player thread - Page 11

post #301 of 664
11/28/06 at 9:34am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grant H
Disturbing news at AVS Forum that you guys might want to look into:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=758197

I'm not sure that the info is credible. There are a few posters over there who are just wacko about CUE. And, there was no 1.1 firmware released by Panasonic.

No need to panic. Things will get sorted out.

Dana
Reply
post #302 of 664
11/28/06 at 9:43am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by drbonbi
I'm not sure that the info is credible. There are a few posters over there who are just wacko about CUE. And, there was no 1.1 firmware released by Panasonic.

No need to panic. Things will get sorted out.

Dana
If the info weren't coming from Stacy Spears I'd be inclined to agree with you. Still, if there's a problem I'm sure Panasonic will correct it....provided they know about it.
Reply
post #303 of 664
11/28/06 at 10:18am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Okay, but the question is has anyone here with the 1.2 firmware on their player actually seen this on their player? If not, then it's much ado about nothing, IMO.
Reply
post #304 of 664
11/28/06 at 10:44am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I can't help but wonder if CUE (on whatever player(s)) could account for the discrepancies in the perceived quality of the Superman Returns HD transfer. Some say the transfer if flawless; others perceive artifacts. What if the artifacts are actually CUE rearing its head as it tends to do with solid intense colors, especially reds and blues (which the SR has an ample supply of)?
Reply
post #305 of 664
11/28/06 at 9:07pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I don't know if I believe this whole thing but anyway, cue or not, a newer firmware upgrade would fix it anyway, assuming it does exist. That is the whole beauty about code upgrades, right?
Reply
post #306 of 664
11/28/06 at 10:54pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

When the Panasonic has the upgrade for Dolby True HD & DTS-MA will it be able to output the new audio codecs over the 7.1 analog outs or only over the HDMI output. And if it will output the new codecs over the analog outputs will it be downconverted sound or will I get the full bitrate sound of the new audio codecs?

Unfortunately I have a receiver that doesn't have an HDMI input. It only has 7.1 analog inputs.
Reply
post #307 of 664
11/28/06 at 11:38pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

what's with the cue business? why is it bad?
Reply
post #308 of 664
11/29/06 at 1:54am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Chroma Upsampling Error, aka chroma bug.
Reply
post #309 of 664
11/29/06 at 4:39am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by marine92104
When the Panasonic has the upgrade for Dolby True HD & DTS-MA will it be able to output the new audio codecs over the 7.1 analog outs or only over the HDMI output. And if it will output the new codecs over the analog outputs will it be downconverted sound or will I get the full bitrate sound of the new audio codecs?

Unfortunately I have a receiver that doesn't have an HDMI input. It only has 7.1 analog inputs.

The firmware upgrade will provide greater decoding capability for the player. Transport of the decoded signal will be no different than it is at present. Eight channel LPCM by HDMI 1.2a or eight channel line-level audio output derived from the multichannel mixed PCM signal passed through the BD10's 192kHz/24bit digital-to-analog converters.

Panasonic is the only Blu-ray disc player in production with 7.1 analog outs and they boast about them here. http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/b...0/hqsound.html
"The D/A converter uses Advanced Segment D-A processing, which applies multi-bit processing to establish the audio reference and 1bit processing to render the delicate nuances. These combine to create a remarkably beautiful sound that has both power and purity."

Bottom line: same as 8 ch. LPCM.

Dana
Reply
post #310 of 664
11/29/06 at 5:45am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by drbonbi
The firmware upgrade will provide greater decoding capability for the player. Transport of the decoded signal will be no different than it is at present. Eight channel LPCM by HDMI 1.2a or eight channel line-level audio output derived from the multichannel mixed PCM signal passed through the BD10's 92kHz/24bit digital-to-analog converters.
That's correct, only the Panasonic has 192/24 DACs, not 92/24 DACs.

Quote:
Panasonic is the only Blu-ray disc player in production with 7.1 analog outs and they boast about them here. http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/b...0/hqsound.html
"The D/A converter uses Advanced Segment D-A processing, which applies multi-bit processing to establish the audio reference and 1bit processing to render the delicate nuances. These combine to create a remarkably beautiful sound that has both power and purity."

Bottom line: same as 8 ch. LPCM.

Dana

Nice, I have to admit, the Panasonic does sound quite nice, though I haven't really burned it in yet. I'm still not sure If I prefer it to my Denon DVD-2200 as far as sound, I'd have to do a more thorough comparison.
Reply
post #311 of 664
11/29/06 at 1:48pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Any of you guys done any testing for blacker than black. I was really surprised to see Spears state that it clipped below black and above white (as the PS3 does), BUT he did have a massive, confusing note stating levels changed with the player's picture controls. However, the dynamic range of the image was affected by doing that. Eventually, he suggested NOT adjusting the picture controls because you could end up with banding!

Just curious what you guys' experience has been. Anyone care to share their Superman Returns experience on this player?

The CUE should be easily corrected, and I sure hope it is, but the BTB issue is a more a stickler for me since I found my DVD player that didn't pass BTB too have a terribly dull image compared to the cheapy I replaced it with that passed it no problem.

Thanks to the rave reviews and the delcared audio support I'm still banking on the Panasonic or its successor as my Blu-ray player when the time comes. Functionally, it seems to be as non-buggy as it comes. I'd just like any potential technical bugs out of the way too.
Reply
post #312 of 664
11/29/06 at 3:21pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Well, I FINALLY got down to doing some good testing this week on the panny player. My BR collection is 28 including 8 of Fox's latest, 10 from Sony and an assorted batch from MGM, Warner, Disney, Lionsgate and Paramount.

They all played flawlessly but mind you, the player came out of the box at code level 1.2 which I only just checked today. In my particular setup, I am using component for video and hdmi for audio, both switched via the receiver... a Yamaha RX-V2600.

I was able to test various video and audio codecs and as I do not have satellite or any hd box, this was the first time that my projector has see hdef. The results please me.
Reply
post #313 of 664
11/29/06 at 4:22pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

i thought chroma bug only existed in SD-DVD players, why is it appearing on HD players?
Reply
post #314 of 664
11/30/06 at 8:11am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I have a follow up on my problem with the Panasonic DMP-BD10 not diplaying 4:3 content correctly - the problem seems to be limited to regular DVD discs alone. The panny displays sides bars correctly on DVD-A (audio) and Blu-ray discs, leading to the conclusion that this is a programing (firmware) error. I finally was able to call Panasonic product support - the person I spoke to acknowledge the problem but blaimed it on the fact that the Blu-ray player was mainly programed for BD-V playback, not DVD-V playback. They also could not confirm that there would be a fix with a future firmware release.

Has anybody else seems this problem with regular DVD discs?
Reply
post #315 of 664
11/30/06 at 8:46am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by ppoulos
I have a follow up on my problem with the Panasonic DMP-BD10 not diplaying 4:3 content correctly - the problem seems to be limited to regular DVD discs alone. The panny displays sides bars correctly on DVD-A (audio) and Blu-ray discs, leading to the conclusion that this is a programing (firmware) error. I finally was able to call Panasonic product support - the person I spoke to acknowledge the problem but blaimed it on the fact that the Blu-ray player was mainly programed for BD-V playback, not DVD-V playback. They also could not confirm that there would be a fix with a future firmware release.

Has anybody else seems this problem with regular DVD discs?

No problem here. My standard def 4:3 DVDs play very well - with side bars on all of them (several) I've played to date. Hmm. You have set the "TV Aspect" correctly on the BD-10 (pg. 22 of the manual) for your TV, right?

Dana
Reply
post #316 of 664
11/30/06 at 8:57am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grant H
Any of you guys done any testing for blacker than black. I was really surprised to see Spears state that it clipped below black and above white (as the PS3 does), BUT he did have a massive, confusing note stating levels changed with the player's picture controls. However, the dynamic range of the image was affected by doing that. Eventually, he suggested NOT adjusting the picture controls because you could end up with banding!

Just curious what you guys' experience has been. Anyone care to share their Superman Returns experience on this player?

The CUE should be easily corrected, and I sure hope it is, but the BTB issue is a more a stickler for me since I found my DVD player that didn't pass BTB too have a terribly dull image compared to the cheapy I replaced it with that passed it no problem.

Thanks to the rave reviews and the delcared audio support I'm still banking on the Panasonic or its successor as my Blu-ray player when the time comes. Functionally, it seems to be as non-buggy as it comes. I'd just like any potential technical bugs out of the way too.

All I know is when I ran the Digital Video Essentials DVD it displayed the below black information on the black level test pattern. I know that's not HD, but that's the best I can do. The Panasonic was and is the only DVD player that ever passed the below black information from that test pattern on any of my televisions, so take from that what you will. BTW, I have the Panny with the 1.2 firmware.

As for Superman Returns, I watched this last night and I thought it looked awful. I never saw it in the theatre, so I'm not sure what exactly it was supposed to look like, but I thought the colours looked washed out, the blacks looked faded, and the the overall picture was soft and grainy. It was by far the worst Blu-ray I own, but I only own about 13 titles so far, so take from that what you will.

EDIT: One other thing, I've got the player connected via HDMI-to-DVI, and the HDMI setting is set to 'Darker'.
Reply
post #317 of 664
11/30/06 at 9:44am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by drbonbi
No problem here. My standard def 4:3 DVDs play very well - with side bars on all of them (several) I've played to date. Hmm. You have set the "TV Aspect" correctly on the BD-10 (pg. 22 of the manual) for your TV, right?

Dana
Thanks for the rely - info. Yes I have set the TV Aspect to 16:9 (NOT 16:9 Full), as indicated on page 22 of the manual. Are you using HDMI or component video output? I am using component video (my HDTV has no HDMI input), and have turned off the HDMI Video Mode (as per page 9 of the manual). It is strange, though, that the 4:3 menu content of DVD Audio discs plays fine, but not the 4:3 content of regular DVD's.
Reply
post #318 of 664
11/30/06 at 9:50am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

A review by Kris Deering of the BD10 playing SD DVDs has been posted here http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-b...0%20(Component)

"For standard definition DVD playback, the Panasonic DMP-BD10 is in a completely different league than the Samsung Blu-ray player. While it is not quite as good as what we’ve seen from Panasonic’s dedicated DVD platforms, it is good enough that I think most people would be more than happy using it for their SD DVDs as well as Blu-ray discs. While this is a more expensive option than the Samsung Blu-ray player, and represents the most expensive next generation player to date, it is the best I’ve seen from the Blu-ray camp so far."

Dana

PS. A review of the BD10 playing Blu-ray discs is in the works.
Reply
post #319 of 664
11/30/06 at 10:16am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by ppoulos
Thanks for the rely - info. Yes I have set the TV Aspect to 16:9 (NOT 16:9 Full), as indicated on page 22 of the manual. Are you using HDMI or component video output? I am using component video (my HDTV has no HDMI input), and have turned off the HDMI Video Mode (as per page 9 of the manual). It is strange, though, that the 4:3 menu content of DVD Audio discs plays fine, but not the 4:3 content of regular DVD's.

I'm using HDMI. Still, that should not make a difference.

Dana
Reply
post #320 of 664
11/30/06 at 12:31pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by drbonbi
I'm using HDMI. Still, that should not make a difference.

Dana
There should NOT be a difference in picture performance (other than resolution) between HDMI output and Component Video output, especially on interpreting 4:3 content on SD DVD's, but so far that is the only difference I see in our setups (excluding type of displays).

Thanks for the URL to that other review on the Pannasonic DMP-BD10. The reviewer doesn't mention any 4:3 content display error on component video output, but I cannot tell if he looked for any (I presume so).
Reply
post #321 of 664
11/30/06 at 1:12pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenRedux
All I know is when I ran the Digital Video Essentials DVD it displayed the below black information on the black level test pattern. I know that's not HD, but that's the best I can do. The Panasonic was and is the only DVD player that ever passed the below black information from that test pattern on any of my televisions, so take from that what you will. BTW, I have the Panny with the 1.2 firmware.

As for Superman Returns, I watched this last night and I thought it looked awful. I never saw it in the theatre, so I'm not sure what exactly it was supposed to look like, but I thought the colours looked washed out, the blacks looked faded, and the the overall picture was soft and grainy. It was by far the worst Blu-ray I own, but I only own about 13 titles so far, so take from that what you will.

EDIT: One other thing, I've got the player connected via HDMI-to-DVI, and the HDMI setting is set to 'Darker'.

Superman Returns was shot digitally and the colors were rather muted compared to other Superman films. The blacks looked okay on the filmprint I saw, horrible on the digital presentation I saw. That theater was so dim there was no black detail at all. Couldn't even see them flying around Metropolis at night.

Some have reported it looking rather noisy on video, SD and HD. Did you notice any banding in the picture? Someone posted in the Software that it bands the most on the Samsung, but some on the PS3. No one's pointed out the Panasonic yet.

Reviews mixed on both BR and HD-DVD, so it's still unclear if it's the software or the hardware. If it's hardware, must be player-specific issues on both sides. If it's the software, seems odd some find the transfer beautiful and others horrid.
Reply
post #322 of 664
11/30/06 at 1:28pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I saw Superman Returns in the cinema. What a truly ugly looking movie. I don't know if I can bear to sit through it again....
Reply
post #323 of 664
11/30/06 at 2:24pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

How ironic bcs it was shot with Sony's new 1080p24 digital cameras which are supposed to be amazing.
Reply
post #324 of 664
11/30/06 at 2:33pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I watched Superman Returns today on the panasonic player and I did not notice the noise and banding but did notice that the image was a little soft compared to some of the other BR disks that I own. Mind you, I am currently displaying at 1080i over component.
Reply
post #325 of 664
11/30/06 at 2:34pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
How ironic bcs it was shot with Sony's new 1080p24 digital cameras which are supposed to be amazing.

They used an ugly colour palatte if you ask me. I'm sure this film is not a good indication of what Sony's cameras are capable of.
Reply
post #326 of 664
11/30/06 at 4:17pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
They used an ugly colour palatte if you ask me.
I remember thinking I wasn't impressed with the look of the movie in the theater. It was only later that I found out it was shot digitally. I think the rush by some moviemakers to go digital is premature.
Reply
post #327 of 664
12/1/06 at 6:26am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grant H
Some have reported it looking rather noisy on video, SD and HD. Did you notice any banding in the picture? Someone posted in the Software that it bands the most on the Samsung, but some on the PS3. No one's pointed out the Panasonic yet.
I did not notice any banding.

Quote:
Reviews mixed on both BR and HD-DVD, so it's still unclear if it's the software or the hardware. If it's hardware, must be player-specific issues on both sides. If it's the software, seems odd some find the transfer beautiful and others horrid.

Personal preference perhaps? I thought it was just an awful looking disc.
Reply
post #328 of 664
12/1/06 at 6:45am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

As I suspected, it seems the problems I have with the Superman Returns BR are in fact in the 'artistic intent', based on the comments here. Well, all of that still amounts to an awful looking film and an awful looking disc, IMO, even if it is faithful to the original.
Reply
post #329 of 664
12/1/06 at 9:24am

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

It's possible the film transfer in most theaters may have actually flattered the image I suppose. I went to a digital presentation to see if it looked more stunning and was very disappointed, but I blamed it on a bad presentation. Usually the film transfers of digital movies are dimmer, but in this case it was the opposite. I could barely see anything at the DLP presentation.

Many people saw the movie in IMAX though and thought it looked good, but perhaps it benefited from some special processing there.

I'm glad to here the Panasonic owners aren't noticing any banding, as that was my largest concern. Of course, there could just be some faulty 1st-gen players out there on both sides for those who are having real problems like banding. Bad chips or circuits somewhere.

The film probably does have a soft look to it, perhaps because they were going for the Unsworth(?) look of the Donner Superman.

I also wonder if some of the noise is some kind of digital "film look" process that might not have been detectable on the actual film prints that were struck.
Reply
post #330 of 664
12/1/06 at 3:19pm

Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Has anyone received this email:

Dear Customer,

Thank you for your interest in the Blu-ray software upgrade offer for your model number DMP-BD10. This software release is not scheduled until April 2007. We have your address on file and will be sending it to you as soon as it becomes available.

Sincerely,

Panasonic Fulfillment Dept.
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home