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In regards to the audio, David is right. All the voice tracks sound like they've been heavily denoised and EQ'd. They sound wooden, distant, like all the life has been squeezed out of them. There most definitely is a "spread" to them . . . not sure what exactly they did, but it's there. If you have a way to sum your system to mono, try doing it to this mix of Mermaid. If it had been mixed properly, the voices in the center track wouldn't be affected. On this mix, strange things happen to the few high frequencies that they have left.

Reverb, echo and digital delay has been applied in excess and clumsily. When Ariel is singing "Part of Your World," there's this electronic reverb all over her voice that's supposed to make her sound like she's inside the underwater grotto. Not too difficult a trick to pull off for a competent audio guy, but here it just sounds like they've run her voice through a digital reverb unit set on one of its presets. Seems strange to say about a cartoon about a mermaid, but the illusion of reality is destroyed by the clumsy application of the technology.

By contrast, the music and effects are bright, busy, and way, way upfront. They, too, have had the snot no-noised out of them, causing them to sound cold and lifeless, but they've also been EQd much brighter. The result is that they just don't "hang' with the voice tracks. It sounds like you're listening to two different recordings played at the same time rather than a cohesive mix.

I was never crazy about the CD soundtrack of this flick -- don't care for the heavily reverb'd "broadway cast album" sound they went for -- but it is obvious from both the CD and the previous home video issues that the Mermaid soundtrack was recorded much better than this mess would indicate. The voices had punch, life, and high frequencies. The effects were subtle and complemented the mix rather than drawing attention to themselves. That's what I wanted, and expected, from this DVD.

There were a couple of points in the review I wasn't sure I agreed with in reference to the video -- specifically, I think some of the artifact criticisms may have been caused by artifacts of the cel animation process as it was practiced at the time (like the sketchy outlines from the Xerox process, or the flickering brush strokes in Ariel's hair). But you're right, it does look dark and fuzzy, and I notice the film grain has been heavily filtered as well. I was lucky enough to see the DLP digitally projected version a few weeks ago at the El Capitan Theater in Hollywood. Looked fabulous. Razor-sharp, great color, no artifacts anywhere, and that was from my seat way too close to the screen. Unless this is a completely different transfer, the blame lies in the encoding.
post #92 of 166
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In regards to the audio, David is right. All the voice tracks sound like they've been heavily denoised and EQ'd. They sound wooden, distant, like all the life has been squeezed out of them. There most definitely is a "spread" to them . . . not sure what exactly they did, but it's there. If you have a way to sum your system to mono, try doing it to this mix of Mermaid. If it had been mixed properly, the voices in the center track wouldn't be affected. On this mix, strange things happen to the few high frequencies that they have left.

Eric,

THANK YOU for hearing what I'm hearing. Your description is EXACTLY like what I'm experiencing... in sharp contast to the 5.1 mix on the original DVD and LD 5.1/2.0!
post #93 of 166

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Thanks for all the reviews David! It was pretty much your in depth, passionate reviews of Bambi, Cinderella and Lady & The Tramp that caused me to go out and buy those discs despite never having seen the films themselves. My film viewing self has been enriched as a result.

Keep up the standard of writing, depth of understanding and passion in your future reviews: they've been greatly valued here at HTF.

Cheers!
post #94 of 166

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your reviews were always my favorites here at HTF DaVid :-)

From a huge Disney dweeb to another, I tip my Mickey Ears to you.
post #95 of 166

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I am definitely sorry to see you go. Hopefully you will continue to post on HTF and provide insights.
post #96 of 166

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Congrats David, thanks for all the hard work here at HTF and good luck in your new endeavors.
post #97 of 166

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post #98 of 166

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I don't know about you guys, but I have Infinity IL-60 speakers all around and unfortunately, I heard exactly what DaVid described in his review.

I wrote a friend a long e-mail about how terrible this new DVD looked and sounded.

The biggest complaint I have about the new sound mix is that it does sound very electronically filtered. It's "clean" but it's "too" clean. They sucked all of the life out of the vocals and this is especially apparent when Ariel is singing. "Part Of Your World" sounds ridiculously bad. It's just as DaVid described: Flat (very, very flat), Lifeless, filtered, and even brassy, like a low-quality MP3.

I hated the sound with a passion. It was dull and lifeless and the worst part about it is that I don't even have the original mix to compare it with. I've never owned any release of the Little Mermaid before now, so I've never heard it any other way, but I can definitely tell how terrible it sounds, compared to other movies that sound truly remarkable on my speaker system.

As for the video, although I have the Z4 projecting an image of 127" (16:9), I have only watched this movie on my Mits 65" widescreen HDTV and I noticed all kinds of very distracting blocks and other noisy artifacts on this DVD, not all the time, but they were definitely there. For instance, during "Part of Your World," the picture (on that TV) is quite clean and I didn't notice anything really distracting during that song (aside from the terrible sound quality, of course), but almost as soon as the song is over and the movie continues, I noticed horrible blocks and other anomolies in the animation for Sebastien. It was horrible and really took me out of the film.

Like I said though, I haven't watched the DVD projected, so I have no idea how it looks on the "big" screen, but at 65" (sitting 8 feet away), it looked horrible at times and "fine" during some scenes (like Part of Your World).

But if it looked that bad at 65 inches, I can just imagine how much worse it's going to look at 127 inches. I'm scared to even try it!
post #99 of 166

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Wow, some disagreement about the quality of a dvd presentation which is kind of rare around here.





Crawdaddy
post #100 of 166
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And that's what makes these threads at HTF so colorful. I'm always impressed with the way folks manage to express their (different) opinions in these review threads while maintaining respect for everyone else's point of view.

post #101 of 166

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I made my decision not to buy based on 3 things

1. David's Review I can usually Trust him
2. I own the Original DVD
3. The Studio does not Support HD-DVD


I know I'll eventually want this in a HD format, so I can wait on the Double Dip, I'm using this logic for all my purchases from here out.
post #102 of 166

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USA TODAY gave it in todays edition, particularly praising it's "punchier soundtrack".
post #103 of 166
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Naturally.

Nearly all the publications (and web reviews) praised the DEHT mix on Mary Poppins too.

post #104 of 166

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I Have no problems with them doing a DEHT mix, just give us the original ST as well
post #105 of 166

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While I wish that the original Sound track was included I don't think my speakers or reciever are good enough to reproduce what David heard. Maybe disney just needs to upgrade the speakers for their post departmen.

The frustration David describes hearing in the DEHT is the frustration I have in trying to listen to some of the dubs of Miyazaki's films (like Whisper of the Heart or Kiki's Delivery service), all the texture and nuance of the performance is eradicated by the dubs, the English performances are merely adequete but come across as apalling if you know what it could and should sound like (emotionally, not Japanese/English dichotomy but the emotional quality of the performance is evident and superior in the original sound track). It's frustrating to hear the dubs praised so highly when I hear so much depth in the original track.
post #106 of 166

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I just called Disney regarding the audio quality. The rep was very nice about it and made sure she understood exactly what my comments were, and it sounded like they will be forwarded to all the right people. I also mentioned how the packaging makes it look like the original mix is included, but after some checking, I was told that it was a printing mistake.

I encourage anyone who doesn't like the mix to call in too (800-723-4763). Hopefully, at the very least, it will make them less likely to make the same mistake on future releases.
post #107 of 166
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Considering all that was needed to remedy the audio situation was the inclusion of the original mix they had on hand... I think you're right. That shouldn't be a lesson too hard for Disney to learn. After all... they've learned harder lessons than that from past input (ie, OAR 16x9 Muppet Treasure Island)
post #108 of 166

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While I haven't had the chance to give this disc a spin yet and, thus, I do not know if I will share Dave's criticisms, I am certainly all for DVDs including the original audio track for historical, archival purposes (I am not as interested in how good a *fixed* movie can look and sound today, but in how it REALLY looked and sounded when it was produced and released; just give me the best possible audio/video presentation of that).

So, if there is really any chance of Disney fixing that absence, count me in!
post #109 of 166

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Yikes!

My wife, who isn't a tech snob like myself, actually said "This looks awful. What did they do to the colors?" Guess that's why I married her.

This was one of the most disappointing DVDs I've bought in a long time. Between the poor video and tinny audio, it's apparent something went wrong with the production of this DVD. Hopefully the hi-def disc in the future will be treated with care.
post #110 of 166

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Originally Posted by Todd H
Hopefully the hi-def disc in the future will be treated with care.

Which is what angers me the most. Disney is getting by with releasing a subpar quality A/V wise on this on DVD because Joe Q. Sixpack will buy it anyways. Yet Disney knows that for a fact they can't repeat this on HD-DVD and/or Bluray. There is *NO* excuse why in 2006 a subpar release like this is even remotely acceptable much like there is *NO* excuse of releasing three majorly important films with shoddy non-anamorphic transfers ("bonus" material or not).

I'm taking my copy back tommorow and will certainly be letting Disney know how disgusted I am. Between this and the upcoming yet another MAR release for "The Fox And The Hound" is making me wonder if Disney really cares about quality these days at all.
post #111 of 166

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My wife wants to pick this up for our son's b'day this month. I told her the apparent problems with this disk and she just rolled her eyes at me!

"He's six. He doesn't care about all that stuff" was her reply.

Todd, maybe your wife can talk to mine!
post #112 of 166

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Originally Posted by Brian Little
I'm taking my copy back tommorow and will certainly be letting Disney know how disgusted I am. Between this and the upcoming yet another MAR release for "The Fox And The Hound" is making me wonder if Disney really cares about quality these days at all.

I think last year's Treasures wave should have answered that question.

I won't restart the Fox and the Hound aspect ratio debate.
post #113 of 166

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Originally Posted by MatthewA
I think last year's Treasures wave should have answered that question.

I missed out on that. Can someone point me to where I can find out what happened?

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I won't restart the Fox and the Hound aspect ratio debate.

Neither will I. Disney lost my sale just on that fact. Enough said.
post #114 of 166

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Originally Posted by Brian Little
I missed out on that. Can someone point me to where I can find out what happened?

most glaringly, on the Disney Rarities set, all the widescreen material was presented letterboxed, not anamorphic.

There were also complaints about the quality of the transfers of other shorts, with artifacts that made them look like they were remastered from video sources (dot crawl, etc.)
post #115 of 166

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i've pre-ordered the dvd last month and after reading davids review i wanted to cancel it but amazon already shipped. nothing i can do about it

anyway, i still have the original dvd and i'm gonna make my own movie only dvd for this film, by adding the original audio from the old dvd to new video.

question: since the new mulan dvd also has only the new mix, does it also have problems compared to the original mix?
post #116 of 166

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I don't recall any complaints about the Mulan audio. Don't forget though that Mulan's audio is much more modern than TLM's, so there was probably less gimmicking done to the audio to create the "DEHT" track
post #117 of 166

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I think I'll rent this, just because I'm dying to see The Little Match Girl, but since TLMG is not 16:9 encoded, I probably won't buy.
post #118 of 166

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David,

Congratulations and best of luck on the new review job. Things won't be the same around here.

-Reagan
post #119 of 166

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Eric,

THANK YOU for hearing what I'm hearing. Your description is EXACTLY like what I'm experiencing... in sharp contast to the 5.1 mix on the original DVD and LD 5.1/2.0!
I did not like the original DVD or LD 5.1 mix as it sounded like there had been some heavy processing, not unlike what you described aside from the directional wierdness. I much preferred the PCM pro-logic mix with its noticeably improved fidelity. The same goes for Beauty and the Beast's original PCM pro-logic mix on laserdisc versus the 5.1 mix found on the DVD.

I haven't listened all that critically to the new DVD yet.

Regards,
post #120 of 166

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Originally Posted by EnricoE
question: since the new mulan dvd also has only the new mix, does it also have problems compared to the original mix?

Mulan didn't have a "Disney Enhanced Home Theater Mix"

According to David's review here, the mix is outstanding. I could be wrong, but to my ears and from everything I've read, the mix on the newer Mulan DVD is virtually the same as the original mix.
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