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post #31 of 62
10/26/06 at 8:31am

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Gord, while you're reading this thread, answer me why Fox has been so lax in opening its vaults for vintage shows!
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post #32 of 62
10/26/06 at 8:42am

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
Gord, while you're reading this thread, answer me why Fox has been so lax in opening its vaults for vintage shows!

Fox has been busy living of it's acquisitions from other producers.

One possible reason for ignoring their vintage shows is that many were never remastered for domestic or export use. If you had access to the earlier days of the Foxnet national feed, they were still using battered 16mm prints at a time when most studios were well along in their film-to-tape remastering projects. Considering that Fox appears to view back library releases as risky, they are likely even less inclined to release material that has the added cost of remastering from scratch.
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post #33 of 62
10/26/06 at 9:13am

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As I said before, I saw Season One of "The Big Valley" for $19.99 at WalMart, which made me not want to pass it up. To increase sales, the price of buying a season should be lowered, not raised -- didn't Fox learn that from their Mary Tyler Moore experience?
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post #34 of 62
10/26/06 at 9:27am

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
As I said before, I saw Season One of "The Big Valley" for $19.99 at WalMart, which made me not want to pass it up. To increase sales, the price of buying a season should be lowered, not raised -- didn't Fox learn that from their Mary Tyler Moore experience?


Well the walmart price was a chain wide mistake on their part that they never corrected, most sold it for around $27 for 30 episodes. So they lowered the MSRP from $39 to $29, so taken discounts into account we will get half the episodes for $10 less, not sure how this will boost the sales as now both sets will be $10 more
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post #35 of 62
10/26/06 at 9:58am

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff
As I said before, I saw Season One of "The Big Valley" for $19.99 at WalMart, which made me not want to pass it up. To increase sales, the price of buying a season should be lowered, not raised -- didn't Fox learn that from their Mary Tyler Moore experience?

They are hoping to boost sales with the 29.99 list vs. the 39.99 list and if sales were not good enough then they need to increase the $ per unit sold in order to make a profit. They will be getting 59.98 a season this way. This is better than if they just abandoned the series due to lack of sales. At least they are trying. Mary Tyler Moore was different because they abandoned the special features that drove the cost of the 1st season up.
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post #36 of 62
10/26/06 at 10:09am

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Too many quotes here that I agree with to "paste" quotes. Gary O's Sig says it all for me. I'll pay the bucks for these classic TV/DVD's but we're at the mercy of the "rest of" the buying public, it seems, and/or the decision-makers at the studios.

I've been thinking the same thing, about finally getting a DVR and making my own collection from the Starz channels. I was about to do that for another series that recently was released on DVD at the same time Starz was airing the series ("Time Tunnel"), but right before I was about to get the DVR, Fox released that series in grand fashion (outstanding xfrs and great extras). The BV xfrs are great quality as well. I'd guess that's why most here want to buy the studio releases.

Jeff "There's just not enough of us 'Boomers out there among the buying public, it seems" W.
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post #37 of 62
10/26/06 at 10:30am

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Originally Posted by Bob Hug
Ethan, I couldn't agree with you more. The fact of the matter is that this practice of splitting seasons is not new and not limited to Fox. Image Entertainment did this a few years back with the entire "Combat!" series which I happily purchased as it was among my "most wanted" series. Image later released the series in a single box set, but there's no way that I would have been able to purchase "Combat!" in one full swoop. The last sentence of your comments really sums it up best for me.

Right, Bob. Same here for Combat!. I could have bought the entire set later but at the time the single-season V1/2 sets were being released we didn't know for certain if there would be a series-set pack available. Since this was also one of my "must-have's", I bought the sets as they were released. Same goes for Big Valley. At the time S1 was released, I had a feeling that this was going to happen with this series. Nothing to go on, just a hunch. I wasn't surprised when Gord posted the update on BV. I'll buy whatever volume or half-season that's released. As Ethan said, "It's getting the eps on DVD that counts". Just a guess, but it may be that BV sales were low because of the many years it was run in syndication. That's a shame, since the eps that I watched locally were really "butchererd" badly for syndication.
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post #38 of 62
10/26/06 at 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
I STRONGLY disagree, Michael- Fox is the all-time worst of the majors! They have so many great shows in their vaults that they have yet to do anything about while they keep repackaging previously-released shows like Buffy and X-Files. What happened to the rest of Malcolm in the Middle? And where's the rest of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea? Remember how many years it took between seasons 1 & 2 of Mary Tyler Moore?

And where's:

Batman
Peyton Place
The Green Hornet
Room 222
Burke's Law
Honey West
Dobie Gillis
Bracken's World
Adventures In Paradise
Judd For The Defense?

I rest my case.


Let's not forget:

Bus Stop
Five Fingers
Broken Arrow
My Friend Flicka
Hong Kong
Follow the Sun
Twelve O'Clock High
The Long Hot Summer
Blue Light
The Loner
The Monroes
Felony Squad
Julia
Journey to the Unknown
Nanny and the Professor
Ghost and Mrs. Muir
James at 15
The Paper Chase

And the MTM shows they own:

Rhoda
Phyllis
Doc
The Tony Randall Show
The Betty White Show
Lou Grant
WKRP in Cincinnati

And the Four Star shows:

Richard Diamond
The Detectives
Target: The Corrupters
Dick Powell Show
Saints and Sinners
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post #39 of 62
10/26/06 at 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by Jeff Willis
I've been thinking the same thing, about finally getting a DVR and making my own collection from the Starz channels. I was about to do that for another series that recently was released on DVD at the same time Starz was airing the series ("Time Tunnel"), but right before I was about to get the DVR, Fox released that series in grand fashion (outstanding xfrs and great extras). The BV xfrs are great quality as well. I'd guess that's why most here want to buy the studio releases.

Jeff "There's just not enough of us 'Boomers out there among the buying public, it seems" W.


That's what I've been doing. At least I have them complete and great quality. If it comes out I'll buy it and give the discs to a friend. At 30 cents apiece for high quality, Japanese made Taiyo-Yuden discs, I think I can afford to be on the safe side.
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post #40 of 62
10/26/06 at 1:10pm

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Originally Posted by Michael Alden
That's what I've been doing. At least I have them complete and great quality. If it comes out I'll buy it and give the discs to a friend. At 30 cents apiece for high quality, Japanese made Taiyo-Yuden discs, I think I can afford to be on the safe side.

I think that's what I'm gonna do. I'll check the channel and see where they are in their broadcasting, and as soon as they hit the midway point of season 2 I'll add the channel to my Direct TV package and start recording. I've always regretted not doing the same thing with the Starz Westerns Channel a few years ago when they were running the LONE RANGER. I don't want to let another show get away from me.

Gary "and those Taiyo-Yuden discs are definitely the way to go - I use them alot myself" O.
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post #41 of 62
10/26/06 at 3:38pm

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Originally Posted by Michael Alden
That's what I've been doing. At least I have them complete and great quality. If it comes out I'll buy it and give the discs to a friend. At 30 cents apiece for high quality, Japanese made Taiyo-Yuden discs, I think I can afford to be on the safe side.

Those of us with access to all of this Fox library material have moved on and started doing it ourselves. I'm not banking on the great Fox taking care of us.
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post #42 of 62
10/27/06 at 6:56am
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I for one will be buying this set when it arrives!! My very favorite western series..

Danny~
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post #43 of 62
10/27/06 at 7:26am

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The Bottom Line is a Full season of BV is worth the $40 that it will be with discounts. I'm buying
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post #44 of 62
10/27/06 at 9:17am

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
Gord, while you're reading this thread, answer me why Fox has been so lax in opening its vaults for vintage shows!

It's not selling. They can make more money off a new show than an old show, so they're putting their resources where they can see the biggest return. From what I've heard we may not see any more NYPD Blue or Hill Street Blues due to poor sales of the sets. Classic TV is a harder sell because some people haven't heard of the shows, or if they've heard the title they may not know what it's about, and so they wouldn't buy it. I've discovered many, many interesting shows since starting the website, but I wouldn't have purchased them on my own.

With that said, I expect we'll see more classic shows released as the studios get used to earning less money on TV sets. The expected profits are lower now, which makes some of these shows more viable.

Gord
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post #45 of 62
10/27/06 at 10:00am

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Originally Posted by Gord Lacey
It's not selling. They can make more money off a new show than an old show, so they're putting their resources where they can see the biggest return. From what I've heard we may not see any more NYPD Blue or Hill Street Blues due to poor sales of the sets. Classic TV is a harder sell because some people haven't heard of the shows, or if they've heard the title they may not know what it's about, and so they wouldn't buy it. I've discovered many, many interesting shows since starting the website, but I wouldn't have purchased them on my own.

With that said, I expect we'll see more classic shows released as the studios get used to earning less money on TV sets. The expected profits are lower now, which makes some of these shows more viable.

Gord


Not getting any more HSB's now that would really stink
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post #46 of 62
10/27/06 at 10:20am

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Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa
The Bottom Line is a Full season of BV is worth the $40 that it will be with discounts. I'm buying

Agreed!
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post #47 of 62
10/27/06 at 10:37am

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Originally Posted by Gord Lacey
Classic TV is a harder sell because some people haven't heard of the shows, or if they've heard the title they may not know what it's about, and so they wouldn't buy it.


Like what shows haven't people heard of? Hill Street Blues? C'mon. I'm not buying it. In this day and age with 500 channels I find it hard to believe that popular shows from previous decades aren't known to viewers. If you were a kid in the 80s, as opposed to the 60s, you got to see Dennis the Menace, Donna Reed, Dobie Gillis, Patty Duke, My Three Sons, Route 66, I Spy, Make Room for Daddy, Ann Sothern, Private Secretary and more on Nick at Nite. CBN ran Bachelor Father, My Little Margie, Love That Bob, Wagon Train, Farmer's Daughter, Here Come the Brides, Bill Cosby Show and many more. I mean yeah, if you're like 15 now, then no, you weren't around. But leaving out the children, and by that I mean pretty much anyone under 30, you've had access to the same shows as us older folks.
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post #48 of 62
10/27/06 at 11:00am

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Well, thanks for getting back to me, Gord. Fox could try to drum up interest in its vintage shows if they were to be released at discount prices or even lease the DVD rights to some of their older shows to independent companies like Anchor Bay, MPI and Image. Someday there should be a premium classic TV channel without commercials- kinda like Turner Classic Movies, but instead of films from the Warner/Turner vault, we'll see newly remastered, uncut episodes of classic shows without ads- the promise of 'TVLand' carried to the nth degree.

Some of the premium channels owned by Encore are already showing uncut shows along with films on their schedules. I believe Encore Westerns is showing newly-printed episodes of Alias Smith & Jones and The Big Valley along with feature films. If Fox were to do a premium channel that would exploit its TV show vault the way Fox Movie Channel uses its feature film vault, it would generate more interest in these shows and easily pave the way to more DVD releases.
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post #49 of 62
10/28/06 at 4:33am

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Well if we all buy this dvd, we won't have to DVR things off Starz, because if it sells, they'll probably release the rest of the series. I think we're all in agreement here that we're gonna buy it; and I for one can't wait!
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post #50 of 62
10/28/06 at 9:09am

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They are currently in the last season of Big Valley on Encore westerns. I for one am going to DVR the ones I don't have and buy the sets as they come out. This is a great show!!
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post #51 of 62
10/30/06 at 10:57am

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Curious as to how everyone's doing with this set...it looks I'll need to return the 2nd set for an exchange due to defects (intermittent artifacts, pixtels, etc). The 1st returned set had an ep with the "skips/freezes" sickness. I bought the set from Amazon so, no hassle in the exchange...free postage....outside the 30-day purchase time, no issue.
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post #52 of 62
10/30/06 at 11:10am

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Originally Posted by Jeff Willis
Curious as to how everyone's doing with this set...it looks I'll need to return the 2nd set for an exchange due to defects (intermittent artifacts, pixtels, etc). The 1st returned set had an ep with the "skips/freezes" sickness. I bought the set from Amazon so, no hassle in the exchange...free postage....outside the 30-day purchase time, no issue.

Jeff, I had no issues with the set other than one early episode that froze. When I reloaded the DVD, it played fine and there were no other issues that I had with the set which has become, somewhat surprisingly, one of my favorite TV-on-DVD releases for 2006. I hadn't seen BV in ages, and the first season stories were consistently engaging.
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post #53 of 62
11/11/06 at 5:43am

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You can now pre-order this title on Amazon for 27.99. It lists a release date of January 30th, 2007.

Thought you all would like to know!
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post #54 of 62
11/30/06 at 11:30am

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I saw the box art and that has to be an early version. Why is Heath (Lee Majors) pictured twice? Where is Jared (Richard Long)? I hope that this gets corrected.
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post #55 of 62
12/1/06 at 5:19am

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At first glance, I thought the same thing, too. But look again, isn't that Richard Long in the front?
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post #56 of 62
12/1/06 at 9:00am

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No, it's Lee Majors in Jared Barkley's clothes. That's what you get when you photoshop and don't think about what you are doing.

And if you feel the need to photoshop, fine--there probably aren't enough suitable cast photos. But must one make it appear so obviously photoshopped? The Barkleys look like their situated a hundred feet above the eponymous "Valley".

I'm also perturbed about the price--the Amazon reviewers have nailed it.
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post #57 of 62
9/18/09 at 8:48am
So I take it this show is DEAD on more releases? It isn't like there are a lot of seasons. But I was thinking Bonanza has a following behind it but 14 Seasons! When they get that entire series released we could all be dead.

I would very much like more Big Valley but half season usually kills a shows sales even more. The publis is a lot more intelligent with these studio practices then the think. Really sad.
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post #58 of 62
9/18/09 at 9:11am
Of the many shows I've collected and seen stalled/abandoned - and believe me they are numerous - I'd say this one is as dead as dead can be.  I see absolutely no evidence that Fox plans on picking this one back up anytime soon.  Heck, I have more hope for future releases of LEAVE IT TO BEAVER than I do for BIG VALLEY, and LITB has been sitting dead in the water for quite some time.  But I keep thinking that show is so iconic that it's got to pop back up at some point.  With BIG VALLEY though, I just don't trust Fox to do right by it so my hopes for future releases are really low.

Gary "just my opinion, I don't have any insider knowledge about the status of BV or LITB other than what I see - which unfortunately is nothing at the moment" O.
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post #59 of 62
9/18/09 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Gary OS View Post  Heck, I have more hope for future releases of LEAVE IT TO BEAVER than I do for BIG VALLEY, and LITB has been sitting dead in the water for quite some time.  But I keep thinking that show is so iconic that it's got to pop back up at some point.  With BIG VALLEY though, I just don't trust Fox to do right by it so my hopes for future releases are really low.
 
Gary, I do certainly believe that "Leave It To Beaver" will be released at some point because like you say it is "So Iconic!!!! I can't see how it 'Couldn't Be Released' in it's 'Entirety' in the near future. I know that Jerry Mathers is going to be on Oprah soon among other guests as well, since I happened to walk in on a Promo for the show, but unfortunately I didn't see the whole thing. So I am not sure if it is today or next week! Sorry about that!!!! If I find out, I'll post again.
Update: Jerry Mathers is introduced by Oprah Winfrey on Monday's September 21, 2009 Oprah Show. It is an episode where Oprah goes back in time to the 1960's.
Edited by Greg2356 - 9/20/09 at 10:51pm
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post #60 of 62
9/18/09 at 10:32am
Well, I'm hoping for an outfit like Shout! Factory to take it over to complete the run.  I've heard that a movie remake of the Barkley saga is planned, so hopefully Fox or another company will pick up the DVD releases.
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