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About 4 million years B.C. a sentinel-monolith is planted by ETs near a tribe of ape-men…

(it was decided to use Austrolopithecus Afarensis instead of Neanderthal, that is ape-men rather than man-apes due to problems with the make-up of the body-hair of the actors)

….in Africa.

(they used still photographs taken in Namibia, Africa, used as projections for the scene “Dawn of Man” on a 100 feet long and 40 feet tall screen)

In certain moments of the film the monolith crosses at 90º degree angle with the moons of Jupiter. The monolith is Egyptian god Osiris’ phallus and we can see Sirius “dog” star as well. This is about the resurrection of Osiris in the form of Horus.

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In the whole movie, Kubrick wanted to show evolution maybe takes place suddenly and not by gradually step by step procedure, but abruptly. The underlying phenomenology is jumping scenes creating the illusion of movement.

In the first light of the prehistoric dawn on the second day, a tall, black, rectangular monolithic slab (THE FIRST MONOLITH), with an eerie humming sound - symbolic of the religious/spiritual unknown - materializes in the midst of their den. The massive artificial monolith, in contrast to its natural surroundings, stands in a shallow depression in the rocks where the man-apes gather around a water hole. [In Arthur Clarke's novel, the mysterious monolithic stone slab is a technological machine belonging to aliens in space, one of hundreds of such monoliths sent to Earth to test, teach and transform the apes into higher-order, intelligent beings.] The unusual, out-of-place object with straight-edges causes them to be alarmed and they react nervously. But then they approach it cautiously, drawn to its color, form, and smooth surface. The leader of the clan of man-apes is the first to reach out fearfully and hypnotically for the black object. [The image of 'reaching out' with an extended finger was directly borrowed by Kubrick from the famous painting found in Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel artwork -- of Man extending his finger to touch God's hand. The same imagery was utilized by Spielberg for his film Et the Extraterrestrial. Touching the Monolith approximates the Biblical equivalent of eating the forbidden fruit of Knowledge.] His boldness encourages the rest of the group to gather around. In a mute, primitive, but poetic moment, they herd around it and huddle by it, just as another celestial alignment or configuration occurs. With the mysterious monolith in the foreground, the glowing Sun rises over the black slab, directly beneath the crescent of the Moon.

Yes, the monolith indeed influenced in subconscious level the leader of the apes. It was given like a toy and then afterwards removed. The hominid –triggered by the very presence of the monolith- has a thought coming to his mind: the killing of a tapir that eventually will lead him to become conscious carnivorous –no longer vegetarian- and the fearless leader of a tribe against the other rivals. A tool that now can be used against the leopard and other predators to defend his own family when the females have to nurture their own babies.

Four million years of human evolution are compressed into 1/24th of a second in the most original and impressive narrative ellipsis as the film jump-cuts from the thrown bone jumped into the air (used by the ape not just as a tool but as a weapon) to a nuclear weapons platform orbiting the earth. The director is saying history is meaningless because everything is just a 1+1=2 consequence of that very beginning and even at the peak of human evolution, this time Homo Sapiens is still at his dawn. Man transported to the future looses control of tools in space, without gravity. The floating pen is like the bone thrown by the ape. The master of the earth is like a child in space.

The film is showing a military cover-up and in one moment the sunlight for the first time in millions of years is hitting the monolith (nicknamed TYCHO ) on the moon’s Sea of Tranquility, exactly like the other monolith seen by the apes millions of years before. The alignment of planets or the lunar eclipse happens at the very time the monolith gives off its signal to Jupiter where another huge monolith 2 kilometers long with the same math proportions 1 by 4 by 9, the squares of 1-2-3 will be found 9 years later, when astronauts are sent to Jupiter to investigate.

The monolith was supposed to be a tetrahedron (4 triangular surfaces of a pyramid). A tetrahedron is the building block of 3D that reminds us the black Kaaba and the missing cornerstone of the Great Pyramid, the pyramidion, the so-called container of creation. In fact they constructed the tetrahedron with PERSPEX (Plexiglas) 12 feet tall. It was difficult and very expensive to do because nobody ever built something that big before. It took an eternity to be done and polished. It looked greenish glass 2 feet thick but Kubrick rejected it because it wasn’t clear enough.

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Finally they did 14 rectangular monoliths with the same math proportions but made of wood. Kubrick the paranoid perfectionist rejected all the ones with imperfections and the people had to handle them with gloves not to stain them with human fingerprints. They had to use air blasts to keep dust off them and whenever there was minimal error re-spray of black paint was required.

When the monolith is on the moon, man is not so fearful as the ape millions of years before but they are shocked when the thing sent a signal to Jupiter and the monolith is impenetrable.
z A hyperdimensional explanation of the anomalous motion of the Giant Red Spot on the planet Jupiter with variations in longitude and latitude -- not the result of gravity or tidal actions by the moons of Jupiter, but due to the lever (the “r”) of angular momentum.
z Hyperdimensional astrology, where variations in energy output from planets would be due to the constantly changing hyperdimensional stress due to their relative interactions, and variability in orbits. The “changing interactive stresses in the ‘boundary between hyperspace and real space’ (in the Hyperdimensional Model) now also seem to be the answer to the mysterious ‘storms’ that, from time to time, have suddenly appeared in the atmospheres of several of the outer planets. The virtual ‘disappearance,’ in the late 80’s, of Jupiter’s Great Red Spot is one remarkable example;
Saturn’s abrupt production of a major planetary ‘event,’ photographed by the Hubble Space Telescope in 1994 as a brilliant cloud erupting at 19.5 degrees N. (where else?!), is yet another.”

z Variability of solar phenomena -- such as solar flares, coronal disturbances, mass ejections -- in terms of the sunspot cycle -- 11 years (or closer to 20 for the complete solar cycle). The observation of short-wave radio communications and their connection to the sunspot cycle, and to the motions of the major planets of the solar system, the latter an astrological correlation between the orbits of all the planets (but especially, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune), and major radio-disturbing eruptions on the Sun! What had been “rediscovered was nothing short of a ‘Hyperdimensional Astrology’ -- the ultimate, very ancient, now highly demonstrable angular momentum foundations behind the real influences of the Sun and planets on our lives.” The research also noted that when Jupiter and Saturn were spaced by 120 degrees [an astrological trine -- interpreted as an excellent aspect] -- and solar activity was at a maximum! -- radio signals averaged of far higher quality for the year than when Jupiter and Saturn were at 180 degrees [an astrological opposition -- interpreted as challenging], and there had been a considerable decline in solar activity! In other words, the average quality of radio signals followed the cycle between Jupiter and Saturn, rather than the sunspot cycle!!

(The astronauts are on an immense spaceship named Discovery many miles from Earth - its shape is similar to the skeletal bone tossed into the air by the man-ape. [To carry the reproductive analogies further, the spacecraft resembles a half-developed fetus floating in the amniotic fluid of space. Even some of the astronauts are hibernating in pods ready to be born - or awakened.] An antenna with an AE35 unit, is mounted in the middle of the gigantic ship, pointed at Earth to maintain communication)

(Moonscape –40 feet square miniature- made of water-soluble clay was created but didn’t translate well cinematically though it was almost identical to what was found in the moon unless, of course astronauts never went to the moon and that hoax was perpetrated by Kubrick himself. He rejected that and used jagged terrain with mountains and cliffs to have a dramatic environment but the shooting was actually animated STILL photos of that)
(The spaceships were designed by draftsman and specialist in rocketry who worked for NASA, Harry Lange who used to work with nazi Werner Von Braun who knew about mysticism. We have to remember the idea for the film was based upon “The Sentinel”, thought by Clarke more than a decade before men went –allegedly- to the Moon. So, the real modern spaceships were influenced by that movie and some of the special effects team were lately used by George Lucas in his Star Wars. Kubrick was the real pioneer in that sense. He was never satisfied and wanted everything perfect and had no limits in the budget. Stuntman, for example, was suspended by a wire harness at his OWN center of gravity to the effect of weightlessness in zero gravity)


Inside the Discovery, we see HAL-9000 as the brain system and controller of the ship. The trip is as monotonous as it should be in reality. Through HAL’s eyes man are as boring and dull creatures, sleeping and virtually “dead”…

(when sleeping through the journey while in hibernation)

….existing just as tools to keep the ship alive…like the bone-weapon of the ape millions of years ago. HAL can disregard them as mere tools. The name HAL reminds us the IBM computer system used to identify and kill Jews (Kubrick himself was a Jew) during II World War. H is the letter prior to I, A is prior to B and L before M. HAL's name was actually taken from an acronym and derived from the words Heuristic and ALgorithmic - two basic types of learning systems. Originally, HAL was to be named Athena and to possess a female voice but that was solved in 2010 Space Odyssey when we listen Dr. Chandra’s computer SAL-9000 with female voice. HAL seems more human than the boring and cold astronauts. It’s about the mechanization of human and humanization of machines. HAL is likable and sympathetic mainly because its voice, actually the one who did the voice of the computer was Douglas Rain.

There’s a sequence when HAL is playing chess with the astronaut, a game of “hibernation” like the rest of the astronauts sleeping. HAL has baited Frank into moving his queen over into HAL’s queen rook area. Frank’s knight has been baited by HAL’s pawns from king side of the board to the queen side. Hence, queen and knight out of the way. That’s exactly what HAL is doing with the rest of the crew hibernating. HAL baits both Frank and Dave out of the ship with a minor problem and then kills the rest of the crew.
After HAL warns Frank that he has checkmated himself, Frank after only a brief pause, assumes that HAL is right and resigns. [Human fallibility and failings are demonstrated with Frank's loss and abdication to the machine. HAL, however, foreshadowing his future errors, should have said 'Queen to Bishop Six,' not three - he used the wrong notational viewpoint to describe the moves.]
·Queen to Bishop Six
·Bishop takes Queen
·Knight takes Bishop
·Checkmate...
HAL wins the chess game over Poole - foreshadowing Poole's death - and possibly Bowman's 'immortality'. [The game is a recreation of one of the most brilliant chess games ever played, known universally as "The Immortal Game" - that occurred between Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseritzky in London in 1851. It was also used in the film Bladerunner in the game between Tyrell and Sebastian.]

Just like the beginning of the film, when the leopard sitting over the carcass of a zebra with GLOWING EYES (maybe because the sun setting), HAL’s own glowing RED eye shows the computer is the real predator sitting over the carcasses of the dead crew members in Discovery. Also there’s esoteric meaning Freemasons like Kubrick knew. It’s the ALL-SEEING eye of Horus. Nothing escapes from HAL’s vision. It’s like the eye on the Great Pyramid or the Tower in Lord of the Rings or the unique RED eye glowing in Arnold Schwarzenegger as Terminator, The Rise of the Machines.

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"HAL". Something like Highly Advanced Lifeform, right?

The answer is given in black and white in Arthur C. Clarke's book of "2001: A Space Odyssey", Chapter 16, which is titled "HAL"
Clarke writes:
"Hal Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer, no less) was a masterwork of the third computer breakthrough."
Hal is commonly written as HAL, and in the film we only see it as "HAL 9000". This implies that three words are involved, as in IBM.
H.A.L. is just I.B.M. shifted one letter to the left.


IBM did indeed provide advice in the early stages of the film and their logo did originally appear in a number of shots; however when they realized that the computer in "2001: A Space Odyssey" was going to go around the Solar System killing people they withdrew on the grounds that (to coin a turn of phrase or two) the kind of people who would still buy computers after that were not the kind of people they wanted as customers. There were even reports that IBM's chiefs instructed their staff to ignore the movie.
Stanley Kubrick (a Jew himself) subconsciously hit on the name because of his feelings towards IBM. Their main focus years later (in 1997) was on the much- publicized chess match between IBM's Deep Blue computer and world champion Gary Kasparov. The fact is Kubrick and Clarke predicted all kind of games before they were done with years anticipation. IBM computers were used to identify and kill Jews in II World War holocaust.

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/readers.php


At the time, a snappy three-letter acronym would probably have been considered convincing, and this was a computer, after all, so some similarity to IBM would not have gone amiss. Most other computers in the mid- sixties had distinctly un- snappy names. I mean, Clarke could have called Hal HPAC... but somehow it wouldn't have been quite the same. They chose for good reasons. Later on Clarke wanted to change the number but because of $ involved in the process he left it HAL. In case any of you ever read Clarke's "The Lost Words of 2001" you will read his confession neither nor Kubrick knew about the connection between IBM with HAL until it was too late to change that. But as I said before even in chapter 16 of his 2001 Space Odyssey he admitted the name is related with Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer. What's that? The name of the laboratories that produced HAL! Do you remember what were the LAST WORDS SPOKEN BY HAL? The word "fact" which were the first words ever spoken by IBM computer. Who's lying and why? The whole thing was a message given only for the ones who know better. Years later when 2010 was to be produced they wanted to introduce a "joke" saying they wanted in Dr. Chandra scene admitting they wanted to perpetuate the rumor. But they didn't put the joke in the scene either. Maybe Clarke wasn’t aware but I distrust he could know all what Kubrick understood or not. As Freemason one of the obligations is remain silent. These are codes to be understood.
Starchild in position of making silence.

Astronauts Dave and Frank attempt to talk out of ear-shot of HAL, under the pretense of checking a faulty transmitter in C pod. They retreat to one of the sound-proofed, sealed pods (where they know the computer cannot hear them) and discuss HAL's judgment, thereby 'alienating' the technological member of their crew. They face each other, one of the first times in the film, to conspiratorially discuss their feelings about HAL's recent apparent malfunction - they believe that he has become unreliable and irrational. Through their entire conversation, they warily keep glancing back at HAL through the pod's window. They do not realize that HAL is not out of visual eye-shot. In the silence, HAL can perniciously read their quickly-moving lips with his red eye through the pod's viewport. That fact is marvelously communicated in the film by rapid cross-editing between their moving lips/mouths and the ominous red eye. [Like a spoiled child that has been caught doing something monstrously wrong, HAL vengefully proceeds to destroy the occupants of the spaceship by disconnecting them - to cover up any evidence of his own error.] In 2010 Space Odyssey is explained HAL became paranoid –the technical name being H. Möbius loop- because he was ordered to lie to the astronauts and wasn’t created to lie.

Computers don’t need to breath while the astronaut scene when he is breathing takes 3 minutes long. Man looses control of his tools but uses the primitive ape brain (ingenuity and courage) with the most simple of his tools when he needs to kill HAL by annihilation of its memory when the computer gets back to its childhood and its memories are erased like in a lobotomy. Astronaut uses a screwdriver. In that moment man breaks his interdependence with the tool (something he didn’t do since his ancestral hominid) but remains alone in space like a fish out of the water. Bowman changes the rules of survival against the programmed computer super-machine by using his unique, human 'tool' of intelligence to inventively outwit HAL - in a life and death game of strategy that will allow him to evolve to the next level. In an exciting, courageous sequence, Bowman opens the emergency hatch door. He parks his pod next to the open emergency entrance. Then, using the explosive bolts on the pod's hatch (normally to speedily eject someone out in an emergency), he explodes or ejects himself from the pod's hatch back into the vacuum of the double-doored airlock chamber. He flies right at the camera into the airless tunnel of the Discovery after the explosion, and then in frenzied, frantic desperation closes the airlock chamber's outside door - all in total silence. He then reaches for the oxygen release mechanism and fills the chamber with oxygen - and miraculously survives. [This is another startling image of reproductive birth.] Retaliating for HAL's evil deeds, Dave (now with his helmet on) angrily and determinedly proceeds to the computer's reddish-toned "brain room." He is genuinely upset and for the first time in the film expresses his emotional feelings.

Astronaut Dave Bowman remains alone after his companion co-pilot Frank Poole is murdered by HAL. Dave is like Ulises (Odysseus), going far away from home, facing odd things before getting back home/earth. His journey makes him unrecognizable –like Ulises-, he will be the wisest because he was the bravest.

The idea was to make Dave trying to touch the immense monolith near Jupiter and realizing the mirror kind of image showed nothing there, he was supposed to jump into the Stargate but that part wasn’t satisfactory for Kubrick. “My God is full of stars”, he said. The stars within the monolith and a vortex are seen in 2010 Space Odyssey. On his way into infinity through alien solar systems, he moves through complex planes of multi-colored grids and rectangles, and digital readouts. Views of deep space are intercut with extreme close-ups of Bowman's facial features. An extreme close-up of his dilated eye reveals that has absorbed blue and yellow-tinted patterns from the universe that he has become a part of - he blinks his eye and more patterns and plasmas of color flash before him. There are explosions of nebula, swirling gases, bursting constellations, bright stars, blazing skies, a giant reproductive image of a swimming sperm, and tracking shots of expressionistic, wildly colorful and desolate landscapes with seven diamond-shaped objects floating above. With a final flickering blink of Bowman's eye, his eye returns to more normal colors and he enters a new realm of physical reality, although he appears to have gone through an epileptic seizure.

(The lines when space-time bends go backwards towards the future. Cosmic explosions were a combo of colored paints being dropped into table-sized tin of black ink and banana oil –stinky- shot at high speed and in reverse; alien landscapes were done mismatching color of aerial location in Scottish Hebrides and Monument Valley and Northern Arizona)

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(Since the tetrahedron couldn’t be used in the monolith, Kubrick used 7 octahedrons changing colors and forms passing space-time bending at speed of light. That is an initiation that overloads Dave with psychedelic experience and hitting like a black hole until the scene jumps into the next step of evolution)

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He appears into an incongruous 1700s French-style Louis XVI Baroque hotel suite. This is like a 4 Dimensional cage for the Ets to observe the human being, like a lab. The Ets are using a room made with elements of his own memory to be familiar with. Voices are laughing at Dave. We witness Dave’s Last Supper.

(Kubrick wanted to show Ets in the film and tried several things: a thin and distorted Giacometty sort of sculpture, an alien that was like a light and vaporous giant insect or light Christmas Tree or jellyfish and light humanoids and even something like a disappearing entity pretty much like Peter Gabriel’s video when someone glowing seems to walk in complete darkness before a similar glowing canvas in the song “Sledgehammer)

Many things were thought to be added like telephone guide and Bibles with absolutely no words on them, etc. The viewer watches the room and immediately at subconscious level perceives something undetected at first glance, something alien. Like a prison there are neither doors nor windows. There’s a strange luminosity. Light is coming up from the floor!

(The floor was made up of 3-foot squares pf Perspex each one with 5K lamp underneath, it was hot like an oven)

The room itself is also a metaphor of human body as a container. The wine glass breaks but wine remains. Bread and wine are sacramental elements in this scene. The body is cast aside, the spirit remains. Kubrick, as Jewish, is teaching us the Jewish tradition of breaking the glass at a wedding ceremony, a symbol of great change occurring, something wonderful about to happen. It’s no clear if Bowman sees himself many times or other Bowmans failed attempts to make a “new” Bowman. Again, the jumping scenes mean leaps of evolution that could happen abruptly in a second flat or millions of years. Space-time means nothing apparently. Each time Dave is getting older and older, almost 120 years old as we see from the wrinkles made up of latex.
The embryo nearly-born foetus of the Starchild moves his eyes…

(Actually, they moved mechanically)
….in position of Freemason silence before he passes the Moon, getting back to earth. It’s Bowman’s re-encarnation. When he sees the monolith as an old man lying on bed, he finally makes a gesture of comprehension, he’s aware his consciousness created his own jail.

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Monolith is like a hyperspace book made of stone, like the 10 Commandments and Torah-Bible Code that can transform into scrolls, books, CD or even seen by computer with the help of optic fibers and electricity. Kubrick himself used the same math proportions of the monolith in the frame of the film on wide-screen Cinerama format projected in 1968. Is his initiation and the ones who saw it on the big screen at the movie theatres at that time. Lucky me!
Let’s remember Babylon king Nebuchadenezzar’s “statue” to be worshipped as State Idol was a bit like this monolith. In essence the military force was hiding the evidence of this device to the world to misuse it for evil purposes. When in the film it’s mentioned the “cover up” everybody agrees nodding. The episode of this “statue” in Daniel 3:1 in Hebrew letters has also the mathematical value of 4662 which is 7 times the number of the beast-kings-states of the world, 666. Daniel 3:1 provides the height of the statue and diameter but is lacking one dimension. It’s too tall for that diameter so it’s believed it was a 2 Dimensional golden image carved on stone.


1) The "monoliths" in the movie appear for 666 seconds. The time between the first appearance and final disappearance of each of the four "monoliths'," the four times added together is 666 seconds.

2) The number of camera shots starting from "The Dawn of Man" (the first shot after the opening credits) to "The End" (the last shot of the closing credits) is 666.

3) The running time of the movie is 666 in two different ways. The running time of the film in seconds, from the beginning of the "Overture" to the end of the "Exit Music" (total exhibition time), is equal to the number of moon orbits contained in 666 years (8903). The running time of the film in seconds, from the beginning of the MGM lion logo to the fade-out of the story, is equal to the number of moon phases contained in 666 years (8237). Everything before and after the movie proper, that is, the "Overture," end credits, and "Exit Music" times, adds up to 666 seconds.

4) For an "added bonus," the director Stanley Kubrick was reported to have died 666 days before the year 2001, on March 7, 1999.

The music chosen for the film is esoteric and needs a special comment but let me say it goes along with the Egyptian magic knowledge of sacred geometry and vertical alignments.

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http://members.tripod.com/~odyssey_2001/the_story.htm

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Brasilia, Brazil capital city was built by Freemason president Juscelino Kubitschek and architect Oscar Niemeyer to mimic Akenaton Egyptian temples. The reason to make crystalline glass pyramid in front of Louvre Museum is esoteric and for the same reason both France and USA brought heavy huge Egyptian obelisks into their cities. What is above is below. Ezekiel 4 mentions how the prophet had to make a sort of voodoo using his own persona and miniature of Jerusalem city using the proper scale and determined number of days to create some kind of magic in terms of space & time, so is no surprise European Union is attempting unification replacement theocracy with neo-Babel tower inspired in 16th Century Brueghel’s painting (The Loiuse Weiss Building) that looks unfinished like ancient Babilu stargate under the logo “many tongues, one voice” and the Starsbourg using 12 USA flags but inverted as in the shape of pentagrams.

http://www.biblelight.net/Tower-of-Babel.htm

It’s no surprise America Marine headquarters in Iraq belonged to ancient Babylon king Nebuchadnezer which were re-built by Hussein. This is just to use Ishtar’s White House, Statue of Mars, seal of Ishtar, Liberty Statue and coins, etc, etc, etc, magic knowledge.
That’s one of the real reasons of the killing and tortures, a nazi holocaust. And for the same reason San Diego Naval base was constructed to imitate the Nazi swastik symbol:
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Hence, is no surprise THE MONOLITH LOOKS LIKE UNITED NATIONS BUILDING because that building was financed by nazi Rockefeller family and the “masons” use math knowledge they know better than the mob. And we just can’t ignore the symbolism of this NASA 'ritual' is very thick.

For one thing, it relates not only to 2001: A Space Odyssey but also to its sequel '2010: The Year We Make Contact' (or 'Odyssey Two') in which Jupiter, with the help of the monolith, becomes a sun - called Lucifer. In fact this sun is a brown dwarf star. And in real life the Galileo probe was actually carrying 49 ¼ pounds plutonium, causing some buzz about a possible nuclear reaction turning Jupiter into the second sun of the solar system! Unlike nuclear fission bombs, the power of an H-bomb or thermonuclear weapon has no practical limit, -- it can be made as powerful as you want, by adding more deuterium/tritium to the second stage. What is interesting is this deuterium (D) heavy isotope of hydrogen on Jupiter. D has disappeared from the Sun as a result of nuclear reactions in the solar interior. Because no such reactions occur on Jupiter, the ratio of deuterium to hydrogen there should be identical to the ratio of those isotopes in the cloud of interstellar gas and dust that collapsed to form the solar system 4.6 billion years ago. Since deuterium was made primarily in the "big bang" that has been postulated to have begun the expansion of the universe, an accurate measurement of deuterium/hydrogen on Jupiter would allow the calibration of expansion models. An engineer named Jacco van der Worp claimed that, plunging into Jupiter’s deep and increasingly dense atmosphere, the on-board Galileo electrical power supply – a set of 144 plutonium-238 fuel pellets, arrayed in two large canister devices called “RTGs” (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators – see image and schematic, below) – would ultimately “implode”; that the plutonium Galileo carried would ultimately collapse in upon itself under the enormous pressures of Jupiter’s overwhelming atmosphere—.So maybe there was a Hiroshima & Nagasaki Jovian holocaust after all, September (that month), 2003: http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki...r-timecode.htm


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Larger than the earth Jovian polar dark spot:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ot_020313.html

http://www.enterprisemission.com/NukingJupiter.html

This is a Satanic plan Arthur Clark knew because of a letter from someone who knew better – NASA’s Dr. Walter Jastrow- which leads to the novel 3001 Space Odyssey. Wanna briefly know about it and its relationship with Shoemaker-Levy comet and the assassination (?) of the one who discover the comet, Eugene Shoemaker? Be my guests:

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/text/000txt23x.htm


I don’t think is needed to talk about 11 code and Twin World Trade Center Towers, do I?
In 2010 Space Odyssey I observed the first number appearing in the ship’s computer is the 33, a well known number used by Freemasons. In the cover of a magazine, when they are talking about the war between USA and Russia about Central America circumstances we see both the faces of Kubrick and Clark as if they were the presidents.
It was very interesting the idea of the monolith multiplying itself like a virus and eating the planet (in fact adding mass to the planet), altering the chemistry and fading the color to create something like an EYE that eventually leads to the implosion of the planet converting it into the second smaller and more dense sun in our Milky Way. John von Neumann, relying on A. Turing's works, interested himself on the theory of self-reproductive automata and worked on the conception of a self-reproductive machine, the "kinematon". Such a machine was supposed to be able to reproduce any machine described in its programs, including a copy of itself. The most famous of his machines is the monolith of the series "2001 Space Odyssey". To change Jupiter into a star, a first monolith self-reproduces, as well as its descendants, the population so increases exponentially to quickly reach the size necessary to realize such a gigantic task.
The prior discovery of chlorophyll in Europa even though covered with 100 km thick shield of ice. This is also relevant since Arthur Clarke also wrote “The Snow of Olympus”:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/tem-0001.html

http://www.enterprisemission.com/europa5.html

It was interesting to watch Discovery at Lagrange Point, the Jupiter-Io system where the gravity action is neutralized regarding the different bodies of a mechanical system. Discovery was covered with sulfur and we know Io (discovered in 1610 by Galileo) is formed by volcanic components rich in sulfur. Clarke himself appears in that film as the old man feeding doves in front of White House and the plot was made through daily contact with the director Peter Hyams (who also did Capricorn one in 1978 and Outland in 1981) by computers (in that time!). Clark was at Sri Lanka at that time.
This made me look for information about the RED SPOT in Jupiter and found it could be a vortex anticyclone in the same place for 3 centuries!
http://www.grantchronicles.com/jupitermk.htm

Tetrahedrons inside a sphere probably a way to stored higher energies from higher dimensions that cascade down and emerge into our dimension at 19.5 degree latitude on rotating, spherical, liquid bodies. Maybe this oddity is happening not only in Jupiter as we can see here:

http://www.mufor.org/plananom.htm

http://www.mufor.org/hyperd.htm

I said the monolith behaves like Bible Code but is like a computer. In that sense reminds me of another great film called “TRON”. Tron is clearly an allegory on the Christian gospel. The Users = God; note the expression, "My user." There are bad programs, who are dupes of Master Control = atheists dupes of Satan. "Sark" is the Greek root for flesh, one of the enemies of the Christian.
"The concept of the Users struck him as so basic, so intrinsic" = the existence of God is axiomatic. A program is made in the image of the user.
"Our spirit remains in every program" = God breathed into Adam the breath of life".- Flynn becomes a program in the Computer World and saves the computer world from the MCP = Christ becomes a man and saves the world from Satan.
There is a waterfall and stream = the Holy Spirit Who gives power;
- the disk = the Bible, the word of God, instrument of warfare (Sword of the Spirit) and instrument of receiving the Holy Spirit's power; they drink using the disk.
The Communication Bean = prayer
Flynn brings Yori back to life = Christ raising the dead.
Sark is apparently by the MCP brought back to life with a horrible wound = the Beast in Revelation with an apparent resurrection.
The MCP is possibly a former "Guardian" = Cherub? (Satan the "anointed cherub that covered; Ezek 28; Isaiah 14)
"a feeling like that is the laser lab . . . digitized" = Flynn's sacrifice of self to save the computer world = the cross of Christ; Flynn leaves the computer to go back to the outside world = the ascension. And there is a new creation.
The movie is a very clever allegory -- of course it does not match perfectly the gospel. Those who do not know the Bible are doomed to poverty in understanding the arts.
The old sci-fi plot would have an evil computer trying to take over the world. In Tron, the computer is neutral, having evil and good programs in it -- so far as I know, an original approach. There is a nice little allusion to the movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still,": "GORT, KLAATU BARADA NIKTO!"
Yet, I think there are some indicators the film was an odyssey to Mars, like the 4-faced Moon shuttle called ARIES (meaning Mars) and some other coincidences:
http://mars-news.de/life/2001.html
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I was forgetting something important: the very original format used for the film at the movie theatres had the exact math proportions of the monolith, that was Kubrick’s own monolith-canvas.
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Jack?????
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I don't think someone is capable to understand this topic if replies just 4 minutes after I posted it. Surely it takes a while just to read the whole thing and click on each link. Intelligent readers would deserve intelligente response as well.
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I'm sorry, but is that an insult?
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I don't think someone is capable to understand this topic if replies just 4 minutes after I posted it.
I don't think all the time in the world would help anyone understand this post, or the other one.

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Welcome to the forum Karlo. You have a very interesting post that I have not yet had time to assimilate, so I am not making a comment as to its content, but it most certainly will be of interest when I have time to read it and consider its contents. But so you are aware, there are a couple of issues as to your post and why members have responded as they did—most of these, as a new member, that you will probably not be aware.

**Removed, as I forgot which area I was in when replying**

Tino’s immediate reply was a call to Jack Briggs, who is so taken with Kubrick’s movie, that his signature is a shot from 2001. Now this in itself does not qualify Jack as an expert, but the countless times he has seen this film and the overall number and quality of his posts on this movie and others, gives him a deal of respect from many members of this forum as to his knowledge of movies in general and this one in particular. I am one of those members who holds Jack’s opinion to be well worth reading, and I expect that Tino and Holadem are of similar views.

You might like to know before you begin casting aspersions as to other members ability to comprehend your post, I at least am very respectful of Tino’s views on movies and always read his posts carefully. There are many very knowledgeable people here who are able to comment with intelligence and insight as to film and film criticism. Tino is one.

We of course hope that you will be another, but to suggest that someone has not given due consideration to your post, when what he is actually doing is asking another member to comment, is a bit curious.

BTW, Holadem too, who has seen a movie or two, is a smart guy. I’ll read your post with consideration, but if he can’t understand it, it may well be too deep for me. Then again I’m no expert on 2001, only a simple guy who likes movies.
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Thanks very much for the kind words Lew. And right back at ya.
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Now, I love 2001, and discussion about said movie, but while skimming above I saw these...interesting parts:

"Hence, is no surprise THE MONOLITH LOOKS LIKE UNITED NATIONS BUILDING because that building was financed by nazi Rockefeller family and the “masons” use math knowledge they know better than the mob." ( )

"I don’t think is needed to talk about 11 code and Twin World Trade Center Towers, do I?"

"
Wanna briefly know about it and its relationship with Shoemaker-Levy comet and the assassination (?) of the one who discover the comet, Eugene Shoemaker?"


Sorry, but to misquote the great Dean Venture, "that's a crazy person's post".
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I am aware some people would love my posts, others will ignore it and consider it boring and others will hate it and consider lunatic. The fact is I'm writing after doing my research and I'm here to share whether people like it or not. I enjoy a good criticism but not words like "I don't think all the time in the world would help anyone understand this post, or the other one". What is that supposed to mean? A free constructive "argument" lacking any intelligent say to add or what? I will allow eventual readers to judge those comments and mine.
What I post about UN building is a fact. Rockefeller nazi family invested $ to build that just as other buldings with svastik symbols, etc, have been built. I could mention the Israel Parliament with Freemason pyramid as well, etc, so this is not an exception. The very word "mason" and the symbol of the compass are in fact symbols of sacred architecture and for the same reason the math proportions are important in construction and 2001 and 2010 monoliths which was supposed to be a pyramid as I explained with details. Only someone uncapable of reading English won't understand it. Now if reading is an exercise of patience and some people are too lazy to do that (in an interview they said the American average guy spends 9 years in front of his tv when reaching 60 years old) there's nothing I can do to avoid that. I know just a small % of readers will actually take their preciousssss time to read me in extended message. I write for them and not the rest of the 99.9 %. They love to discuss "response" with monosyllabic stummering about..let's say....the usual.
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Tetrahedrons inside a sphere probably a way to stored higher energies from higher dimensions that cascade down and emerge into our dimension at 19.5 degree latitude on rotating, spherical, liquid bodies. Maybe this oddity is happening not only in Jupiter as we can see here:

Please see the "Teleporters are not possible", the "Hydrogen: Is it a fuel source", the "Ghosts and Aliens", and heck I'll throw in the "Global Warming" thread for good measure. All available in the After Hours Lounge.
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Tino: I didn't insult you. I said people should at least read carefully before making any reply so quick otherwise what is the meaning of a response "Jack????"
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Jeff, this thing about math is implicit in Kubrick's films and I will be even bolder: it was known with at least 50 years anticipation. It was important also the names and alignement and position of the stars and moons. All what I wrote is in the context of the monolith and the shots as made by Kubrick. This was also known in Jack Kirb Harvey Comic book series and cadete Corbet if you care to read carefully:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/forbidden-planet.htm


http://www.enterprisemission.com/corbett.htm

But in saying this I regret I have to tell you all secrets about why Brian Di Palma changed the Et face of Cydonia, for example, in the film Mission Mars and the meaning of all that film; I'll have to explain why the 5th plot was changed in Total Recall (which is a film about Mars as well) and why the poster showed a huge pyramid and proper alignment that has nothing to do with the plot of the film! Are you willing to do that or am I gonna bore you?
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I am aware some people would love my posts, others will ignore it and consider it boring and others will hate it and consider lunatic. The fact is I'm writing after doing my research and I'm here to share whether people like it or not. I enjoy a good criticism but not words like "I don't think all the time in the world would help anyone understand this post, or the other one". What is that supposed to mean? A free constructive "argument" lacking any intelligent say to add or what? I will allow eventual readers to judge those comments and mine.
What I post about UN building is a fact. Rockefeller nazi family invested $ to build that just as other buldings with svastik symbols, etc, have been built. I could mention the Israel Parliament with Freemason pyramid as well, etc, so this is not an exception. The very word "mason" and the symbol of the compass are in fact symbols of sacred architecture and for the same reason the math proportions are important in construction and 2001 and 2010 monoliths which was supposed to be a pyramid as I explained with details. Only someone uncapable of reading English won't understand it. Now if reading is an exercise of patience and some people are too lazy to do that (in an interview they said the American average guy spends 9 years in front of his tv when reaching 60 years old) there's nothing I can do to avoid that. I know just a small % of readers will actually take their preciousssss time to read me in extended message. I write for them and not the rest of the 99.9 %. They love to discuss "response" with monosyllabic stummering about..let's say....the usual.

Sir, I would suggest you:

(A) Hang out here a while and maybe take part in a few threads before shotgunning the forum with meandering, freeform posts such as these. There is a certain give and take in the discussions here and vomiting volumes of randomly linked information is a little too much "give" for a first post.

and

(B) Not be so quick to assume those that show incredulity are mocking you. They may just be commenting on the fact that you have posted something that is both incoherent and incomprehensible to us plebes in the cheap seats. Maybe you should try again with a more subtle approach, so we peons are better able to follow your brilliance. Dumb it down, if you will.
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Are you willing to do that or am I gonna bore you?


Trust me, you can never bore me. Just don't use the phrase "Western scientific thought is incapable of understanding the concept" or "Scientists know nothing" and we'll get along fine.
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Thanks for the tip but I do repeat, I don't write for peons. If people make a criticism considering something incomprehensible or incoherent is because they didn't invest time to read and consider to write in extended way is an agressive procedure. It's not and I wrote in logical basis step by step. People who critize should also be more specific and less focus in general statements in order to indicate WHAT and WHY they consider the things incoherent in order to give time for a proper response and explain whatever it is to be explained. People can also do a long and detailed and extended or not reply and I'm not stopping anyone to do that. I don't have to convince each one of you of anything. If you think is incoherent for you, okey dokey, so let it be. So, is there something else you wish to add to the topic or are you gonna write endless messages addresed about me and my way of writing instead of the film discussed? So, I'm just replying your suggestion with another suggestion. If another response will focus on that instead of the topic itself I will understand WHY maybe is incoherent for you because usually people who can't comprehend will INSIST in discussing about the writer and his style rather than the theme. For them this is not digestable because they probably don't understand many things. Let it be. If you have something else to add about the topic I will answer. If that's not the case, excuse if I use my exercise of NOT replying. After all, what would be the purpose of discussing with someone like me who has no understanding habilities except flattering me with all that attention? Right? So, I will move and write another extended topic just for the ones who consider the topic worthy.
Thanks for your kind words.
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It's amazing, and sad, how incredibly condescending you are being.

Too bad, because with an attitide such as that, you won't last long here. And "here" is a great place to be.
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BTW, those who show incredulity are not stupid but they are welcomed to discuss what or why their skepticism in the context as written by me in this topic. It's better in order to understand them better and then a possible reply.
When I mentioned the Western thought is uncapable to understand things I did it with no offense but a fact. The exceptions confirm the rule and not the opposite. I'm refering to educational system and in the proper context of what I wrote. Yet, that maybe a phrase that can be misunderstood but has nothing to do with incredulity or skepticism either. So, I am all ears regarding the specific things anyone has to say about my post if someone desires to write something. Only thing I can do is answer the best I can. This is no church but we can discuss about many things.
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Tino: when you wrote: "How incredibly condescending you are being. Too bad, because with an attitide such as that, you won't last long here" . My question is what are you refering to? Don't be touchy just because I said it'd be better if you at least read before posting. If you felt that was an insult I wonder what's your concept of insult! I mean: how can I discuss whatever with someone who felt "insulted" for nothing?
Some people are saying what I post was incomprehensible and incoherent and hence I could prefer to believe they are saying I am incoherent or stupid and yet don't feel offended by that statement. I allow them to think whatever of me and I'm not offending them. Now, if a reasonable and detailed criticism is made let's go for it and you're welcomed as well.
If there's no other specific reply about the thread I just won't waste my energy in this sort of chit chat.
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Tino: I didn't insult you. I said people should at least read carefully before making any reply so quick otherwise what is the meaning of a response "Jack????"

For someone who is chastizing others for not reading posts, did you read Lew Crippens? If you did, than the post quoted would not have been necessarry.
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Karlo, Matt Czyz has raised issues with three of your points already. Why not address them?
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What am I referring to??? Do you even notice the tone of your replies??
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For someone who is chastizing others for not reading posts, did you read Lew Crippens? If you did, than the post quoted would not have been necessarry.

He doesn't want to read anything that is not praise. People like him just jump from forum to forum, looking for captive audiences for their ill-conceived conspiracy theories. They don't want to know what you think, they want you to agree with them.
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Oye chico Ricardo, qué guarandinga ésa que tú tá hablando desde Venezuela? Who says I came here for your aproval? When you mention this "ill-conceived conspiracy theories" maybe you need to do a research and specify what is ill and WHY. Tino: I do have omnivorous apetite to read everything. But none knows everything. So, if you lead me to what you mean when you mention "Lew Crippens" and what do you want me to read, I will. No problem with that. Now, is it about my style of post, my "tone" (don't have any idea what are you talking about) or the thread? What is exactly "my tone" cos your tone about my extended post and what you consider incromprehensible or incoherent can be witnessed with no problem!
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What are you babbling about?? Exactly where did I even mention your post????


As to what I mean by Lew Crippen..oh I don't know, mayby it's post#7 in this thread by LEW CRIPPEN.
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Your conclusions exhibit enormous leaps of logic, being as they are built on connections and links that don't stand up to scrutiny, to say nothing of your reading into the imagery of the film, which is itself (your reading, not the film) based on esoteric "theories" that have less chance of being proven than I do of sprouting wings and flying to Jupiter. De eso es de lo que estoy hablando.
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Do the Time Cube Guy and Dr. Alex Abian know about these terribly important revelations?

Regards,

Joe
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What are you babbling about?? Exactly where did I even mention your post????


As to what I mean by Lew Crippen..oh I don't know, mayby it's post#7 in this thread by LEW CRIPPEN.
I figure that this is a new record Tino--I've been put on ignore even before I made a post.
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Crap, my bucket is empty, I need to get a refill. Can you guys pause for a few minutes?
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