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before TerminaTor & Jurassic P. there was WesTworld, etc  

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It’s a fact TERMINATOR was a tailor-made role for Arnold Schwarzenegger yet people require the triggering of the memory regarding the FIRST TERMINATOR who was also the FIRST MAN DRESSED IN BLACK, a Siberian-Swiss-Mongolian gypsy guitar player for a short time addicted to opium & circus trapeze artist (who had to quit this activity due to a serious accident), the actor who was also RAMSES II and played an important part in Karamazov Brothers and a Siamese King. I’m referring, of course, to bald actor Yul Brynner born in Vladivostok (whose real name was Taidje Khan) and the film which was made 11 YEARS before Terminator (directed by James F. Cameron in 1984) with the idea of the same writer Michael Critchon.

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...to&PhotoID=107


As a matter of fact the film I’m talking about –WESTWORLD (written & directed by Michael Crichton in 1973)- was a combination of yet other of his writings: JURASSIC PARK. Compare the photos:

http://mielofon.com/actor/yul_brynner/7.shtml


http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...to&PhotoID=100

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...oto&PhotoID=98


And you know what? Arnold is involved in the project of the re-making about next year. The director is the Hindu guy who did the film THE CELL which is a TOTAL RECALL trip to the mind of schizophrenic assassin. As if it were “scheduled” in anticipation to the events on 9/11 BLADE RUNNER was made by Ridley Scott 9 YEARS after Westworld (1982). Just like Arnold’s friend Sly Stallone was involved in the scene quoting Arnold in DEMOLITION MAN as being future USA president due to the fact he changed Amendment (which he pretends to do in real life in our present) it seems Sly will also appear in the remaking of WESTWORLD or Arnold himself.

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...to&PhotoID=104

Yet, there’s gonna be a twist of things because either of them this time won’t be the killing-machine Executioner but will be chased by Bruce Willis (the 3 of them were partners in business as well) who starred in ARMAGGEDON. It seems bald Bruce Willis will do the android gunslinger role performed before by Yul Brynner. Isn’t it interesting Arnold was a Russian guy in RED HEAT and bore the Egyptian name HAPI in Around the World in 80 Days when Yul was a Russian guy and was Egyptian pharaoh who indeed traveled around the world as a performer?

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...oto&PhotoID=95

Yul was the proper person to play Taras Bulba and he was a polyglot since he could speak Russian, French and English. In that film, Argentinian cavalry was used to perform the spectacular Cossacks riding. Taras Bulba is a movie about the Ukrainian Cossacks and not Russian Cossacks! The Ukrainian land was independent and not part of Czarist Russia in the 16th century, the time the movie portrays. The final battle with the Polish cavalry being forced over the cliff wasn't so good compared with the virtual reality of films nowadays. They also used miniatures of men and horses falling! In this film he’s wearing Russian pigtail just as he was wearing the Egyptian tail in The Ten Commandments:

http://www.geocities.com/syrametneil...lba/Taras4.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/syrametneil...lba/Taras1.jpg

As Egyptian pharaoh he was wearing the leopard skin as part of the clothing and we see the jaguar skins all over his film KINGS OF THE SUN being a MAYAN warrior:

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...to&PhotoID=111

http://mielofon.com/actor/yul_brynner/6.shtml

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.co...eis-do-sol.asp

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/ne...07_22775_1.jpg

http://www.schnitt.de/_images/tvtip/..._der_sonne.jpg

http://garaje.ya.com/cineposter/los%...0del%20sol.JPG

It’s interesting the Mexican Olmecas wore Egyptian headdress as well!

http://the2001face.50megs.com/Cydonia/page5.html

Author Maurice Cotterell wrote these sun worshippers used to represent the sunspots precisely with the jaguar ands leopard spots or young cub lions. Probably in Peru and Bolivia or some Indians in North America used the cougar skin for the same reason. Author Zecharia Sitchin recognized priests from all those civilizations shared the same practice. Amazingly Yul’s forefathers were tiger hunters!

Never mind Yul was 5’10” tall (1.78 m which is the same height shared by Sly Stallone) and Arnie is 10 cm taller (6’2” or 1.88 m compared with Tom Cruise who’s 1.70 m), Yul was very effective as cowboy-Terminator.

Even more intriguing is the fact WESTWORLD was a combo between Terminator and Jurassic Park (Critchon’s idea), a sort of Disneyland that went wrong in spite of the propaganda “where nothing can go wrong” (where nothing can go wrong…nothing can go wrong…nothing can go wrong, nhotnig can go wnrog…niohtng can go worng….no……) and that was the first film introducing real computers and concept of virus affecting them.

http://www.impawards.com/1973/westworld_ver2.html

Just like Arnold, Yul Brynner was unstoppable android dressed like himself in the classic western THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN ( 7 ) and his character, the “good” Chris (Christ abbreviation) ADAMS (Arnold was ADAM Gibson in the film SIXTH DAY which is the day of creation of Adam according to the Bible and God rested in 7th Day!) or in Adios Sabata, etc. Yul Brynner is riveting, combining blunt talk and characteristic balletic grace with the elongated strides of the American cowboy hand in hand with the pale horse elegant gallop. A strange bright coming from his eyes which could stare the things with infrared camera. In other words, Yul Brynner was an android or cyborg bad TWIN version of himself in that film and also in ADIOS SABATA. A clone. In that western there was a guy with Polish heritage and son of a coal miner, Charles Buchinsky, better known as Charles Bronson. Critchon had his idea visiting NASA and thinking the training of the astronauts transformed them into a sort of robotic people & perhaps he witnessed some kind of accident in Disneyland where satisfaction is always “guaranteed”. Brynner was a good actor, and even playing a machine, his skill is used to great effect. His performance was anything but wooden (unlike the always wooden Arnold in "The Terminator", for instance). When Brynner's robot gunslinger commands "Draw", with the slightest twist at the corner of his mouth, he is completely creepy and scary. Even the way he walks when hunting down Richard Benjamin's character has an element to it that we have rarely seen again. Arnold is excellent as well -dressed in black like Brynner- riding his motorcycle and shooting the rifle with a single hand in TERMINATOR II. It was interesting watching Brynner stalking the guy while we listen "in crescendo" the score like propellers of a chopper and then when gunslinger enters the Middle Ages castle we hear the music imitating broken machines... just immediately after we heard his steps approaching.

More than this. The rumor says the new WESTWORD won’t have the same old environment merely but something more. It will have LUNARWORLD, JURASSIC WORLD & AQUAWORLD. In the original film we see a reconstruction of the Middle Ages era and Roman times orgies. It will be interesting to see if we’re gonna see Roman statues remembering APOLO or ARES gods. Perhaps I need to lead you to the trailer of the old film and some photos.

Yul’s face is splashed with acid (an effect that combined oil-based make-up with Alka Seltzer) and he got caught on fire in a magnificent stunt sequence. As a subliminal message I see a combination of WATER AND FIRE destruction. I bet something will go wrong specifically in those scenarios of the film giving the DAY AFTER TOMORROW sort of message.

In TOTAL RECALL we see the poster shows celestial alignment and a huge pyramid which are not part of the plot which is a link between Egypt pyramids, Orion belt 3 Mary stars and 3 giant Martian volcanoes (Tharsis Montes):

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...to&PhotoID=101

Yul Brynner got to the stardom also because of his role as Ramses II pharaoh. The director of the film The Ten Commandments was Cecil B. De Mille and Moses was Charlton Heston who seems to be Mormon and in fact played a Mormon leader in a film with Tom Berenger. When Brynner knew he would be shirtless for most of the film, he began a rigorous weight lifting program because he did not want to be physically overshadowed by Charlton Heston. Cecil B. De Mille was always paying attention to details and it’s interesting the setting of Egyptian hieroglyph with the image of the SERAPHIM/WINGED-SNAKE DRAGON (although the Judaism says the seraphim do have 6 wings and not just a pair and the hidden text in Numbers 21:8, 9 about the nahash nehoshet SINGLE COPPER SNAKE wrapped around a staff connected with Christ as explained in John 3:14 in a private chat with Nicodemus) together with Yul Brynner right here:

http://fotolog.terra.com.ar/pensarnopesa:26

I would like to remind you Genesis 3 snake is not literal reptile but Apocaliptic dragon winged-snake like Chinese dragons. Linguist Michael Heiser is correct explaining the Hebrew noun here is “hanashash” revealing an interdimensional seraphim with feet and hands. Compare with Isaiah 6:1 to 7; 14:29; 30:6. The seraphim had specific place closer to God’s throne compared with the tetramoulon cherubim. It seems due to Satan’s sin his seraphic features were lowered into cherubim humanimal entity. It’s interesting the fossil evidence shows there were feet in the primitive serpents as we see in this photograph:

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...oto&PhotoID=57

2rods of bivalent chromosomes of DNA & “loops” or wings:

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...oto&PhotoID=56

This reminds not only Sitchin’s explanation about the splitting of the chromosomes of parents to beget the HORUS-CHRIST child as we see also in The Book of Dead (The Cosmic Code chapters 5 and 6) but also what was known by shamans:

http://fusionanomaly.net/cosmicserpent.html

http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/supernatural


And again Yul Brynner with the Martian/Pharaoh headdress representing the illumination bursting out of the falcon Horus udjat third eye, because the reptile shape is implicit in several levels within human beings and outside realms as well, the shape of an energy that can be transformed into matter and the opposite:

http://mielofon.com/actor/yul_brynner/6.shtml

http://fotolog.terra.com.br/inca:23

http://fotolog.terra.com.br/inca:24

So, Yul Brynner was a Martian Osiris prototype son of the Martian cherubim!

In the Ten Commandments we see the Avenue of the Sphinxes and I could see the real one when I was in Egypt, illuminated at night. But we didn’t see the cherubim/sphinx painted red neither in that film nor in any other. In the past the bearded statue was like this:

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...oto&PhotoID=73

But who knows if the face was that or was lion-man or like a Negro woman as interpreted by geologist Robert Schoch:

http://www.robertschoch.net/Egyptian...ell%20CT.ht m

He was also bearded Salomon Jew king and wore a wig in a film SALOMON AND SHEBA.

http://www.telefonica.net/web2/micineparaiso/salo31.jpg

It wouldn’t surprise me if whoever hired to make the Westworld 2007 script introduces Martian catastrophes or lunar collisions. In the following site you will see how the Immanuel Velikovsky (the real Dr. Zarkov in Flash Gordon as played by Jew actor Topol in 1980’s campy version) was right about many things but probably confused Venus with Mercury:

http://petragrail.tripod.com/mars.html

Charles Berlitz informed (Mysteries from Forgotten Worlds, chapter XI) Velikovsky’s ideas were right about Venus temperature and orbit in opposite direction compared with other planets, Venus atmosphere composed by carbohydrates and likeness of its surface, electric charges, etc. In 1980’s version among other things we see fragments of the moon falling down on earth and Freemason rituals and logo. Check the Freemason square and compass in one of the characters (Klytus), the torture of Ming’s daughter and CIA ex-nazi members practicing MIND-CONTROL like Dr. Zarkov’s memory erased, project MKULTRA:

http://www.policestateplanning.com/flash.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

Arnold Schwarzenegger was supposed to be in the remake of PLANET OF THE APES in Oliver Stone film but the director dropped the idea when knew Arnie was gonna participate. As we know that classic film was made by the same director –Franklyn J. Schaffner- who did BOYS FROM BRAZIL, where we see Gregory Peck as the Nazi Dr. Menguele ‘angel of death’ who was specialist in CONJOINED (like cherubim) SIAMESE TWINS genetic experiences and maintained his personal troop of DWARFS (Danny de Vito in TWINS? De Vito’s height is 5' (1.52 m). This is amazing considering Yul Brynner played a SIAMESE king. Siamese do have that name because of the oriental features. See photos of some real cases of Siamese mutations this Nazi doctor was trying to produce on purpose and compare with an alien in TOTAL RECALL:

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...to&PhotoID=103

http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20040401.html


http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/jm-angelofdeath.htm


Now, I always though Arnold is the UGLY and more muscular version of Charlton Heston used to be mainly because the features of the face and big teeth and larger than life statue matching-up with his stature, he’s 6’3” (1.90 m or 2 cm taller than Schwarzenegger but 1” or 3 cm shorter than Clint Eastwood who’s 6' 4" or 1.93 m). As a matter of fact in one film we see both “spy” Arnold and Heston working together and Heston was wearing a pirate patch on one of his eyes (ONE-EYED TERMINATOR/PIRATE?). In old version of Planet of the Apes the “explanation” given to the existence of smart apes and stupid men was because of a NUKE HOLOCAUST while in Tim Burton’s version was the GENETIC MANIPULATION which is closer to reality. Certainly there are links here with the hominid face at Cydonia and the combo probable Neanderthal/Cro Magnon features of the Egyptian sphinx as suggested by Anthony West:

http://www.aulis.com/twothirds.htm


In the climax of Planet of the Apes we see Statue of Liberty half-buried in the sand and in the new version we saw Abraham Lincoln statue with chimp features. In both cases the audience is taken by surprise because in the original we were DECEIVED thinking –like Heston- we were in a planet near ORION instead of our own planet and in Burton’s film the ship clock was suggesting indeed the astronaut was GOING BACK ON TIME and yet he landed in future earth or alternative earth. It’s interesting Heston was cast as an old-chimp keeping a gun (he is a well-known defender of using fire arms and 1st Vice-president and elected President of National Rifle Association of America) as a human archeological device while he played a human astronaut in original film and he interpreted 3 presidents in other films. Michael Critchon said the story of Westworld was inspired by the animatronic Abraham Lincoln figure at Disneyland:

http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0133152/S...on,%20Charlton

http://fotolog.terra.com.br/inca:42

Charlton Heston performed the Hebrew God concept in a film with Australian actor who did “Crocodile Dundee” wearing almost the same make-up as Moses representing God himself in The Ten Commandments (compare with the specific mention of this in Exodus 7:1, 2) but he was taught the Egyptian customs and wore their clothes as well:

http://fotolog.terra.com.br/inca:4

http://fotolog.terra.com.mx/inca:5

Heston was offered to play Freemason South American leader Simon Bolivar but he didn’t accept the role. Heston was the epitomized version of the hero in films like Earthquake, The Omega Man, Planet of the Apes, Beneath the Planet of the Apes. As “El Cid” Rodrigo Diaz de Bivar he was a Christian knight fighting against Muslim leaders and also did the same, fighting the Mohamed follower Madhi as British general “China” Gordon; he was the Jew fighting Roman enemy Messala in Ben Hur, a rich Jew transformed by his hate against Roman empire and then converted into Christianity. Spielberg put his hand in animated film Prince of Egypt largely based upon The Ten Commandments and Yul Brynner role but in a scene we see the pharaoh riding side by side the chariot just like Charlton Heston as Ben Hur opposing Stephen Boyd as Mesala in Ben Hur chariot scene. Heston was even Michelangelo sculptor and painter under the contract of the Pope; John the Baptist decapitated by Idumean/Arabian Herod king; he was also an American president not to mention his performances as cowboy, explorer of Inca ruins, fighting killing ants in the jungle, investigator of the curse of a mummy, the guy who faced catastrophes in airplanes or fought back the Japanese in his military uniform in “Midway” battle, etc. It seems the chosen actors represent a prototype on their films. Arnie is not exception but in his case –like Set and Osiris there’s some confusion of identities-, the bad guy –like Cain- is transformed into a good guy. We see this mutation in Terminator II and III and playing Jericho Cane fighting the Antichrist in The End of Days. This is a trick to hide reality just like it happened with Osiris/Cain killer who changed his image converting himself into the god who cared about CROPS. In some cases I think the actors are like puppets who don’t see the irony of their roles. Examples:

The Jew actor Tony Curtis was killed by Jew-Russian actor Kirk Douglas (whose real name is Issur Danielovistch Demsky) in Spartacus (a film in which Kubrick’s hand was there as well), so Kirk very consciously hired Curtis to kill him in The Vikings produced & directed by Kirk himself. Curtis also teamed with Yul Brynner in Taras Bulba and Kirk also worked with Yul Brynner in at least 2 other films. Heston also teamed up with Yul Brynner. Laurence Olivier was the Roman elite individual inviting Curtis into a homosexual affair and was playing a German-Jew Nazi hunter in The Boys of Brazil but at the same time was cast as bald nazi in The Marathon Man chasing Jewish actor Dustin Hoffman. Keanu Reeves was Johnny Nemotic with his brain plugged just like Neo-Buda/Christ in MATRIX where one thing is illusion and other reality. In one scene in The Little Buda playing Siddartha Buda Reeves says he needs to wake up the world because the world is sleeping like in Matrix sort of thing. He was chosen to fight against demons and exorcise people in Constantine while in his real life disaster follows him as personal matrix: his friend, mom, sister, pregnant ex girl friend involved in diseases or accidents. His dad abandoned him. It seems he will be cast to fight Chinese monsters in the new version of Sinbad with the help of the old Hollywood master who did films about mythology and monsters, Harryhausen. Meanwhile his new film is based upon the short story of the same guy who inspired TOTAL RECALL film, I’m talking about Dick’s novel. Laurence Fishburne had the name of the Lord of Dreams, Morpheus and drove the ship called Nebuchadnezar, a Babylon king who asked prophet Daniel to reveal the meaning of his dreams. He also participated in one of Freddy Kruger’s Nightmare on Elm Street and Apocalypse Now where reality seems to be an infernal vision or nightmare.Trailer of Westworld:

http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movie...tml?v_id=53970

Photos of the film:

http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W5.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W12.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W7.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W8.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W5.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W5.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/syrametneil...ld/WWCover.jpg
http://www.moviemarket.co.uk/Photos/P202979_C50108.html

http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/syrametneila/Westworld/W4.jpg

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.co...d-poster03.jpg


SHOOTING WESTWORLD:

http://www.putlearningfirst.com/br/westworldshoot.html

Alka-Seltzer and oil based make-up plus small plastic tubes of smoke were added to Yul’s face. The smoke produced an attack of coughing. That very day Yul’s stomach wasn’t good and he had to take Alka Seltzer. The people were making jokes Yul had Alka Seltzer inside and outside. Eighty % reflectant mirrored tiny silver contact lenses controlled by lighting were used in the robot-characters yet Yul got shot in the eye with wadding from blank cartridge in spite of all precautions. His cornea was scratched and for 2 weeks he couldn’t wear his lenses, tears ran down from one cheek and his injured eye turned bright red from irritation. First time we saw lens like these were on Star Trek tv series:

http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images...th_dehner6.jpg

Later one we have seen them on Chronicles of Riddick and Liam Neeson’s eyes as Henri Ducard in Batman Begins.
See the photo at the bottom left:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/chro...tos.php?page=3


Brynner did his horse riding stunts himself even the loudly dropping flat on his face that made the set to echo in incredible way. In the film you could never suspect Yul was almost 60 years old at the time and he looks fantastic. James Brolin was bitten indeed by the unmilked rattlesnake in spite of the leather and cotton pal protecting his arm under his shirt.
One thing discussed in the forums is in the final scenes the gunslinger couldn't "see" Peter lying on the table because the temperature in the labs had risen to 98 degrees, the techs mentioned that not long before they died, there had been some kind of malfunction with the A/C. With the room temp being the same as body temperature, Peter became invisible to something looking for a heat signature. In that sense we can associate this with Arnold Schwarzenegger covering his body with mud in PREDATOR to dodge his vision and in Predator II the room with ultraviolet light. We watch –almost at the end of Westworld- Yul’s character gets engulfed in flames in a long sequence. D. Ziker (doubling for Yul Brynner) does a huge, lengthy fire gag near the end of this film. The flames go up about 3 meters above his head! Because of the different camera angles. The fire stunt was a single long one, shot with multiple cameras. Even more impressive!

http://www.stuntman.co.nz/Fire08-Westworld.jpg

As if this were not enough, everybody seems to make predictions about 2012 and forgot everything about another Yul Brynner’s performance: THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR before MAD MAX series. The story and fight scenes were balanced just right where one didn't over take the other. Story: New York 2012, the world has gone down the crapper and a plague as wiped out the food supply. The Baron (Von Sydow) and a couple of survivors developed seeds that are resistant against the plague. But Carrot (Smith, just a cool baddie) and his boys are causing some havoc of sorts and the Baron enlist the help of "the Ultimate Warrior" Carson (Brynner as the super-samurai, in the first minutes of the film is shown standing in front of the library square for two days meditating while standing, very atmospheric) to help transport the seeds to a island of the coast of North Carolina with his pregnant daughter Melinda (Joanna Miles, giving a really good performance). Then this eventually leads to a showdown between Carson and Carrot in the New York Subways. People there are successfully experimenting with BREEDING SEEDS which are immune to the plague. Carson and Carrot’s final fight scene is the best in the film and despite only minimal flutters of enthusiasm or excitement in the film’s previous 85 minutes, the final struggle is suprisingly quite (literally) gripping to watch. Things never get into high-gear up until the end with a couple of memorable scenes - one where Brynner has to interrupt a fight to deliver Joanna Miles's baby with his bare hands, and the climactic face-off with William Smith (lead heavy from a number of biker movies) hanging over the edge of a pit where Brynner has to sever his own wrist with an axe - surely the ultimate self-castration symbol for an action hero - to free himself from a steel bolas. You can think in Hannibal Lecter or Terminator II removing his arm to reveal the metal skeleton.

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...oto&PhotoID=97

http://imdb.com/title/tt0073835/

http://www.geocities.com/syrametneil...or/UWCover.jpg

Don’t forget Bill Smith works in that film. Bill Smith has been in at least 150 movies, and guest-starred in practically that many TV shows. Tougher than Arnold he was Conan's father in "Conan the Barbarian," which Max von Sydow was also in, as you may know.

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...oto&PhotoID=94

http://groups.msn.com/metafisico-jud...to&PhotoID=106

My idea of remake would be casting “shaolin” Gordon Liu who was supposed to do Brynner’s role as a super-samurai who removes his hand (like Terminator II or Hannibal Lecter) in The Last Warrior:

http://10kbullets.com/reviews/36th-c...f-shaolin-the/

http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0266697/S...,%20Chia%20Hui

Funeral wagon pulled by mechanical black horses wearing purple, black or blue feathers on their foreheads chasing tourists by gunslinger in a high speed race breaking through Middle Ages sets, etc in a persecution which murders Arnold:

http://imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1052/Mp...th_key=0054047

Some horses torn apart or exploding as a consequence. We can set Arnold shooting Rambo android impersonator as a joke reminding the own gig in The Last Action Hero where in a poster Stallone is Terminator! We can imagine a showdown which includes bald gunslinger and young Clint Eastwood as the Spaguetti western hero and tourists killing both of them. Toby Stephen was the young Clint Eastwood in Space Cowboys although he’s too short (5' 10" = 1.78 m) compared with Eastwood (6' 4" = 1.93 m) nothing a shot seen from a lower angle can’t fix:

http://www.royaltoby.com/index2.html

http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0246460/S...ephens,%20Toby

With the proper haircut and being unshaved like the unnamed squinting gringo wearing a green poncho and chewing and spitting the cigar with the right hat he would be just perfect. While bald gunslinger gets caught on fire & smoke and his black hat and clothes are semi-burned we could watch Eastwood character being the one with the face mask dropping off. Prior to that we see cowboy Yul/Gordon Liu smashing the sets in Egyptianworld area like if it were the sets of The Ten Commandments and Middle Ages scenario. Crowd of people scared stepping on each others and climbing down ladders like in Oddessa massacre scene in Russian film Potemkin Battlefield (mimic in slow motion in The Untouchables stairway scene). Roller coaster falling down upon people like forthcoming Russian film Day Watch. Roman or Russian scenarios burning down to the ground like the set during Gone With the Wind. Clint Eastwood robot throwing “stones” to tourists from selenic landscape in Moonworld set. Seaworld being a chaos and water splashing through broken windows. Gordon Liu as Yul Brynner galloping the pale elegant horse while dressed in black and chasing Arnold Schwarzenegger riding on a motorcycle and also dressed in black as in Terminator II. Gunslinger could steal a shield from Middle Ages scenario and use it later on in a motorcycle like Ed Harris character in Knightriders:

http://www.impawards.com/1981/knightriders_ver2.html
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Re: before TerminaTor & Jurassic P. there was WesTworld, etc

Ooops! Sorry for the big letters, I miscalculated the size. I know it's an extended thing to read and that's why I set the links with many photos to make it more entretaining. Read it step by step if you will in order to digest the whole thing and think about it.
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before TerminaTor & Jurassic P. there was WesTworld, etc


Uhhhh, methinks the "etc" is a wee bit of an understatement.
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Uhhhh, methinks the "etc" is a wee bit of an understatement
Uhhh....the "etc." is the most exhausting post I've ever seen on HTF.
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Uhhh....the "etc." is the most exhausting post I've ever seen on HTF.

Uhh, you haven't seen the one on 2001:ASO yet.
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As if it were “scheduled” in anticipation to the events on 9/11, BLADE RUNNER was made by Ridley Scott 9 YEARS after Westworld (1982).

And I thought your comments in the 2001 thread were ridiculous.
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Re: before TerminaTor & Jurassic P. there was WesTworld, etc

Tell us not only you think is ridiculous but mainly WHAT is ridiculous and WHY in specific terms and perhaps the readers will realize some criticism belong to the area of ridiculous. People who think this is extended post probably have never read a book in their lives and hence their argument maybe weak, general as usual and indeed ridiculous.
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Uhh, you haven't seen the one on 2001:ASO yet.
Now see what you went and made me do? I have to admit that the 2001 post is a doozy too.
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Tell us not only you think is ridiculous but mainly WHAT is ridiculous and WHY in specific terms and perhaps the readers will realize some criticism belong to the area of ridiculous. People who think this is extended post probably have never read a book in their lives and hence their argument maybe weak, general as usual and indeed ridiculous.

He did tell you WHAT is ridiculous. He used a function which may be foreign to you - The quotation. Hence when he does this:


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As if it were “scheduled” in anticipation to the events on 9/11, BLADE RUNNER was made by Ridley Scott 9 YEARS after Westworld (1982).

And then says it is ridiculous, he means that stating "As if it were “scheduled” in anticipation to the events on 9/11, BLADE RUNNER was made by Ridley Scott 9 YEARS after Westworld (1982)" is indeed ridiculous. Why is it ridiculous? If you can't tell right off the bat, there is no argument you are going to accept as proof.

And drop the condescension, it is getting tiring. Using half-assed grammar and spelling while simultaneously accusing people of not ever reading a book is also pretty self-incriminating. Physician, heal thyself.
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Aha! Now the usual comment about grammar lacking anything to add. First of all, consider THY grammar first "getting tiring"... maybe common use but not quite proper of the ING in 2 words, one after the other. Get back to the issue.
I'm talking about all replies are better when they are more specific. Saying: "And then says it is ridiculous, he means that stating "As if it were “scheduled” in anticipation to the events on 9/11, BLADE RUNNER was made by Ridley Scott 9 YEARS after Westworld (1982)" is indeed ridiculous. Why is it ridiculous? If you can't tell right off the bat, there is no argument you are going to accept as proof." What kind of a response is this? Is it ridiculous because somebody says it so and you repeat it? Is that a solid argument? It's clearly not because you did rethorical question of "why" and DIDN'T ANSWER and want me to figure it out!!!!! NO, MR. I regret to inform you the producers know the time is required to do a film and they project everything with anticipation. When they did Flash Gordon the blonde Caucasian all-American-hero was fighting against Ming (a clear name of a Chinese dynasty) emperor from Mongo planet ( which reminds us the Mongolian people) and lemme remind you at that time in 1938 and following years it was chairman MAO TSE TUNG the "emperor" in China. Is no coincidence either director Sommers (who did The Mummy and Van Helsing) will receive the green light to make the remake both of Flash Gordon and When Worlds Collide about 2008 and following years with Spielberg production and $. Is an example of the shedule people ignore and thus will remain skeptical.
In America since the old wars Hollywood has made films about American heroism to trigger their desire to go to battle, including recent Ryan Soldier adventures and you name it. And catastrophism included in Armaggedon, Day After Tomorrow, Dante's Inferno...shall I continue or you didn't pay attention and think is merely "coincidence"? I suppose you think I invented how PENTAGON has its eyes on FOX?

http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Stor...543821,00.html

Is there something else you wanna add?
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Is there something else you wanna add?

Yes. Have your med dosage upped.
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I suppose you think I invented how PENTAGON has its eyes on FOX?
http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Stor...543821,00.html


Fox isn't even mentioned in that article, which was written in....ohmygod...2001! Like the movie! And Sept 11! IT'S ALL CONNECTED!
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Wow...I mean just..Wow.
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Did any of you know R. Hubbard director won his Freemason medal because of his efforts to do Apolo XIII with Tom Hanks one of the most powerful actors n Hollywood and is another coincidence they teamed up to make Da Vinci's Code which is more than Magdalene about the Virgo constellation above the crystal pyramid built by Freemasons? The same theme over and over and over and over ad infinitum?
Of course, people who have not considered how many Freemason astronauts including an OLD Glenn having to get back to space at his age in spite of so many others waiting in line.... would think this is nonsense. But is it really?
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/masonglennshuttle.html
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/nasamason.html
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/masonapollo.html
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/hoag3.html
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/nworel.html
And now these same people would swallow easily NASA's statement about loosing original Apolo XI film while at the same time they are changing the logo about ORION and ARIES names.....These people don't even know WHO was the person who selected the place to land on selenic surface and what is the relationship with National Geographic and some films you see. So, why bother when someone says "ridiculous"? Or when other repeats that? NO WAY, MAN!
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Just caught something else...

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When they did Flash Gordon the blonde Caucasian all-American-hero was fighting against Ming (a clear name of a Chinese dynasty) emperor from Mongo planet ( which reminds us the Mongolian people) and lemme remind you at that time in 1938 and following years it was chairman MAO TSE TUNG the "emperor" in China.

Flash Gordon was created before Mao's rise to power, and the film was made after his death. You're basing your link between the two on nothing.
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Originally Posted by inca

http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Stor...543821,00.html

Is there something else you wanna add?

Nope, you just about covered it. Your intellect and Google ability (not to mention your cut and paste talents) have skewered my feeble intellect. I surrender!! I shall now exile myself to a small room containing nothing but The Elements of Style, The Little Brown Handbook and an iPod Video containing all 7 seasons of The X-Files in .mpg format (even them crappy ones after Mulder left). After refortifying myself with this long sabbatical, I vow to return well armed for battle. Mark my words, oh unworthy foe; I shall vanquish you!! Muuuuhhhaaaaaa!!!
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Did any of you know R. Hubbard director won his Freemason medal because of his efforts to do Apolo XIII with Tom Hanks one of the most powerful actors n Hollywood

"R. Hubbard"?

L. Ron Hubbard was never a director, and died in 1986, nearly a decade before Apollo 13 was made.

RON HOWARD, the man who directed Apollo 13, is indeed alive and well, but I should very much like to see proof of these alleged masonic ties. Surely they can't be hard to find?

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and is another coincidence they teamed up to make Da Vinci's Code which is more than Magdalene about the Virgo constellation above the crystal pyramid built by Freemasons?

Explain, please.
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The article is not mentioning FOX in specific way but it's very clear about the message whether you wanna accept it or not. The message is clear no matter how cynical you get: US GOVERNMENT HAS THE EYES ON FILMS AND MESSAGE IN THEM. I'm mentioning FOX but I include Walt Disney and all the others. So, the irony of comments about my "dosage" won't eliminate this fact nor swallowing the camel and filtering the mosquito ignoring the message but focusing on the name FOX.
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Unbelievable.!
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Little Opie Cunnigham is a Mason!! What's next? Barney Fife is really FBI? Fonzie is a Templar Knight?? Mrs. C a Russian spy? Shortcake the long lost daughter of Aunt Bea and John the Baptist? Floyd the barber a child molester?

Wait . . . that last one is true.
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Did you even read the articled you linked to?

You're starting to remind me of Stephen Lightfoot.
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Yes, you're right, I mispelled the name, I was refering to director Howard indeed. If you search you'll find he's Freemason and received the medals and you can find that. Yes, Flash Gordon was created before but I'm talking about the film and the new Ming is in the person of North Korean dictator. I'll get back later and post more to help you in your skepticism and thanks for your reply. You're starting to answer in intelligent manner this time.
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You're starting to remind me of Stephen Lightfoot.

Didn't he sing The Wreck of The Honey Fitzgerald, a song about the links between Boston's Irish political families and the Illuminati?
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Didn't he sing The Wreck of The Honey Fitzgerald, a song about the links between Boston's Irish political families and the Illuminati?

Yep. Gene Ray played the cowbell on that

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Yes, you're right, I mispelled the name, I was refering to director Howard indeed. If you search you'll find he's Freemason and received the medals and you can find that.


Nope. You made the claim, you must supply the proof.

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Yes, Flash Gordon was created before but I'm talking about the film and the new Ming is in the person of North Korean dictator. I'll get back later and post more to help you in your skepticism and thanks for your reply. You're starting to answer in
intelligent manner this time.

You said Mao, not "North Korean dictator". Are you changing the premise of your argument?
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As we know that classic film was made by the same director –Franklyn J. Schaffner- who did BOYS FROM BRAZIL, where we see Gregory Peck as the Nazi Dr. Menguele ‘angel of death’ who was specialist in CONJOINED (like cherubim) SIAMESE TWINS genetic experiences and maintained his personal troop of DWARFS (Danny de Vito in TWINS? De Vito’s height is 5' (1.52 m). This is amazing considering Yul Brynner played a SIAMESE king. Siamese do have that name because of the oriental features. See photos of some real cases of Siamese mutations this Nazi doctor was trying to produce on purpose and compare with an alien in TOTAL RECALL:

Holy guacamole Batman!! Where so I start?

Mengele did not specialize in siamese twins, he specialized in twins, identical twins to be exact. The only reason he did this is because their genetic signatures (later found to be DNA) are identical. Mengele did try to artificially cojoin a twin pair, once that we know of. He was unsuccessful, but that was hardly his only and certainly not his most barbaric experiment on twins. He did much more cutting off than sewing together, that's for sure

The name "siamese twins" to describe what are actually cojoined twins did not come from the fact the twins have "oriental features". It came from the most famous cojoined twins ever, Chaing and Eng Binker. They starred in PT Barnum's Circus for years and were originally from Thailand (Siam), hence they were billed as "The Siamese Twins". The term stuck and for years was used to describe any pair of cojoined twins. Also, cojoined twins can look normal in every way except their affliction and do not automatically have "oriental features" (don't know where you got that one from).


Finally, I have to ask: What exactly are you trying to prove here? In other words, even if all this BS is true, what the flying flock does it mean???
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OMG! I thought the 2001 thread was going to be a classic! This is even better!
I am so temped to play some Gordon Lightfoot backward to see what message i missed in the 70s. If only i owned any Gordon Lightfoot. Talk about missed opportunities! I do own Westworld on DVD, wonder if i should play that backwards?

This thread also makes me want to revisit some of the fine scripts done by the master ...Ed Wood!
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Finally, I have to ask: What exactly are you trying to prove here? In other words, even if all this BS is true, what the flying flock does it mean???

Like, duh...

The Spanish Steps are actually in Italy. And they were not a gift from Spain, but from France. And Spain's name during Muslim occupation was Al-Andalus. Penélope Cruz is from Spain. Really, do I have to spell it out?

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Oh.....I mean.....holy cow..
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*cue Benny Hill theme*
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