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A late reminder, this weekend is That Which Survives.

Some fun stuff in this 3rd season episode, good Spock lines and his naiveness and steadfast insistance for precision with Lt. Rahda. And the still pretty exciting sequence of Scotty trying to keep the Enterprise from blowing up.

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I hated how Spock acted in That Witch Survives. Its like how he acted during the first of the series.

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I must admit I like the 'Losira' effect (that of the door opening and shutting). When I first saw it, it reminded me of Marty the Martian (from Felix the Cat). I also liked the concept of what had happened to the Kalandans. I would have liked to have learned more about the disease that was produced that eventually killed them off.

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Dont get me wrong, i like the episode. Spock is just the wink link. He is such an idiot in this episode. As an example, when they are thrown light years away, and everyone falls all over the bridge, the lady at the helm asked what happened. Spock (the idiot) said' "the oxcipital portion of my head hit the corner of the chair." Helmsman, "No, what happened to the ship!" He must of said dumb things like this a half dozen times in this episode alone! I can forgive it in the early episodes, they were still feeling around with the character. But by this time, Nimoy must of thought, any day and we will be done with this show.

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Correct. What he should have said was ""the oxcipital portion of my cranial thinking device impacted against the triangular configuration of the relaxing apparatus."






















Seriously, I understand what you're saying. To me, those lines seem very out of character for Spock. Even his delivery is a bit odd in that episode.

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This one looked pretty good. I unfortunately didn't clear some hard drive space, so I only recorded half the episode.

What struck me again was the brilliant color. Losira's purple costume and make-up really popped. An unexpected new CGI effect was when the Kalandan computer hurled the Enterprise 990.7 light years away. The space went black and there was a quick flash of light surrounding the ship's outline. It was subtle, but cool.

The new planet was rendered with a purple atmosphere to match the stage set.

As for Spock's goofy dialogue, you'll be pleased that the syndicated version cut out both Spock's about hitting his head and Scotty's sitting on the warp drive to nurse them.

I really hope we get news about when either new DVD's or BD discs of TOS Remastered will be released! I really want to see the 2nd and 3rd season!

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This weekend aired Is There In Truth No Beauty and Diana Muldaur's second appearance on TOS.

If anyone has not seen the website, trekmovie.com, they've posted screencaps.

I saw this one and as usual, the live action continues to pop! The new colors used on some of the sets of the 3rd season really show through. A few new CGI shots were created, such as a new shot of the Enterprise flying straight into camera at Warp 9!

Marvik's insane take over of the Enterprise that results in the ship flying into an unknown void of space has new CGI effects that match the blue colored lights used on the bridge set. It's an acceptable new effect. Though the original was actually fine. The big surprise was the last shoot of the Enterprise doing a backwards 180 as it leaves another space ship where Miranda and the Medusian Ambassador has transported to. The new ship appears to be an original design extrapolated from existing design elements of known designs that Matt Jeffries had done at the time. That was a nice surprise!

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Very cool.

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It was very cool Lou!

For this weekend, March 29 and 30th, Elaan of Troyius is scheduled to air. So it will be interesting to see if they are able to pull a few fast ones here with the Klingon Battlecruiser and battle sequences.

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I am hoping for the best here. Do you think they will update the Klingon ship to match ST:TMP?

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Why would they update it to match TMP? Do they update the Enterprise to match ST:TMP?

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Because ST:TMP only took place, i think it was, 2 1/2 years after the series ended. According to the timeline anyway. So, of course the Enterprise had not been refitted, because it wasnt in drydock until after the 5 year mission!

They have given the Enterprise much more surface detail than it has ever had. You can see the metal plates on the hull, not unlike how you could see them for TMP.

Who is to say the Klingon ships didnt always look the way they did in TMP. We only got to see them 2 or 3 times, and it was the same design we have always seen.

Jeez, do i sound geek!

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My guess is the Klingon ship will look the way it did in TOS, but with the same degree of plating and detail they added to the Enterprise. I took a quick look at the DVR recordings I have of The Trouble with Tribbles and Day of the Dove. It's hard to tell, but it appears to be the TOS version.

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Just watched it. They did a fine job again. The Klingon ship had almost no detail to it, of corse most of the shots were from a farther distance than the original model shots...go figure. They did add impulse engines to the back of the Klingon ship, just like TMP, but no rear Photon canon. My favorite shot is from the underside of the Enterprise, as the Klingon circles toward her. Well done.

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Elaan of Troyius just aired here. Here are a few screencaps for fun. Wish this station would broadcast in higher definition!

I agree Rick, that lower shot was cool.


Our ghost has materialized.


He's going for our flank!


Keep our number 4 shield to him.


He's starting his run again. (Impulse engines are off here)


Fire photon torpedos!


Direct hit amindship.

Wow, next weekend The Enterprise Incident airs. 16 more episodes to go after that, mostly 3rd season with a few second season and first season. And The Cage will air April 26th.

One repeat of Omega Glory for the July 4th weekend and repeats will air in August to complete all airings on September 6th, 2008 of the remastered series. It will be sad to see these end. It's like watching for the first time in a way.

I wonder what CBS plans to do after September, let stations continue to air these or stop.

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I'm getting mine in HD.

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I'm pretty familiar with Matt Jefferies' Klingon Battlecruiser, and their model is bizarrely inaccurate in the main body (considering the effort they usually go to). I wonder if they intended this to be an alternate design of some kind?

That bridge shot of the torpedo is awesomely similar to a shot from Star Trek VI.

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As I suspected, this weekend's The Enterprise Incident airs, and trekmovie and aicn has preview images of the iconic shot of the Enterprise surrounded by Romulan ships.

Check them out:




That's a Klingon ship!

What? They added a Bird of Prey!

From a CGI modelling point of view, they still couldn't get the form of the bottom of the hull right as you can see above. It's not that hard to model the form, so I don't know why they decided to get close, but not exact.

A thought occurred, I recently re-viewed The Doomsday Machine that Daren Dochterman had done as his independent project to show what he'd do if he was on this project. He chose to add some lighting to the floating debris from the smashed planets that had that 60's greenish lighting. The original shots here of the Kligon ships as Romulan ships had a greenish hue from lighting. Too bad CBS has decided to take a hard line and light everything with a realistic approach. Technically, it makes sense and tries to bring the series into more reality. But TOS has always done things with a stylistic approach to help visually aid the other worldly-ness of Trek at a time when we knew very little about space.

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Thanks for the pics Nelson. I dont mind seeing the Bird of Prey ship. I think its kind of cool, and adds a bit of realism. Just like you wouldnt see a fleet of just battleships in a current military group. But, i also agree with you on the lighting. Interesting observation. Just like the stars were never all white on TOS. They were blue, red, and white.

Looking at the pics again, i see they still have a few red, and blue stars. Maybe they will show up better in HD. Even your pics look better than my crap CW channel that shows Trek.

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Do you notice there are a lot more stars in that starfield than we are used to seeing on Trek-Remastered?

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It is cool that the CBS team do color the stars as was done in TOS, I agree. My CW station is HD capable, but they don't air Trek in HD, just low res too.

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My station airs them in HD. Are some stations showing ST in HD & others not?

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The D7 model is so bad, I can't think of any logical explanation for work that poor. It's not that the shape isn't right really, the structure is there but there aren't enough polygons to show it. Video game models from 5 years ago have more polys than that thing...

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The Enterprise Incident aired this weekend and I thought it was an improvement over what they did for Elaan of Troyius. While the Klingon ship is the same model, warts and all, the choices for the camera angles and motions were improved. The only slight clunker was the way the Enterprise banks as it changes course to enter the Neutral Zone. It wasn't a smooth rotation.

They are using Autodesk Maya and some other Autodesk products to do the CGI effects. I know it can do better. But I also know they've deliberately handicapped themselves so the effects don't look too good or modern.

Regarding the content of the episode, I thought it might be interesting to discuss the genesis of the story. Some here probably know that DC Fontana wrote this as her reaction to the Pueblo Incident where an American spy ship was caught near North Korea in January 1968. As I understand it, the intent of the epside was very different then what was filmed. I believe the idea was the Enterprise was going to get caught spying on the Romulans and then the issue was the moral dilemna of what they were doing. Fontana has stated the story was diluted to a simple action story. Additionally, it was clearer the Clocking Device was an improved version, so that Balance of Terror dosen't seem to be ignored.

What I didn't know was that someone wanted the Spock and Romulan suduction sequence to include passionate kissing where Spock was al over her but that Nimoy and Linville argued against that and that alien's would do it another way. The kissing was not part of Fontana's script either.

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Don't forget to get "Obsessed" this weekend.

The Vampire cloud should be about the main attraction for this remastering. And of course the Enterpise chasing it and firing phsers at the cloud.

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In case you missed Obsession this past weekend, I thought I'd post a montage of images from it.

This is not all that extraordinary an episode. Though the backstory of Garrovick and how his father was Kirk's first commander will likely show up in the new JJ Abrams Trek film coming next year.

The Remastered version had one startling new image at the end that was unexpected, they show the results of the matter/antimatter explosion on the planet as a huge crater that you see as the Enterprise leaves orbit. What a great idea!

The other shots of the cloud look rather good. It had a lively feel to them.

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Nelson,

Those are great images. Thanks a bunch for posting them.

Yeah, and it's somewhat noteworthy for being one of those episodes in which we see a fellow crewman smack his Captain, and the crewman doesn't suffer any consequences for it. I could see Spock getting away with it under the spore influence, but I think Garrovick gets a pass because of the Scotch his father and Kirk drank together many years before.

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Hi Scott- I'm glad you like them.......and someone is still looking!

I had not thought about the happy ending of this episode and no mention of Garrovick striking a superior officer or the dead crewmen. Good point!

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Nelson, i always read your posts. Love the pics too. I was hoping they would show a crater, burn, or something to show the planet had an anti-matter bomb go off.

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Thanks Rick! I know there's still a few who do like you! Thanks for reading. It never occurred to me that they could show a crater after the bomb went off.

I've read posts on another site where they think the remaster has 2 teams doing the effects, the A team and B team. This week was good, the Creature had a life to it and the crater was a nice touch. The Enterprise Incident and Elaan of Troyius looked like two different teams, one had a better result then the other. Or it could have been just the way it worked out with the timing allotted for effects shots and choice of shots to show.

I forgot to mention, next weekend is Mudd's Women. But then most of you who read this probably already have Season One on HD-DVD.