Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th. - Page 2

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I suppose they'll cut even more from the show if it's going to be syndicated. In the 60s, was it 50 minutes of show per hour? Now it's getting close to 40.

When they first showed on SciFi, they were uncut, shown over 90 minutes.

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Changing effects is one thing, but you're willing to accept 16x9 TOS? No one has officially suggested that the aspect ratio will be changed, but I suspect a lot of people who are all for this will jump ship if that happens. HD does not have to be 16x9. And, if the aspect ratio is left alone, then no, the show is not altered at all simply by being in HD. The show was shot on film, which is higher definition than HD anyway.

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Saw this over at AVS forum...

"I posted in my local area thread of the "Local HDTV Info and Reception" forum to ask if anyone knew if the updated series would be running in our area in HD. Here's the response I got from someone at the station that'll be carrying it (grumble, grumble... )

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We at KSTW have the Star Trek series, however, there is no plan by the syndicator, Paramount, to distribute it to us in HD.

Almost all syndicated programming for TV stations across the country comes from a distribution clearinghouse by satellite called Pathfire. All Pathfire can support at this time is SD distribution. We are told there are plans to ramp up the system to carry HD programs for syndicated distribution but we're not there yet. Pathfire uses a store/forward file distrubution system in order to feed some 800 TV stations programming on a daily basis and not eat up a tremendous amount of bandwidth on the satellite system. HD distribution would tax that system for obvious reasons. It's the same reason why we at KSTW take CSI in syndication, but cant' get it in HD yet. Now that a sunset date of analog broadcasting has been set by Congress.....broadcasters and program distributors will have justification to work on HD distribution now.


and the irony continues... They are pitching this as "enhanced in Hd!" and yet they won't even be shown in HD...

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You know, the only high priced Trek series I bought on DVD was Next Gen, and even then it took me two years to buy the whole series. I was more than content to wait for price drops on DS9 (of wich I've only seen the first two, and last two seasons), Voyager(A Mangled show due to executive ineptness, but my first watched Trek from start to finish), and Enterprise (Better than Voyager, but not very exciting).

I know I'm going to get lambasted again, but I've only seen 3 episodes of the original series, and only one all the way through...Trouble With Tribbles. I've seen bits and peices of City on the Edge of Forever, and one other.

If they release these new CGI eps and the original un altered eps on Blue-Ray, I may go over to the HD camp.

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Personally, I have no problem with it. If they re-create everything except the actors in HD CGI, why not make it 16X9? Just so long as they don't include a CGI Spock for Kirk to talk to in the 16X9 version to make it look continuous, I have no problem with that.

Again, I also hope they include the originals, and CGI's in a blue-ray release, and Lucas will see how easy it is to make all fans happy .

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Kirk fighting a Lizard monster in a very bad rubber suit where the mouth dosn't even move, isn't camp? (non existant angel smiley)

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How is that camp? It's the technology of the time.

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Sometimes I laugh a bit though, because of the so-called purist argument of not altering films.

How many films were put out in Mono that are now in Dolby Digital? Or Stereo and upmixed to DD5.1? How about films that were recorded usign Sens-O-Rama that are of course not offerred that way?

Films like "Vertigo" get cleaned up, have the color "enhanced" and have a DTS soundtrack, as well as a re-recording of some music in order to put it back.

How is any of that something that seemingly gets a pass here, but when someone suggests updating special effects, which is the most notable failure of older works, people go ballistic.

Think about it. At one point, hundreds of years ago, someone staged Shakespeare's "Romeo & Juliet" for the first time. Now, we do it with elaborate stagecraft, set design, etc. Is that update heretical as it's no longer being done on a wooden flat stage exactly as it was presented the first time?

I kind of get the argument some propose that they want nothing to ever change. But it does. Just by putting a movie on DVD, in some ways, important facts about it change. The black level is no longer truly consistent with film. It undergoes a form of compression. Audio is changed. The movie is presented with menus, something it obviously never had in a theater, and the existance of a commentary track is an alteration of it's original presentation.

I have no problem with them takin the old star trek and remaking the special effects. Why not, it's just fiction. If Majel Barret doesn't object, then I don't understand why I should.

I disagreed with Lucas because he effectively ditched the originals and did not allow you to have both. But here, you can easily have both. And I don't see any problem with that at all.

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I think re-mixing audio is different from re-recording audio. And re-filming effects from scratch as well. One reason people were pissed at the remix of JAWS with the goofy new sound FX.

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It won't be 16x9

Here's the article with info from CBS.

The runtime will be shorter than the typical episode run of 51 minutes. So probably more than 5 minutes will be cut from each airing.

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That is actually an excellent idea! In fact, it's more the colour scheme than anything else. Here is my crappy 10-second Photoshop example.



And if they can regrade the entire colour scheme for TNG (especially early TNG) to be more like, say, Generations (possibly the only good thing in that whole stinking movie was the cinematography) that would be a very good idea IMHO!

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Ok, but am I wrong, I was thinking new pieces were recorded for LOTR (extended versions) so that the music would better flow into the long form versions. And that some films, like Vertigo, had music redone (same music re-recorded) to give it a more "full" feel within the film.

So, I get the complaint with Jaws, and I agree, but I think there have been plenty of times where this has done and I don't see people complain.

I'm using Vertigo as my example. When Harris & Katz re-did it, and made it available on Laserdisc in DTS format, there were a lot of complaints. Some of the audio-recordings were entirely redone, etc.

Now, ten years later, I own both the original print version and the Harris & Katz version, and I will tel you, the updated 1996 release, which has full approval of the Hitchcock estate looks and feels like what Hitchcock meant. There is no meaningful change, the music re-recorded by a modern symphony to replace the old soundtrack has pretty well been accepted.

I don't see a lot of fighting in the forums over it. Here, you're dealing with Rodenberry's 1960s style special effects - the best he could get on the budget he had. But that doesn't mean changing them to make them more impressive is some terrible violation.

Maybe I'm alone in thinking this. Anyway, I will definitely give them a shot

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Actually, here's an idea, even though it's more expensive than CG, it'll look more real.

Completly rebuild all the sets from the original TNG as they where when the episode was filmed. When ships arn't flying, use life size prop. When ships are flying, redoo everything with CG. Then re-incorporate everything into existing footage, and film it with an HD camera. Then all they have to do is get the actors into HD and they are done. Some of the video dosn't look that great in early TNG..

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Typical syndicated shows now run 42 minutes. That is an awful lot of the show getting removed. sigh.

I would think that the purists would be more angry at this than the cgi changes.

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For anyone in the area: In the Northwest Arkansas/Eastern Oklahoma region, the new TOS will be airing on KFDF (soon-to-be former UPN station) at 8pm on Saturdays, starting the 16th.

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Will this or will this not air in HD...? I have heard conflicting news.

And yeah, making a big hoopla out of these and then cutting 8 or so minutes out of each epsiode...? And you KNOW they wanna show off the new FX so that means that dialogue and plot will be cut. At least when Sci-Fi channel first aired them "remastered" several years back they were uncut.
"Classic! Landmark! Iconic" but we've redone alot of it and cut 8 minutes out! These are worthless IMHO.... Basically a BIG commercial for the evntual "UNCUT!!" tweaked versions that they will sell later on DVD, then HDdvd then BD.


Bingo...

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Is there a site where they list when and where the eps are going to be broadcast?

I can't stand G4 but they got it right when they show "Star Trek Uncut." Don't get me started on that 2.0 crap they show, though.

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Is there some info anywhere that lists the stations that will be showing this? There's a UPN in my area that is gonna have a lot of spots to fill, hopefully they'll have it. Of course, the station comes in like crap, even over cable.

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I just got he word today about and I'm pretty excited about it. But reading some of the threads here especially dealing with time, it sucks for them to cut some of the show's time, well that's syndication for ya, play it to death and cut it to make room for commercials.

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That's what I was so upset about. Paramount should have been all over this in their press release, instead we get "check your local listings." I did a search of TVguide.com's listings for Atlanta and it appears to be airing on WSB at 2:05 AM EDT on Sundays. Hope that helps!

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Why did they do it? Because all you HD set owners would bitch at how bad ST:TOS looks in HD if they didn't. Nothing is being redesigned. The interiors will remain the same. They just used CGI to sharpen up the space scenes. So far I have been really pleased with the still photos I've seen.

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Not just that, there have been further tweaks in the FX dept. and music has been re-recorded....

"
Painted backdrops will also be brought to life: Once-empty star bases will have CGI people milling about, while static alien landscapes have been given slow-moving clouds and shimmering water. Okuda notes that a view of Earth in the 1966 episode "Miri" has been "replaced with a more accurate image, now that we've gone into deep space and looked back at ourselves."

Trek's opening theme is also getting an overhaul: The music has been re-recorded in stereo, and a new singer has been hired to wail those famous but wordless vocals. And goofs will be corrected: In "The Naked Time," there was no beam coming out of Scotty's phaser when he tried to cut through the bulkhead outside Engineering. Now there is..."


"...bringing TREK to a whole new generation!!"

"2:05 am on a sunday morning..."

The ironies continue.

LATEST UPDATE! Paris Hilton is the new singer of the classic TREK opening theme!!!!!


Well, if they really wanna be modern...

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Trek Movie.com has station listings. These are not complete and they welcome any input for missing station information.

Additionally, on this site, there's an interview with one of the producers of the enhanced effects. Plus Roddenberry's son comments. Click on the News tab on top of the page.

http://trekmovie.com/tos-in-hd/hdtv-...-channel-list/

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Are they trying to bury this show?? I just checked tvguide.com and they show "Balance of Terror" airing on NBC channel 4 NYC. But, the time they show it airing is 3:05AM on Sept.18th. 3:05am!! What are they thinking?

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Hey, it makes perfect sense. Any earlier and it might cut into reruns of the Hughleys.

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Grrr... Saturday and Sunday late-nights on WCVB-5 (ABC) here in Boston. You'd think that the Viacom-owned Channel 38 with a whole metric crapload of prime-time schedule to fill once UPN closes up shop would have had some interest.

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Thanks for that but that sucks! I really need to get a DVR,

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So what's the point of this? TVLand will be playing the original originals, yes? And probably at a much better time. This is all just a pre-cursor to sell TREK yet again on DVD, eventually HDdvd and then BD. There they will be "unedited"

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Nothing I can see for DTV Pacific on tvguide.com. Also, nothing on the Tivo either as of the weekend when I did a search. Maybe too soon.

Anyone have any idea about SF Bay Area listings?

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In Seattle it will be on at 10 p.m. Saturday nights on KSTW (the new CW).