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post #271 of 1108

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I looked at a few scenes this morning of Devil in the Dark. The new CGI version of the matte painting of the mining facility with cgi people looked really good.

The new Enterprise shots in Orbit of Janus 6 looked much better too. Perhaps it was the way it was rendered to reflect the light off the color of the planet. It does still look a bit cartoony, but as has been said, it does emulate the feel of low budget-ness of the original effects. I like that this week, we can actually see the glow and pulsing in the warp drive nacelle domes. That effect was originally done with Chrtistmas lights and a rotating half clear dome with lines painted on it. So they got it right this week.

The live action really pops on this show. The colors are again solid and true. The tunnels, while of course are paper and foam, look great, the colors they were painted in really shows.

I just skipped to the end to see how they do the last shot. I'll have to find time to compare to the DVD's, looked like they fade to an exterior shot of the Enterprise fly-by sooner then originally, cutting off William Shatner's reaction shot and final lines of dialogue a bit. BUt the last pan shot of the Enterprise as it fly past the camera looked quite good!
post #272 of 1108

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Thanks for the updates guys. I am not HD capable so it will awhile before I see these versions of the episodes and am following the reaction posts here with interest.

I picked up the Time Travel collection and these are the first epsidoes I have watched on DVD. It is quite sobering to see how the DVDs strip away the thin veneer of reality and show up all the flaws and cheapness of the sets.

Most apparent are the individual bridge viewing stations and Spock's ears.
post #273 of 1108

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Well Lou, they aren't showing the show in HD anyway. I am watching it OTA on an HD capable TV. But it's not as sharp and clear as a real HD broadcast. The DVD's are sharper then my broadcast image! The one area the new SD Star Trek's are showing is the solid and true colors and we can at least see the new effects. It's amazing to see how deep the red shirts are!

It is amazing how revealing the DVD's are.

By the way, this site has been pretty great at posting updates and images from this new Star Trek. This link is to screenshots for The Devil in the Dark. http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/23/devi...ts-and-videos/
post #274 of 1108

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The new matte painting looked good, but it still looks like a matte painting. If they're going to go to all the trouble of re-doing things, then they should make it worth while. Instead of a matte painting, why not a few CGI shots around the mine, 21st century style? If they're going to be this faithful then they should just leave Trek the way it is.
post #275 of 1108

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I hear ya Blake but then the transition to the live action footage with the 60's era lighting, hairdos, cheap sets etc.. would be WAY more jarring....
post #276 of 1108

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Hmmm....old-style phaser animation. I really didn't expect that since it looked REAL bad in the 60's. I mean, why not take a few hours and update that too? It makes the SPFX updates a little uneven.

My take on the Big E: good in some spots, REAL bad in others. I'm glad they went through the trouble of measuring it right, but the model has no weight to it in certain shots.
post #277 of 1108

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hate the idea (oh, we'll adjust it, but we'll stay ever so true to the original work), and couldn't give a frig about the execution.

seriously, this is as reprehensible as some of george lucas' adjustments.
post #278 of 1108

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From the recording which was set for 2:30 to 3:30 it appeared in NYC it started about 2:45 close to 3:00am, therefore my recording never got to the end. The enterprise actually looks pretty good, the flybys in the beginning looks kind of wierd. My guess the DVDs must looks sweet because the picture did look pretty good via scaled to 480p from the I-scan pro. The music utilized surrounds pretty well, in closing if it came on earlier, I would find myself watching it over even cut the way it is, but too early and I'm not going to spend money on S-Vhs tapes again, I barely use the thing now.
post #279 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Jonathon M
hate the idea (oh, we'll adjust it, but we'll stay ever so true to the original work), and couldn't give a frig about the execution.

seriously, this is as reprehensible as some of george lucas' adjustments.

I disagree. Think about it - you go back to the camera negatives for the live shots and they look gorgoeus. You put the SPFX in HD and they look horrendous. Now, you have two choices:

1) Stick with the dirty, scratchy film for the FX
2) Redo them in HD

I don't blame them AT ALL for what they did. This is NOT doing what Lucas did. This is trying to match the quality of the live and effects shots. Why do you think the shots are matching the movements of everything in the frame?
post #280 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Mike_G
This is trying to match the quality of the live and effects shots. Why do you think the shots are matching the movements of everything in the frame?

Personally, I believe that a product should represent the quality of it's production. Countless CDs have been remastered, but many of the original discs have mixes similar to the original vinyl mixes, which I prefer on principle. I wish that all DVDs would have (at least as an option) their original mixes, and I feel that, while there has been sincere effort to keep it as close to the original as possible, it is still tampering with the original.

To me, part of Star Trek TOS's charm is its FX shots. Perhaps they should merely leave the FX shots looking less than perfect, as I'd rather see an untampered form than a recreation, no matter how carefully created. As with the 60s Batman film, if you watch it, you'll notice that when the "Ka-Pow" etc titles are on screen, the shot itself is grainier than the "clean" parts of the film. I'd rather have that than a mishmash of technology.
post #281 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Jerome Grate
From the recording which was set for 2:30 to 3:30 it appeared in NYC it started about 2:45 close to 3:00am, therefore my recording never got to the end. The enterprise actually looks pretty good, the flybys in the beginning looks kind of wierd. My guess the DVDs must looks sweet because the picture did look pretty good via scaled to 480p from the I-scan pro. The music utilized surrounds pretty well, in closing if it came on earlier, I would find myself watching it over even cut the way it is, but too early and I'm not going to spend money on S-Vhs tapes again, I barely use the thing now.

It wa scheduled for 2:45 AM but started a bit late at about 2:53.AM, probably due to football earlier in the evening, which is way I give it extra time when recording.
post #282 of 1108

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well let's just hope that they will furnish both on the HD media.
post #283 of 1108

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Just finihed the Tivo'd Devil in the dark and I do have to say that the last shot of the Enterprise flying off looked tremendous! Way better than last week's very flat looking ones. They nailed it this time. Keep that up and I will be happy.

post #284 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Jerome Grate
From the recording which was set for 2:30 to 3:30 it appeared in NYC it started about 2:45 close to 3:00am, therefore my recording never got to the end. The enterprise actually looks pretty good, the flybys in the beginning looks kind of wierd. My guess the DVDs must looks sweet because the picture did look pretty good via scaled to 480p from the I-scan pro. The music utilized surrounds pretty well, in closing if it came on earlier, I would find myself watching it over even cut the way it is, but too early and I'm not going to spend money on S-Vhs tapes again, I barely use the thing now.

I hate stations doing this. I recorded the 11pm showing of Eureka last night. But it started about 4 minutes late because they had the stoooopid ECW run over. So I missed the last couple minutes of Eureka and the preview.
post #285 of 1108

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Keep us posted Dave. If the shots continue to improve I hope they redo their previous efforts if and when these are released on HD formats.
post #286 of 1108

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Anyone see this week's yet? It's on midnite here tonite. The Naked Time, I believe.
"I give, she takes!"
I think there's some major spinning down to the planet viewscreen FX...

post #287 of 1108

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Dave, sounds like you saw what I saw, the trailer for The Naked Time does have some new viewscreen effects as the ship is spiraling down Psi 2000. This is an excellent episode, I hope the effects don't muck it up!
post #288 of 1108

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Hi Nelson!

I haven't seen the trailer yet, just remembering the original episode.

post #289 of 1108

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i watched this morning.
i think it was fine except for the spinning of the planet.
it was super fast.
just looked odd.
post #290 of 1108

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I don't recall the episode name but last night's episode really tested my tolerance for watching in ST woman run around in their silly Go-Go outfits and late 60's. early 70's hair styles. Living through it once was enough.

Also the containment garb worn by Spock and the crewman on the planet surface looked like it came from the K-Mart bargain bin.

Other than those nits I enjoyed the episode.
post #291 of 1108

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So what did everyone think of "The Naked Time" new FX..?
Either I'm getting more used to it or they are improving because it worked for me last nite. The oepning matte painting of the station was really well done IMHO and the spinning down to the planet was handled pretty well.
post #292 of 1108

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Hey Dave!

I unfortunately missed it! My DVR didn't record it. But I did catch a few scenes as I was trying to go to sleep. As we've seen, what impresses me is the color. It's so strong now, it really pops.

The only effects shot I saw was the new chronometers and the ship in orbit. I did see screen caps on another site and the new opening matte shot did look cool. Though I'm surprised they didn't design it to look more in line with the design of the miners buildings from Mudd's Women.

Dave, it does look like they are improving the CGI shots of the ship. It's surprising they didn't work that out before. But we don't know what kind of schedule they are up against.
post #293 of 1108

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Hiya Nelson!
Hopefully they sweeten ALL the shots more before the inevitable DVD and eventually HD releases...

post #294 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
spinning down to the planet was handled pretty well.

Ohhh...entirely too fast on the viewscreen. Maybe slow it down just a little bit, that's all I'm asking. It reminded me of a roller coaster...

I did like the opening station shot...how the blizzard covered it up until the camera had zoomed in enough.
post #295 of 1108

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Jason, exactly how fast does a 430-crewperson starship spiral downward when its engines have been shut off cold and it's on a collision course with a planet? I guess the Star Trek people got it wrong, so apparently you know what it correct. Please enlighten.

For some reason I would think a huge starship on a collision course with a planet and its engines shut off so it can't escape the planet's orbit would actually be FAR WORSE than a silly amusement park roller coaster.
post #296 of 1108

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The Original planet spun pretty quick as well. So far I like the planetscape Mattes we are seeing, and the planets and viewscreen stuff. I still think some of the Enterprise shots look too much like video game CGI.
post #297 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Mike Williams
Jason, exactly how fast does a 430-crewperson starship spiral downward when its engines have been shut off cold and it's on a collision course with a planet? I guess the Star Trek people got it wrong, so apparently you know what it correct. Please enlighten.

For some reason I would think a huge starship on a collision course with a planet and its engines shut off so it can't escape the planet's orbit would actually be FAR WORSE than a silly amusement park roller coaster.

Mike, I wasn't trying to be snotty, condescending or rude. You are. Please refrain from doing so in the future. I merely expressed an opinion.
post #298 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Jason_V
Mike, I wasn't trying to be snotty, condescending or rude. You are. Please refrain from doing so in the future. I merely expressed an opinion.

I agree. No need to be rude.

And besides, it's a SCI-FI show.
post #299 of 1108

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I think that the speed matches the urgency in the dialog. This is a ship that at a very high altitude, orbits the planet in very little time judging by the traditional flyby shots. If it were at the same speed and right off the atmosphere I think it would look pretty fast. Worked for me. If it had been much slower I don't think there would have been any suspense. And I think that the original had it spinning REALLY fast too...


post #300 of 1108

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Man, I'm a geek...



Oh well...

Anyways

http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/30/the-...e-screenshots/
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