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These need to be on the iTMS, if only a few episdoes for us to check out. I'd pay $1.99 each for a few shows.

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That's a great idea Mike. I am not HDTV capable and would definitely check out an episode or two.

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The should be unedited on the ITMS then I'd buy a few

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I thought about the iTunes Store as well. But I suspect for the same reasons they are not on DVD is that they have a 2 year commitment to show it in syndication and can't have DVD's or MP4s out there at the same time. But that new higher res episodes available at iTunes would be great!

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trekkies are a finnicky bunch =). you might not complain about the fx... cause you're probably after the story/plot and some hammed up acting, but many other (like those in this thread) have said just as much. i think it's a waste of $ to spice up the fx. just leave the fx, remaster the film elements for HD-DVD and release it! =).

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Hiya Nelson!

I watched it in the Bay area on comcast SD cable. Pic. was ok but doesn't look great. The Dvds look clearer on my oppo.

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Hey Dave!

Thanks, that's the same as what I am seeing then. The DVD's looked sharper for me too!

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Yep, a shame that after all the hoopla, one: they are cut mercilessly and
two: Aren't being shown in HD....

I think I might lose interest after a bit. If they had at least been uncut, I'd probably watch every episode but the cuts are really jarring to me.

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It is a shame they are not broadcasting in HD. Perhaps later this year or early next, they will get their act together.

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The NBC in NYC feed sure looked like HD to me. Stunning.

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You broadcaster may be HD (mine is 720p) but the source material is not (at least the claim is that no one is being supplied the HD material).

Mine is in some bizzarre Stretch-O-Vision that distorts all images in an attempt to fill the 16x9 screen without pillarboxing the 4x3 content.

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NBC East NYC, do we know what time it will be???

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Jerome, WNBC last week was scheduled to air the show at 2:35 am on Sunday night/Monday morning. It ended up airing earlier however. So check your listings and then don't trust them.

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"I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!"

They're showing Devil in the Dark tomorrow evening at 6pm, a much better time slot if you ask me. Maybe the ratings were better here than in other places.

I hope they dont mess around with what the Horta looks like, I think its fine the way it is.

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Actually, it was scheduled for 3:35 A.M., but aired almost an hour earlier at 2:45 A.M.

Hopefully, this week will air on time.

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They are touching up visual effects, not practical effects, so the HORTA should be fine.

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P A I N !!!!!!!!!

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"Somebody get this man an aspirin!"

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Tino, you're right. I get the New York feed here in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on DirecTV, so for me it was scheduled to air at 2:35 a.m., because I'm an hour earlier. My apologies for the confusion.

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Well I just finished going through Miri. Did a quick scan through to see the new FX as watching it this mangled really irks me. Anyways there were only a handful of Enterprise shots with 3 or so being repeated, (just like in the original) The planet looked ok but MAN, the last 2 shots at the end of The Enterprise coming towards and then going away from camera look absolutely ridiculous IMHO. Really really lame CGI. My Xbox has some games with more convincing graphics. I watched it several times and just couldn't believe how fake it looked, No Depth, no detail, no decent shadowing or texture. It looked like a pre-finshed pass graphic. I have no way of posting a screenshot but if anyone has this ep. on DVR and you watch the last 2 shots again, you will maybe agree. It seems they busted their nut so to speak on "Balance..." and these "simpler" shots are just going to be really mediocre unless they make a better effort. The original model shots (IMHO!) looked far more convincing for these shots. I thought the point of this was to "improve" the effects?

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Last shots from Miri, you can see how low resolution the SF Bay Area CW station transmit at. These were recorded directly to my computer HD off the air.

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Thanks Nelson!

Yep, that's it.
Doesn't work for me...

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Anyone know where they are being broadcast in Kansas City. I've tried to TIvo a couple of episodes, but they are just old, grainy noisy ones, that are obviously not enhanced.

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I got out some of the 'Original Originals' today to see if the effects were as bad as everyone seems to think. And yes, you have the Enterprise jerking sideways randomly in the opening credits, the re-used shots, etc. But you know what, I don't care. I don't try to apply 21st century standards to 60's effects. If it looks like that, it looks like that. As Popeye said; 'I yam what I yam.'

If they were updating old CGI with new CGI, they'd probably get away with it. But to replace a model that is a real thing, that has a weight to it on screen, and that interacts with light in a way a lot of CGI is unable to accomplish, you end up with flat, lifeless fancy cartoons.

I've no problem with the project in theory. But in practise, based on the screenshots, it looks like the results could do with some improvement. A missed opportunity.

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just watched "i'm a doctor, not a bricklayer"

was there any other new effects other the the ship cgi

btw i dont like the new ship.

i liked the old grainy look of the ship.

opening ship seems to come in on the wrong angle, justlooks odd.

i remember watching when i was younger i would try to figure out which dot/star was going to be the ship flying out.

now it just flies out.

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Okay...yesterday I watched an all day Trek marathon on G4, which was composed of the old, unadultered eps. Today, I caught the last half hour of an episode with this painfully fake creature (can't recall the name, I believe its listed in some former post).

Anyhow, this is my reaction: Based upon what I've seen, the "redone" eps (if you can really call them that), have a nicer overall picture. For lack of a better term, the old episodes appear "warm," whereas the new ones are more of a neutral, contemporary look...in terms of quality. Aside from that, everything was the same. The lame monsters still look lame, and the caves and backgrounds are still cardboard and styrafoam.

With all that in mind, I would say there is not a dramatic difference between the original, and CGIed version. The only major change is, as some have pointed out, the shots of the Enterprise...which make up a VERY small fraction of the eps anyway.

After reading this thread, and some individual's complaints and critiques, I was particulalrly observant when looking at both the new and old Enterprises. Nonetheless, I feel the new Enterprise looks better than the old one. My opinion on this is that although in the original we are looking at something that is real (ie: a model), it looks a bit too real (ie: it looks like a cheap model). Whats more, the original motion of the enterprise seemed very static and ridgid in comparison to the new shots. All in all, I think the remastering is a good thing.

That in mind, its an opinion. I believe any "nonfanatic" would appreciate the remastering, and hold it in higher regard when compared with the originals, especially the Enterprise shots.

However, for the fanatics, there is no pleasing...so why not go back to your DVDs, or the G4 Saturday marathons of the originals? I mean, no one is pulling your leg to watch these new ones. AND, at 11am on sunday, I don't think the network is pulling anyone else's leg to watch it either.

Its like someone else has said before: if your after original, the DVDs are the best route. They're touched up, and they are in the original 480 format...but no dramatic image doctoring. For someone that is so concerned with originality, they would be the end of the line. What Paramount does from here should not be, how you say, paramount for someone of that perspective.

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I am a non-hardcore Trek fan who watched Star Trek TOS when first broadcast. Over the years since then I rarely watched the syndicated episodes although I watched some of the spin-offs.

I'm now hooked on the new remastered series. With the addition of todays digital television the colors and contrast just sing. Also the revised ships and effects look fine to me. As far as I'm concerned they've built a better mouse trap.

It will be interesting to see how much better they look when the HD versions become available.

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Well thanks to NBC in NY the show started LATE this week, not early.

/sigh

Looks like I'll have to tell the TiVo to start an hour early and end an hour late.

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Well I got something the old fashion way S-VHS and I'll check it tonight to see if they started later or early. It was set for 2:30 start and 3:30 end.

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Ok, I gotta say that the way they replaced the old set background of the mining complex, (diorama,?) with the newer one was tastefully done. Still looked very retro and didn't draw alot of attention to itself. Well done...