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post #181 of 1108
9/17/06 at 3:20pm

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Holy cat! Ken Foote, program director for KTXA and KTVT, called my house while I was out to tell me that, because they didn't have a good time slot, they had lost the contract for STAR TREK to KFWD 52, who will be airing 2 episodes a week in "prime time". Unfortunately, the machine cut him off before he could say more—
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post #182 of 1108
9/17/06 at 3:32pm

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Originally Posted by Billy Posey
As far as what I think about the effects I was some what disappointed in a few thinks. Mainly the Enterprise. I have always wanted to see the original constitution class in a manner like Refit from the movies. The closest that I have seen is probably the DS9 episode "Trials and tribble-ations". That ship look more realistic than tv version...
...which was also a physical model built half-size to the original model and except for one minor detail, was an exact replica including markings, windows and all.

I personally couldn't stand the way they photographed the T&T Enterprise model - way too close with too wide of a lense distorting the view of the old lady.

So far, they've only shown "Miri" here so there was not a lot to check out. But of what I did see was not impressive. The Enterprise looked too "ghostly" with the lighting done to it. And I agree the nacelle caps were just badly done. Not enough color and too flat looking. I've seen better attempts by amateurs on the Trek Forums.

But, they didn't mess with the transporter effect.
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post #183 of 1108
9/17/06 at 4:29pm

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Christopher, I guess that means we better watch tonight at 9 just in case. Maybe they bumped Four Weddings for it. I'd bump Four Weddings for it. That was the slot I saw last night, and everyone else still thinks it's on KTXA.
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post #184 of 1108
9/17/06 at 5:00pm

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I think it's pointless to redo the effects only to keep the new shots looking just like the old shots. If they're going to go to the trouble of making new shots, they might as well have them be really action-packed and cool, with more explosions and everything. There's not point in watching the new remastered BoT when I can just watch the original on DVD, if it looks exactly the same as the new one.

PS. I think the new cloaking effect is supposed to resemble the cloaking effect for the Romulan ship in "Dead Stop" (ENT).
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post #185 of 1108
9/17/06 at 5:11pm

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Originally Posted by Blake Siefken
I think it's pointless to redo the effects only to keep the new shots looking just like the old shots. If they're going to go to the trouble of making new shots, they might as well have them be really action-packed and cool, with more explosions and everything. There's not point in watching the new remastered BoT when I can just watch the original on DVD, if it looks exactly the same as the new one.

PS. I think the new cloaking effect is supposed to resemble the cloaking effect for the Romulan ship in "Dead Stop" (ENT).

I agree. If the whole point in redoing the effects was to try and draw in a newer, younger audience who would find the dated effects cheesy -- they failed. The effects shots might be cleaner, but the ships still move the old way which isn't what kids who grew up on CGI are used to. They would still find the effects dated and boring.

If they weren't going to really update the effects, then why bother. Us older geezers would still watch the old shows with the old effects.
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post #186 of 1108
9/17/06 at 5:52pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

i forgot to check it out today.
oh next sunday already set to record
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post #187 of 1108
9/17/06 at 6:49pm

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Hi folks. I'm new here, but wanted to add to the debate. The color of the Command uniforms were green, not gold. The bad prints for decades have made everyone think the were gold. I have seen the uniforms in person and own the material from the trading cards. Even Kirk's wrap around uniform he wore for half of year two is green.
The theme music didn't add the female voice until year two. So they have been faithful on these two items. The second pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before" had no voice over from Shatner. I wonder how this will be handled.
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post #188 of 1108
9/17/06 at 7:07pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

I would just like to see new shots of the Ships that they could not do back when the show was originally done after all on one of the videos from Star Trek.com the talked about shots that would look more dynamic and you would see the ship move in a more realistic manner, that unfortunately was not done on this episode(Balance of Terror). The shots were just recreated frame by frame adding nothing new to the episode. On the bright side the new transfers of the live action footage looked great, although edited way too much. CGI has improved a lot in the last few years so maybe I was expecting more. I will check out the next one next Saturday.

Later everyone
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post #189 of 1108
9/17/06 at 7:12pm

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It's on on 52 right now in Dallas. I missed the start due to baking a cake.
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post #190 of 1108
9/17/06 at 7:34pm

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Actually Brian- The ship motion is fixed. What that startrek.com video with producer, Rossi was saying was that in the titles, when the Enterprise heads towards the screen right, during that track, you can see the ship shift to the left a little during the flight. It's sutble, but there. They must have had to do that optically because of the angle looking wrong or as he said, they couldn't get the camera far enough back to make the shot work. So the new CGI Enterprise actually flys from screen left and banks subtly to the right and does the fly by and as it passes and the shot cuts to the rear of the ship and it heads towards the red planet, you see it bank again to the left a little. Watch the opening credits again if you have it recorded.

I did an A-B comparison of a recording of BoT Enhanced and the DVD. This new Enterprise fly-by is evidently smoother and tracks better then the original. But I have to say, the original 12 foot model looks more like the real thing! The materiels reflect the light better and the lights on the ship look better. Also, the DVD was a lot sharper, but that was likely due to the OTA recording being SD. The Enhanced colors had Kirk's uniform greenish as brought up. But the thing that struck me was subtle changes in the framing. Mostly mid to long shots the Enhanced version had the frame a tad lower.
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post #191 of 1108
9/17/06 at 8:15pm

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Two episodes back-to-back here in North Texas, "Balance of Terror" first and then "Miri". Effects shots in "Balance" were largely indistinguishable from the original, except for the phaser effect which was abysmal, and one exterior, during the "silent running" sequence, in which the nacelle lights weren't extinguished as in the original. The quality of the interior/live scenes is excellent : they must have done a nice clean-up on the films, which looks good enough to render the redone effects shots quite superfluous.
Lip-synch is off, but that's the broadcaster. Cuts, nasty, ditto : they could run the long versions if they wanted to , but instead I'm stuck with globs of ads. Sort of worth it, though, to see it on broadcast again.

Incidentally, the exteriors of ship and planet in "Miri" are far cheesier than the old ones : far too clear.
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post #192 of 1108
9/17/06 at 8:16pm

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The effects were subtle enough that they didn't bother me, but they sure aren't going to win over kids who are bored by the story. I doubt if they'd even notice them.
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post #193 of 1108
9/17/06 at 8:43pm

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Can someone please post a screen cap of the Romulan plasma weapon? Many thanks
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post #194 of 1108
9/17/06 at 8:52pm

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I gotta say of course many of the old FX looked bad, but many looked good. And the old model looked like a real physical thing. These new FX just look like a videogame....
Nothing wrong with good CGI when done well like SW ep.III. Problem here is this done in house on the cheap and for many shots it shows....
But the fact that they are chopping the hell out of it here is what's bad....

just my 2 cents...
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post #195 of 1108
9/17/06 at 8:57pm

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Rob-

This page has several screen caps and before and after too.

http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/17/bala...fter/#more-193
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post #196 of 1108
9/17/06 at 9:03pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

Still the old "cloud of fire" effect, but maybe a smidge less distinctive than before. I can't see the motivation — a straight cleanup of those old elements would have looked as good, I think.
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post #197 of 1108
9/18/06 at 4:07am

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

I have to agree about the model looking better as it has been stated before that great cgi is comparable to a good model shoot but sometimes even just good cgi comes up short on realism, as far as my statement on the ship still not moving in a realistic manner there was one shot where they were following or shadowing the Romulan bird of prey where the ship came at the camera at an odd angle(Same as the original model shot).

Later everyone
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post #198 of 1108
9/18/06 at 6:14am

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Well, my station played a CSI instead. Just what I wanted.
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post #199 of 1108
9/18/06 at 8:46am

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WTF!

NBC here in NY was scheduled to show it at 3:35 Am but instead started it at 2:45, thus pissing me off and I'm sure a lot of ST fans that set their recorders.

Lucky I was up at 3 and caught the last 40 minutes or so. I even think it was in HD. It looked fantastic and the new effects didn't bother me as much as some.
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post #200 of 1108
9/18/06 at 9:19am

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"Incidentally, the exteriors of ship and planet in "Miri" are far cheesier than the old ones : far too clear."

No it's not. The old effects of the planets always looked like plastics globes.
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post #201 of 1108
9/18/06 at 9:25am

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as far as my statement on the ship still not moving in a realistic manner there was one shot where they were following or shadowing the Romulan bird of prey where the ship came at the camera at an odd angle(Same as the original model shot).
If you're referring to the shot after the explosion of the "old-style atomic warhead", what we see there is the Enterprise "listing" to one side like a surface ship with damage. Unrealistic, maybe, but intended (remember the episode owes a good deal to submarine stories).

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No it's not. The old effects of the planets always looked like plastics globes.
That they did, and it's certainly not the best "look". On the other hand, if the ENTERPRISE is in focus in the shot, having the planet also in focus (considering how high the orbit has to be for any conceivable perspective to show a globe) is so unrealistic as to beggar description. The old "plastic globes" at least had the good grace to look ill-defined.
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post #202 of 1108
9/18/06 at 10:46am

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I live outside of NYC (A major market) and NBC aired the show at 3:35am. So I set my dvr to tape it. Wake up this morning. They must have started it way early. Since my recording starts with about 10 minutes left in the episode. Nice job NBC!
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post #203 of 1108
9/18/06 at 10:52am

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Originally Posted by ChristopherDAC
(remember the episode owes a good deal to submarine stories)
Specifically, the 1957 WWII movie between an American Destroyer and a German U-boat, The Enemy Below, for which "Balance of Terror" was totally based on.
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post #204 of 1108
9/18/06 at 10:53am

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See, the thing is, if the CGI effects were too perfect, people would complain that the effects are too perfect and distracting and that it takes them away from the episode. I for one am glad the effects aren't "ILM quality". It's too soon, but so far I'm happy with what I've seen.
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post #205 of 1108
9/18/06 at 11:13am

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Thanks Nelson for the link.
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post #206 of 1108
9/18/06 at 11:29am

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I see that part 1 of "Balance" is airing on HDNet tonight (per RCN Boston listings), and I've never seen a non-HD broadcast on HDNet.

I plan to watch a movie and football tonight, but if I remember I'll click by HDNet and see how "Trek" looks. Green shirts, eh?
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post #207 of 1108
9/18/06 at 11:37am

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Watched 15 minutes of Miri, set DVR and went to sleep early. Will watch rest tonite.
I noticed that they cut the scene of Kirk beating up the deformed Grup in the beginning down to one punch. I think in the original he hits him like 4 times! (Was a tad excessive but that's how it was...)
Question, how much of the Kirk Finnegan fight scenes will get cut from "Shore Leave" or any big rambling fistfight scene...?

Rich, if you're getting it in HD you might be the only one..!



I don't think you could actually call the command shirts "green" in color...

This is from the new tweaked version.

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post #208 of 1108
9/18/06 at 11:58am

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i think fans are expecting 2much. 3 interesting observations about fan reactions:

1. many fan and nonfans alike say TOS has the crappiest fx. that's true... but they fail to realize that it's the early 60's... those were the limits of technology. they did the best they could w/shoestring budget. i don't get the discrimination.

2. regarding shoestring budget of new CG fx. you can't compare these fx w/film budgets. that's an unfair comparison. you can't even compare this with ENT budget. it's just not apples to apples. TOS isn't a 1st run show like ENT. plus... as i mentioned in the 1st point, i think they're trying to keep to the spirit of low-budget. so even the vfx is shoestring.

3. now those same critics of TOS fx are clamoring that the OLD shots look "realistic"? that's a huge paradox cause they said the fx sucked... but oh no, the new CG looks even worse? but that's what you'd expect from such a picky group.

imho, i think it's great they're generating interest in such a cult show. i say cult because the new kids today haven't watched many of the TOS episodes but are quick to judge based on the snippets they've seen.
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post #209 of 1108
9/18/06 at 12:00pm

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Any information on NBC broadcasts in the Philadelphia area (KYW)? On Saturday evening I checked the broadcast schedule via Yahoo TV, as well as the guide on my cable box, and it listed football all through primetime, until 11, then news and late shows, and then (I believe) paid for advertisements. However, the startrek.com sight listed KYW as a broadcaster...so maybe the posted schedule differed from the actual schedule...or maybe I just overlooked the show skimming through ads? I was looking at saturday and into early sunday...did the show air later on sunday or into Monday? Is there any news of rebroadcast times?

Thanks.
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post #210 of 1108
9/18/06 at 12:28pm

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I for one never said the old shots "sucked" and now look "more realistic"....
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