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post #151 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Qui-Gon John
I can't find these enhanced Star Treks listed to be shown on my local CBS affiliate, WFOR, Channel 4 in Miami. Anyone know when it will be on here?

I live in Lake Worth and it was shown on UPN, channel four at 7:00PM
post #152 of 1108

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Gonna be on here at 11pm tonite.
I am now looking forward to the show. Too bad it's so edited though.
Since these were delivered unedited to the stations, who chooses what gets snipped?
post #153 of 1108

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i dunno if i feel like staying up until 3:30AM (after it finishes!).
post #154 of 1108

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Well...it just aired here. I have to say a few times the CGI took me out of the episode. I dont know if its because i know them so well. It was OK. Just seems like the CGI is not as good as i saw on Enterprise. Specifically the Mirror Darkly episodes looked fantastic!. I will say this, it is the best the filmed footage has ever looked on broadcast TV. They did indeed cut the s**t out of it however.
post #155 of 1108

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damn.
Airs here in 30 minutes.
Did they indeed rerecord all of the music or just the theme I wonder....?
post #156 of 1108

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post #157 of 1108

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I don't know if plans changed or if I was misreading it, but this actually airs here at 9pm tomorrow on a completely different channel than I expected. What I don't understand is why my HDTV will not pick this channel up right now, but my computer will. They are on the same antenna, split at the same junction. It shouldn't matter too much since it's 4x3 material, but I hope I can get it on my TV by tomorrow.
post #158 of 1108

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I have a 4x3 tv and the image was cropped on all four sides. The colors tended a little too much towards the yellow end of the spectrum, with Kirk's uniform appearing almost green. I did like the fact that the Desilu logo did not have that 1978 copyright.
post #159 of 1108

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Here's my review, and I took notes during the broadcast.

The new titles and title music were okay. Not a bad effort at recreating it and they did it with the correct first season musical arrangement. I did not like the new whoosh sound effect as the Enterprise flies by. Shatner's "Space, The final frontier.." monologue had an echo effect added, I didn't like it, too in your face. But of course we've heard the original for 40 years.

I'm glad they left the viewscreen graphics alone on the Enterprise view screen where Spock puts up the map of the Neutral Zone and the line of Outposts.

The live action shots did have a nice solid and dense color saturation. The red uniforms look very dark now, I like it.

On the CGI, some shots do look quite fake and flat. Some of the lighting on the Enterprise is too severe. It looks like CGI. The Romulan Bird of Prey has some well done shots with lighting that matches the original. But I thought the fade out of the Cloaking Device looked like a cheap video effect of a lower level CGI software package.

The Romulan plasma weapon also looked fake. The original weapon effect looked realer and had some imaginative effort in creating it.

The comet actually looked very nice.

Some of the Enterprise fly-bys looked as whacked as the original, in terms of how it looks far away and alters perspective as it grows nearer. Odd that happened as they said they'd remove that and make it's motion look truer. I did like how the Enterprise now appears to drift as it lies motionless.

I liked the newer shots showing high POV of Romulan BoP and Enterprise. The phaser shots look good too.

On our broadcasts here in the SF Bay Area, the image looked dark and as mentioned above, some shots seemed to be very high contrast during the last reel. I was viewing this on a plasma HDTV and an OTA signal. However, I am watching a recording of it now on my Macintosh with a Cinema Display and the picture looks a bit brighter. Probably my screen adjustments, I hope.

I liked the end credits were left alone. And liked the vintage Desilu logo.

Regarding the editing done, I hate how they now edit small snippits through out. Scenes were there is time between dialogue is trimmed and the show looks cut up, disjointed. This is why I don't like to watch syndicated Star Trek. Bring on the DVD's.

Overall, a mixed bag. I wonder if the HD version will look better. While my digital reception was perfect, it did look a bit dark and a tad soft. I attribute that to some shots were done soft and some to the SD nature of the broadcast.
post #160 of 1108

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Watched it tonite.
Hit and miss, some of the effects looked ok but some had that early TNG synthetic look. I think doing it in house on the cheap is pretty stupid. The episode, "Balance..." was chopped to hell. At times I felt like I was watching a trailer for the ep. instead of the ep. itself. There was a shot of Kirk with Yeoman Rand behind him on the bridge where he says, "limited range..." in reference to the Romulan photon torpedo, a cutaway for 2-3 seconds to Spock and when it cut back, Rand was gone and Kirk was back sitting in his chair! Very jarring. Also you can hear the cuts because the music suddenly starts, stops or jumps ahead. Music has rythyms and it anooys the hell out of me when they do that.
Anyways, the music in the epsiode was the original, not rerecorded, just the theme but interestingly, no vocal! No singer! In the webdoc you saw them rerecoding the theme with an opera singer. Weird...

All in all, interesting but kind of pointless. The Hardore fans are gonna be pissed by all the editing down and altering, "a new generation" probably won't care and it looks like it's moving to sunday nite at midnite starting tomorrow.
Me, I'm a nite owl but the average person...???/
post #161 of 1108

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Hi Nelson! Interesting how we were writing a very similar review at the same time.
And it switches to sunday nites here in SF starting tomorrow.
The live action did look pretty good even in SD cable. I can only imagine it in HD. Well, in about 2 years time they will release the HD disc sets I imagine...
post #162 of 1108

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Hey Dave- Yes, I think we percieved the new shows the same way!

Star Trek moves to Sunday at midnight as the regular timeslot for the SF Bay Area? Not sure I like that! Yep, I checked TVguide.com and it lists The Devil In the Dark next Sunday.
post #163 of 1108

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Well you know what Spock would say about the move to sunday at midnight...

"P A I N !!!!!"


post #164 of 1108

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Well, it was scheduled here (in print and on the station's Web site) at 3 AM, on KTXA-21, and didn't air : Paid Programming instead. I managed to call up the Control room, and the on-duty engineer told me that Enterprise had ended the 9th, and he had been told weeks ago that they weren't going to get the redone STAR TREK until October sometime. He checked the air logs, and there was no evidence of their having gotten it as a feed or being set up to air it.

On the other hand, I did find out that they do have HD storage to time-shift network programming.
post #165 of 1108

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WUHF (Fox, ch 31) here in Rochester NY is running this thing during daylight hours. First run for "Balance of Terror" was at 5 this morning, repeating later today (6pm). "Devil In The Dark" and "The Naked Time" are set to run in similar times on Saturday / Sunday (as end of season baseball / football dominate Fox network hours; the local syndication shows shift around). Interesting that some markets are getting/have gotten "Miri"; no sign of it through this month's schedules locally.

My reaction? Mere eye-candy. An interesting variant, but not much more than that. Plus editing the show from its original 50 minute runtime to probably 42 minutes reminds me again why I have the DVDs on the shelf: to see the program content as I saw it, on network, first time around (but better, as we didn't have a color set until ten years later).
post #166 of 1108

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Damn, I didn't check for other channels, like UPN or FOX, because I thought it was going to actually be on CBS. If anyone knows of any encore showing in So. Fla., please let me know!
post #167 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Anyways, the music in the epsiode was the original, not rerecorded, just the theme but interestingly, no vocal! No singer!

That was the best part - no horrible "singing" !
post #168 of 1108

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In a word, it's shit.

My friend, who's in the business couldn't believe how cheap-ass the result was. The Enterprise looked flat and cartoon-like, like bad 2-D animation. He figures that the cost of "enhancing" 79 hours worth of material must have prompted Paramount to turn to their in-house CBS-FX team to save on bucks. The result is laughably worthless.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I've found there is a divide between the younger fans in their 20s or so and those in the late 30s and up. I for one can not stand the new CGI. Leave things alone unless you want to be a Lucas type that is constantly "tweaking & editing" his original Star Wars saga. This was filmed in the '60s and things were cheesy, sets were fake and that's the charm. Changing it in ANY way just makes it look cheaper than when it originally shot. But at least they had an excuse back then!
post #169 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Anyways, the music in the epsiode was the original, not rerecorded, just the theme but interestingly, no vocal! No singer! In the webdoc you saw them rerecoding the theme with an opera singer. Weird...

Don't forget, the singer was used for the second season theme track. So it looks like they re-recorded the title music for each season. They went that extra mile for that.
post #170 of 1108

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I wonder if this thread should be renamed or take the reviews onto a new thread for the new Enhanced TOS.
post #171 of 1108

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I catched most of the episode "Balance of Terror" and found the new effects shots disappointing to say the least, The original effects shots strangely enough I think are better as they just seemed to copy the shots rather than try to make them more dynamic. I am a purist and I have all 3 seasons of the DVD's. It is just my opinion if you are going to try to change something at least put some effort behind it.

Later everyone
post #172 of 1108

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Well, it was scheduled here (in print and on the station's Web site) at 3 AM, on KTXA-21, and didn't air : Paid Programming instead. I managed to call up the Control room, and the on-duty engineer told me that Enterprise had ended the 9th, and he had been told weeks ago that they weren't going to get the redone STAR TREK until October sometime. He checked the air logs, and there was no evidence of their having gotten it as a feed or being set up to air it.

Good, that means I wasn't imaging things. Their involvement was also listed on Yahoo's TV listings. The D/FW broadcast has since been changed to 9pm tonight on KFWD, which is 52.1 on my OTA (or should be; as I said above, I can't pick it up on my TV). Sadly, their quality is far below KTXA's.
post #173 of 1108

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I can only imagine it in HD. Well, in about 2 years time they will release the HD disc sets I imagine...

Hopefully in both original and extra-crispy.
post #174 of 1108

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i happened to take a piss close to 3AM and i remembered it all a sudden. it was like... subconscious woke me up to take a piss so i can take a gander at the TOS "remix". anyway... i saw brief bits of it and turned it off. when i saw it was in SD... i said screw this, i'm waiting for the HD media version. if it was the HD version... i would have stayed for the rest of the broadcast.

did ANYONE see it in HD? just as i suspected. is it the networks trying to save $$$? does it really cost MORE to broadcast in HD vs. SD or the station just didn't receive HD copies from paramount?
post #175 of 1108

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Too bad, it sounds pretty unanimous. I wonder if this will take multiple viewings before one can make a definitive and final evaluation.

TOS is in an unique position in this aspect because there is rarely live action interaction with the SFX exterior sequences. If done well without changing the actual story I am all for it. And this is from someone who grew up watching the series in its original primetime network run.
post #176 of 1108

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Greg, KFWD 52's Web site lists "Four Weddings and a Funeral" for 9 PM ; where are you getting that it will be STAR TREK?
post #177 of 1108

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It's totally messed up. If you do a search on Yahoo's TV Listing for Star Trek, it says KFWD at 9pm on Sept. 17. Yesterday, I swear that the grid at that site showed the same thing. Now, the search still says it, but the grid says Four Weddings.

TVGuide.com is showing it on KTXA next Sunday at 4am. A schedule search on KTXA shows it next Sunday at 3am.

Obviously, a lot of confusion with this release.

TitanTV concurs with KTXA: next Sunday, 3am. Well, the quality will be much better than on KFWD, but the time of day is hair raising.
post #178 of 1108

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Too bad, it sounds pretty unanimous. I wonder if this will take multiple viewings before one can make a definitive and final evaluation.

Funny you mention this Lou. I was just having lunch and I thought I'd watch Arena on DVD. What struck me was how bad, in this particular episode, the Enterprise shots do look. I am like you, I grew up in the 60's and have watched the series as long as you.

The phaser and photon torpedo shots that Kirk orders Sulu to fire while he is on Cetus 3 do look worse today then they did after seeing the Enhanced Balance of Terror. Funny how fast one's mind can accept something, even though it's not perfect, the CGI stuff in Balance of Terror wasn't bad. Still wasn't great! So an enhanced Arena will be interesting to see. And I know what some are thinking, enhance the Gorn too. I don't think they plan to do that.
post #179 of 1108

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I think that with the original shows you had to use a little thing called "imagination"... I mean the sets are very surreal, the lighting is hallucinatory, the monsters at times very rubbery, the makeup way over the top, the wardrobe, the music... When it was all together you just went with it. Like when you see a play, you clearly see that it is a set and you can see the lights etc... but you "suspend disbelief..."
By spiffing up the FX it just makes everthing else date even more and interestingly breaks the spell a bit..
But we've only seen one epsisode. I wonder how Doomsday machine will look...?
post #180 of 1108

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I'm watching as I write this, recorded it dvr, and I must say you guys are crazy. There is no way that it looks worse than the original effects. The effects and imagery from the animated cartoon looks better than those original effects. Those that think the romulan ships original effects look more realistic are smokin big fat ones. "Balance of Terror" has always been my favorite episode but I have always hated that cartoonish romulan ships and cartoonish effects.

As far as what I think about the effects I was some what disappointed in a few thinks. Mainly the Enterprise. I have always wanted to see the original constitution class in a manner like Refit from the movies. The closest that I have seen is probably the DS9 episode "Trials and tribble-ations". That ship look more realistic than tv version, in fact I really never cared for the original version. When she was refitted however, I was like "Now that's a grand ship." Another thing, even though I knew that it was unlikely but I wanted them to get rid of that blasted light at the bottom of the saucer. I did like the phaser effects and I hope that the planets like earth really look like planets. I mean I want earth to like that the earth in NASA's photos. I have a desktop picture of the refit Enterprise flying over Earth and its absolutely Beautiful.

Even though I was somewhat disappointed, I am glad they did it and I plan to keep watching it. As long as they don't use stick drawings, change kirk to a girl or Spock to a walking batch of blue fur then I will be watching. As long as they don't re-edit the story lines to make the 23 century grim and bleak then I invite them to tinker some more, maybe even go on and tinker with the next generation, improve the look to Enterprise D (please I'm begging). I'm not joining this 21'st century fad of trashing anything and everything. The only thing that I will trash is that idiotic fallacy that changing the original effects changes the nobility of the show. Please, if Star Trek debut in 2006 in stead of 1966 using that same technology, people wouldn't go around and say" You know those effects really enhances the show". They would say "what the blank is this crap!"

Again I say keep doing it, work on those episodes and let me enjoy the renewed interest in the Original Star Trek(The best one) again.
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