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post #121 of 1108
9/13/06 at 12:08pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

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Originally Posted by todd s
I still cannot believe that the largest (or one of the largest) markets in the country, New York city (& surrounding areas) is only airing the show at 3:05am.

WTF!!! that truly sucks,
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post #122 of 1108
9/13/06 at 3:36pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

it's airing in the AM's in most of the top 10 markets. don't feel bad. in fact... Trek in general had always shown syndication in the AM's for a few years now. most of the times nonHD.
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post #123 of 1108
9/13/06 at 4:22pm

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No HD here in SF, I predict no HD anywhere....
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post #124 of 1108
9/13/06 at 5:53pm

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CBS has made it pretty clear that they won't be providing HD signals to their affiliates until demand has reached a sufficient amount:

Dark Horizons: CBS responded saying they would start sending out the HD version 'once enough stations have upgraded' but weren't specific on what constitutes 'enough stations'.

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From the other thread:

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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz
I just want to find out what channel will be showing it here in Phoenix, AZ?

It's showing at 12 AM & 6 PM Sundays on KASW. It appears that the different broadcasts are *not* the same episodes, at least according to TV Guide.
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post #125 of 1108
9/13/06 at 7:48pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

David-

I don't think it's exactly about demand. If I read your response correctly, you mean demand for the HD versions. It's all spin if you read all the comments from CBS Paramount and the stations.

CBS Paramount blames the stations for not using the service they chose to transmit the HD signal by. And the stations all say, no we really want Star Trek in HD, we want HD content, but the way CBS Paramount is sending us the files, we can't store them.

They'll work it out and we'll enjoy these shows on HD. Maybe next year they'll have it worked out and the second wave of HD Treks will be broadcast in HD. The pressure from all sides will make both CBS Paramount and the stations will work it out!
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post #126 of 1108
9/14/06 at 1:25am

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Doesnt it just seem ironic that they do all this, spemd all this time and $, promote it as veing re-mastered in HD with these all new CGI effects and then we're stuck watching them on SD which probably won't even look as good as the old DVDs...? The SD on my comcast is pretty blah.,...
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post #127 of 1108
9/14/06 at 12:56pm

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Just did some checking, and it looks like Star Trek is airing on NBC in New York at 3:35 am this Monday morning (Sunday night), and 3:05 am next Monday morning (SUnday night), the 25th.
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post #128 of 1108
9/14/06 at 2:18pm

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Originally Posted by PhilipG
That is actually an excellent idea! In fact, it's more the colour scheme than anything else. Here is my crappy 10-second Photoshop example.



And if they can regrade the entire colour scheme for TNG (especially early TNG) to be more like, say, Generations (possibly the only good thing in that whole stinking movie was the cinematography) that would be a very good idea IMHO!


If they really want to do a service to Star Trek fans, they would digitally remove the Deanna Troi character altogether.
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post #129 of 1108
9/14/06 at 2:35pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

The SD broadcasts aired over my HD stations are still quite exceptional, and I believe these will look better than the DVDs if you're able to view them that way.
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post #130 of 1108
9/14/06 at 3:17pm

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It's not airing on an HD channel here in SF, KBCW ch. 12

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post #131 of 1108
9/14/06 at 3:24pm

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It certainly seems odd to go to all this trouble without ensuring and securing HDTV distribution ahead of time.
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post #132 of 1108
9/14/06 at 6:17pm

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just because it is AIRING on HD channels doesn't mean it will BE in HD. all of the trek syndication/reruns i've seen from TOS through VOY through ENT has relegated to bad time slots (sat afternoons, sun mornings, AM's) and the ones i've seen are always SD.

i don't think it'll be HD @2 or 3AM in the morning. sorry fellas, i'm not even staying up. i'll wait for the eventual release on a HD media. that would win me over into buying an HD player.
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post #133 of 1108
9/14/06 at 7:38pm

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An early review of the new enhanced Star Trek was posted on trekweb.com. Take it for what it is.

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Good morning all.

I have just gotten home from work, where I had opportunity to watch the new HD version of "Balance of Terror". I happen to work for one of the stations that is airing them. The feed came down from Viacom Distribution a little before 7am this morning.

It was awesome, (in my eyes anyway). The version that my station is carrying is the edited one... they have cut short some things like when Sulu and Kirk leave the conference room and walk down the hall, etc. Nothing major there. The new CG renderings of the Romulan Bird of Prey and the Enterprise are outstanding. The only thing that bothered me a little, and only a little, was the duplication of the original starfields. At times, it made the "new & improved" ships look a bit odd and out of perspective to my eyes. That being said, I felt as if I was seeing these ships and their actions true to the original intent of the show and its creators.

The version of the show that my station received was also in full-frame 4x3 aspect, not letterboxed. I am not sure if that will be the standard for all broadcast outlets, but for our purposes, it works... we do not send out a true HD signal except for our network programming.

It was a thrill. I can only hope that all of you who plan to watch will enjoy it as much as I did.

Here is the link to the thread: http://trekweb.com/stbbs/showThread....#4509559bcb580

Edit: Just saw an episode listing. Over the next 3 months we'll see a broad range of episodes from all 3 seasons. In a few weeks Catspaw will air. I can't help but think about all the CGI comments for films like War of the Worlds where the wires should or should not have been removed. Perhaps the wires for the puppets at the end of Catspaw will be removed! (I doubt it) Also The Doomsday Machine airs in February, can't wait to see how that one turns out.
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post #134 of 1108
9/14/06 at 10:37pm

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It certainly seems odd to go to all this trouble without ensuring and securing HDTV distribution ahead of time.

The process of converting the entire broadcast industry from SD to HD has been a "chicken and the egg" problem -- stations won't upgrade their facilities because there is no HD material to broadcast, and studios won't provide HD programming because the stations don't have the capability to support it.

CBS/Paramount is taking the initiative on this. Perhaps the availability of a beloved classic TV show in HD will be an incentive for stations to begin to upgrade their equipment.
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post #135 of 1108
9/15/06 at 6:32am

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that's unlikely rob... unless there's a rob ready to take the station down.
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post #136 of 1108
9/15/06 at 10:11am

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The process of converting the entire broadcast industry from SD to HD has been a "chicken and the egg" problem -- stations won't upgrade their facilities because there is no HD material to broadcast, and studios won't provide HD programming because the stations don't have the capability to support it.

Is there any particular reason a station will have both versions but only broadcast the HD during a particular time? For example, first-run Veronica Mars? HD. The weekend rerun OR even a delay because of a basketball game? SD. Is it that they do not actually even have VM HD, and it's fed to them from somewhere upstream when it's time to broadcast? I figured it was just sitting around and they were arbitrarily deciding not to play that version for some reason.
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post #137 of 1108
9/15/06 at 1:38pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Special Edition Starts Sept 16th.

Greg,

I don't know about the specific situation you mention, but I would assume that the first-run Veronica Mars is being fed to the station in question in HD. The rerun is in SD because they presumably don't have the capability to store the HD versions.
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post #138 of 1108
9/15/06 at 1:42pm

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That answers it to my satisfaction. I thought they took delivery of these things and had them sitting around to use when they wanted, but it looks like that's not the case.
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post #139 of 1108
9/15/06 at 2:05pm

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
It's not airing on an HD channel here in SF, KBCW ch. 12
Actually KBCW (channel 44 or cable channel 12) says on their website that they broadcast an HD signal at 44.1. I don't think it's picked up by Comcast though (at least not on my cable in Santa Rosa). From what everyone is saying, the HD channel will broadcast the standard definition version of Star Trek. Will it still look a little better though?
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post #140 of 1108
9/15/06 at 2:08pm

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Definitely, if the channel that will be playing it in my market is any indication. When they aren't playing HD, their quality is about that of DVD. Probably better, actually, as their feed is always reported as 1080i by my TV. Of course, this is OTA. I don't know how it would be over an actual cable line. I'm prepared for the broadcast to look marvelous, if I can see it through bloodshot eyes. I have no digital recorder, don't ya know.
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post #141 of 1108
9/15/06 at 2:18pm

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
I'm prepared for the broadcast to look marvelous, if I can see it through bloodshot eyes. I have no digital recorder, don't ya know.
It looks like DVR is the way to go here. It's almost as if they assume people will record it to watch, what with all these wacky broadcast times.
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post #142 of 1108
9/15/06 at 2:25pm

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Originally Posted by Bill Coolidge
Actually KBCW (channel 44 or cable channel 12) says on their website that they broadcast an HD signal at 44.1. I don't think it's picked up by Comcast though (at least not on my cable in Santa Rosa). From what everyone is saying, the HD channel will broadcast the standard definition version of Star Trek. Will it still look a little better though?

According to the review I posted above, the SD version was stunning looking. Sounds like they'll be sharper and more colorful then the current DVD's.

Channel 44.1 is digital. But since all the stations can't store the episodes in HD, we will see it in SD.
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post #143 of 1108
9/15/06 at 6:22pm

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I could get a DVR from my cable company for nothing, but I don't have a place for it right now. I put one under my DVD player, but I didn't like the heat factor at all. I took a disc out and could barely hold it it was so hot. That can't be good.
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post #144 of 1108
9/15/06 at 6:57pm

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Even in SD, these episodes should look far better than any previous broadcast or home video version.

The last film-to-video transfers of the episodes were done several years ago, and telecine technology (and techniques) have improved greatly in that time.

Also, I understand that they have gone back to the original negatives for the first time (rather than an inter-positive or inter-negative used on previous transfers) which should further improve the quality.

The new transfers have of course been done to HD resolution, which when down-sampled to SD, will look better than a transfer done at SD. This is the same reason why CDs sourced from 20- or 24-bit masters sound better than plain old 16 bit masters, even though the final CD still only has 16 bits of resolution.

Finally, all the dust, scratches, and other artifacts have been removed. When the DVDs came out, I read on another board that the BBC considered them to be "unfit for broadcast" due to the various flaws in the image.
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post #145 of 1108
9/16/06 at 8:10am

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My ABC channel is running it at 12:30am sunday morning!! Hooray! Hooray! My PBS Channel runs Red Dwarf at 11pm Saturday. All this classic scifi crammed late at night.

At least Balance of Terror is a kick ass episode. It'll be fun to see what they've done with this.
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post #146 of 1108
9/16/06 at 8:39am

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In related news, on Monday night at either 7 p.m. or 8 p.m. CST, HDNet will begin airing the high definition episodes of "Star Trek: Enterprise," beginning with Part 1 of the pilot episode, "Broken Bow." My local UPN station never broadcast in HD, so this will be my first opportunity to see "Enterprise" in full HD. This is not to invite criticisms of the series, however deserved they may be, but only to inform those who are interested and are able to view HDNet (I know it's available on DirecTV, since that's how I watch it), that they can see it and, for many people, for the first time in HD.
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post #147 of 1108
9/16/06 at 9:09am

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For those in the SF Bay Area, I just discovered that our station showing Star Trek (ch 44) will broadcast not only Balance of Terror Saturday evening at 11:00pm, but they will also broadcast Miri Sunday evening at 12:00am midnight. This is according to TV Guide.com and Titan TV's schedule.

Regarding Enterprise broadcast in HD, I'd be curious how those look compared to the DVD's. I thought the DVD's looked terrific on my HDTV. The HD broadcast probably looks better then the DVD's! Channel 44 here broadcast them in SD and windowboxed.
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post #148 of 1108
9/16/06 at 9:37am

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I read that Miri would be shown after Balance of Terror. Dont see it on the TiVo. It isnt on my DirecTV east and west NBC, but Balance of Terror is. As a matter of fact looking ahead next week will be Devil in the Dark.
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post #149 of 1108
9/16/06 at 6:02pm

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I can't find these enhanced Star Treks listed to be shown on my local CBS affiliate, WFOR, Channel 4 in Miami. Anyone know when it will be on here?
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post #150 of 1108
9/16/06 at 6:22pm

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Well, after watching Balance of Terror, the most amazing part of the show was the end credits.... they showed them all, no voice over... no squishing to show another show's advertisement.

As for the show itself, the changes were not so obtrusive and startling as I thought they would be. Actually they were rather subtle, the only ones I saw were those of exterior shots, the ships, the comet, "phaser" torpedoes, etc. It did look good. The music was vibrant and clear. The colors as well. Everything looked and sounded good.

However... the show was SEVERELY editted. Whole scenes removed, reaction shots removed, other scenes editted. A big negative in my view and I think reduced the quality of the story.

All in all, while interesting to see how it was "enhanced", the bottom line is it did not really add anything to the show. Now I didn't see this in Hi-Def, so maybe that in itself is the problem, but Star Trek is still great in its original presentation. I will be viewing the other eps to see the enhancements done to those shows.

Unfortunately, it seems we will have to wait for the inevitable Hi Def DVDs to be released to see the, hopefully, complete and uneditted show and all its enhancements that go with it.
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