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post #1021 of 1108

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Originally Posted by RickER
I put this episode right above Spocks Brain, Platos Stepchildren, and, And the Children Shall Lead. I hate to see Spock so "hip" and "cool". I always wonder if Nimoy cringed at jamming with his harp? With a chick playing a bicycle wheel at that! Most of all i hate how the songs stick with me for about a week after i see it. Anyone notice the Galileo II?

If you think about it, and its best you dont...its really the Galileo II/7.

herbert! herbert! herbert! herbert! herbert!
post #1022 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Michael Rogers
herbert! herbert! herbert! herbert! herbert!

LOL, oh that was a good laugh. Strange, i told my wife when we were watching i was a little bit Herbert!

You damn kids keep off my lawn, or i will put acid down!
post #1023 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Ockeghem
Nelson,

I actually like The Way to Eden a lot. I think it's a great episode for teaching us somewhat about cults and the harm they can do if left to their own desires. Dr. Sevrin (Skip Homeier) is really good in his role. I really like the segment where Rad and Irina are on to him, especially the part about the books (Dr. Sevrin says he's gone beyond those texts); and also where Rad says something like "it does kill"--Dr. Sevrin again has to cover up the holes in his teaching, filling their minds with nonsense that they (tragically) buy hook, line, and sinker. (I think he was telling them mostly what they wanted to hear.) And Adam is quite funny in this one, too. He played the space hippy role to the hilt.

One of the more intriguing parts of the episode has to do with Spock and his interrogation of Dr. Sevrin. For some reason, Spock knows that Dr. Sevrin is insane (he tells Kirk that he has yet to consult McCoy, but that he has no doubt of it); what is interesting to me is that if it were not for the music cues at this point, I might not have suspected anything. If you listen to the segment closely, the music is introduced right at the point where the thought processes of Dr. Sevrin begin to come across as erratic. Granted, I don't know how Spock deduced he was insane, but somehow he knows. This to me is the intriguing part.

Intersting to dig past the top level of this episode and look at the underlying building blocks of this story. Your post and another thing I read about this episode recently reminded me, Severin was like Charlies Manson and could have been the inspiration for this episode. He was pretty whacked! He had his Severin family. This could have been handled better and this could have been a good episode. Reminds me of Spock's Brain, I read it was altered to be serious when it was meant to be funny.

I specifically looked for the shot of the shuttlecraft name! The film was so clean, you could almost see where they repainted that area.

I agree it was silly for them to take them out of the shuttlecraft and onto the acid grass. Even Kirk at one point looked to be resting his hand on the ground.
post #1024 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Intersting to dig past the top level of this episode and look at the underlying building blocks of this story. Your post and another thing I read about this episode recently reminded me, Severin was like Charlies Manson and could have been the inspiration for this episode. He was pretty whacked! He had his Severin family. This could have been handled better and this could have been a good episode. Reminds me of Spock's Brain, I read it was altered to be serious when it was meant to be funny.
Nelson,

That's interesting. I hadn't even thought of the comparison to the 'family,' even though I just watched that film a couple of weeks ago.

I have to admit also that sometimes I like a show depending on the reaction of my children to it. They all love The Way to Eden; and of course, And the Children Shall Lead (since they as children get to see other children in an episode).
post #1025 of 1108

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Trekmovie has another preview image for this weekend's Requiem for Methuselah, one of my favorite 3rd Season episodes. This is a really nice matte painting, Flint lives very well!

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Looks like Queen Amidala's winter home.
post #1027 of 1108

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Very becoming a man of Flint's enormous talents.
post #1028 of 1108

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That's a great shot. Didn't the original episode reuse the image of the castle from The Cage/The Menagerie?

One of the things I love best about these alien world scenes are the other planets/moons hanging in the sky. It gives the scene an exotic look, like nothing we've ever seen on earth.
post #1029 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Sam Favate
One of the things I love best about these alien world scenes are the other planets/moons hanging in the sky. It gives the scene an exotic look, like nothing we've ever seen on earth.
Agreed. I love the opticals used in TOS. One of my favorites is the one used for Janus VI; others I love are the ones used for The Cage (and/or The Menagerie).
post #1030 of 1108

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The original Flint castle was a reuse of the painting for the castle on Rigel in The Cage and The Menagerie.

I realized there was something not quite the same about this Max Gabl painting compared to the other's he'd done for Trek Remastered. The ones he's done before were all based on the original matted painting, either a new version of basically the same designs, or new paintings that use the same style and design aesthetic of the originals. The buildings all had that style and design of what designers were doing for futuristic architecture of the late 50's and mid 60's. This new painting definitely feels more influenced by the new Star Wars, eps 1, 2 and 3.

It does look terrific!
post #1031 of 1108

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Saw Requiem and it looked pretty cool! I only saw the first 15 minutes or so and will watch the rest when time allows.

They did the same thing they did for Amok Time, Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Flint are animated into that new matte paint walking along that bridge from the right side to the left. The orbital shots were cool too as you can see the new planet rendered in purples and earthtones and the two moons in orbit. A nice change from the Earth-like planets done in blues.

Thy didn't alter the shot where Flint shrinks the Enterprise down to the 3 foot model on the set, just of course, the new CGI shots in orbit. And there's a nice aft view shot as the enterprise leaves the planet.

Next week Kirk meets President Lincoln in The Savage Curtain. (He evoked Lincoln!, maybe some of you will know the non-Star Trek source of that line I quoted)
post #1032 of 1108

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This weekend of July 12 and 13, the Star Trek Remastered airs The Cloud Minders.

Here are some cool preview images from CBS Digital that were posted at Trekmovie. The site says that if you look closely at the center top of the image, you might catch a glimpse of Droxine on her balcony.


This image has an interesting story I didn't know about. The original shot was taken from space, in 1965 by Gemini iV. The image is of Hadramawt Plateau dry river basin in southern Saudi Arabia. The remastering team worked with NASA to find the original image.

Both images are obviously 16 x 9. Interesting how they used the image of the dry river basin and extended for the 3/4 view shot above with the new CGI Stratos in the sky
post #1033 of 1108

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Love the new look of the Cloud City.
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Yes Lou, I agree. And they avoided too much influences of the Cloud City Bespin of Star Wars.

I think it's cool that they went the distance of getting NASA involved to track down the original obital shot of that dry river basin.
post #1035 of 1108

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It's puzzling NASA couldn't help them upgrade the Saturn V launch footage used in "Assignment Earth" while they were at it.
post #1036 of 1108

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Well how could they? Star Trek's special effects department was better than NASA's.
post #1037 of 1108

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If anyone's interested, Spectre of the Gun airs this weekend, then 2 more episodes left till the end.

Next week is The Empath and then the week following is Turnabout Intruder, the last Remastered Production episode to air and the last Star Trek episode filmed.

The Cage is said to be airing in the 2008-2009 TV season. No more details, so that might mean the Remastered Series will continue to air in syndication, or it's a special. Maybe timed with the new Star Trek film?

Ethan, I just re-read your post and it just sunk in!
post #1038 of 1108

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Thought it was interesting enough to post some images of the new effects for Spectre of the Gun. I was surprised as I had not seen this episode in a while. I thought the old buoy was a pretty good model, but I rewatched the opening and it does move with some jerkyness. So the new CGI version and the Enteprise move around each other very smoothly. The new bouy is pretty good too.

What surprised me was they left the Melkotian alone in the first act and used the Mike Minor designed model. But the last shot uses a CGI Melkotian! It works pretty well as it's blurred enough to not be clear it's not the same model.

This was a really good episode in that it felt the most like a first season episode, specifically The Corbomite Maneuver. Not clear why Gene Coon used his other name Lee Cronin here unless he disliked the episode.

With the third season budget slashed to pennies, they were very creative with the set design. And the music was top notch in this episode.

Lots of trivia for this episode, maybe it's time to write some up!

post #1039 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Thought it was interesting enough to post some images of the new effects for Spectre of the Gun. I was surprised as I had not seen this episode in a while. I thought the old buoy was a pretty good model, but I rewatched the opening and it does move with some jerkyness. So the new CGI version and the Enteprise move around each other very smoothly. The new bouy is pretty good too.

What surprised me was they left the Melkotian alone in the first act and used the Mike Minor designed model. But the last shot uses a CGI Melkotian! It works pretty well as it's blurred enough to not be clear it's not the same model.

This was a really good episode in that it felt the most like a first season episode, specifically The Corbomite Maneuver. Not clear why Gene Coon used his other name Lee Cronin here unless he disliked the episode.

With the third season budget slashed to pennies, they were very creative with the set design. And the music was top notch in this episode.

Lots of trivia for this episode, maybe it's time to write some up!

Nelson,

Those are some wonderful images. Thanks for posting them. And I look forward to that trivia.
post #1040 of 1108

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Sure Scott, thanks for commenting!

Now thinking about it some, I wonder if they really made a CGI Melkotian and just took an image and Photoshopped it and recomposited in with a new starfield at the end. The way the Melkotian puppet was lit, the new Melkotian in the last shot looks exactly like the original.
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Sure Scott, thanks for commenting!

Now thinking about it some, I wonder if they really made a CGI Melkotian and just took an image and Photoshopped it and recomposited in with a new starfield at the end. The way the Melkotian puppet was lit, the new Melkotian in the last shot looks exactly like the original.
Nelson,

You're welcome. I appreciate seeing your images for the remastered episodes.

One of the things I love about Spectre Of the Gun (first produced third season episode, but not the first aired) is the 'out' the Melkots gave Kirk and crew. And this episode also has one of those gems as far as Kirk's (or rather, Shatner's) acting is concerned. It occurs when Spock is trying to explain to him that the physical laws must apply (the 'staggering contradiction' context); Kirk hears Spock, but is not listening to Spock. It will sink in later, but not at the moment Spock is saying it. Shatner pulls this off very well, and I believe it only happens about four or five times in the series. I'll have to recall a few of the other times this occurs.
post #1042 of 1108

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Star Trek Remastered will air Turnabout Intruder this weekend August 2, this is the last filmed and originally aired episode and the end of the Remastered shows too!

We'll, not exactly the end. The Cage has still not aired. Not sure when. Trekmovie reports it will air.
post #1043 of 1108

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TrekMovie has their review of The Empath. Looks like they reduced the rolling effect during the recovery scenes with Gem. Always loved this episode. Its full of great character moments.
post #1044 of 1108

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I missed The Empath! From the description at Trekmovie, it sounded like they digitally blended, or morphed the effect when Gem takes on McCoy's injuries. I agree it was a great episode.
post #1045 of 1108

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Indeed - Spock's reaction to McCoys sneak hypo shot, McCoy's observation of Spock's bedside manner, and the reaction from Gem when she touches Spock.
post #1046 of 1108

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Well, that's all folks for Remastered Star Trek TOS, Turnabout Intruder just aired in the San Francisco Bay Area. The only thing left to air is The Cage.

This episode had very little in the way of effects. I saw most of it, and it looks like they left the transference effect as it was. I do like the new ship CGI shots for the most part. They still suffer from some awkward compositions and what look like shortcuts. Some shots the ship's perspective and course of flight don't match the position of planets and such. But minor.

I was wondering if they might do anything special and I was right. They had one nice, though awkward angle, of the Enterprise flying off into astronomical sunset. TNG did it better, but I like that they did do something. See screen captures below.

Two bits of trivia. I recall reading many years ago that William Shatner had a disagreement with the director with the briefing room scene. After Lester/Kirk has her hysterical tirade with Spock, Lester/Kirk storms off to the left, but the door was to the right of the set. Shatner (and according to Memory Alpha wiki, the rest of the cast also argued about this) lost the argument with Herb Wallerstein and went stage left. Shatner felt that the fans would know there is no door to the left and it showed they all still cared.

Turns out that someone important to Star Trek also happen to pass away the week before this episode aired. Anyone know? And in addition, what caused this episode to be pre-empted and delayed it's broadcast from May to June?

For the longest time, I thought this episode was delayed in filming because of the uncertainty of whether the series would go on for a fourth season, which was why Majel Barrett's hair wasn't blonde here. But I guess I was wrong.

Here are two screen caps, the first shot of the episode in orbit and the last shot of the series:


edit: Jeff Bond has a nice review of Turnabout Intruder. The article has screen shots from every Star Trek series finale to illustrate how TOS now has it's own final shot of the ship boldly going where man has gone before.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/03/turn...o-screenshots/
post #1047 of 1108

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I dont have a clue Nelson, about your trivia questions. I always wondered why the last episode was aired a month after the episode before.
post #1048 of 1108

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Two bits of trivia. I recall reading many years ago that William Shatner had a disagreement with the director with the briefing room scene. After Lester/Kirk has her hysterical tirade with Spock, Lester/Kirk storms off to the left, but the door was to the right of the set. Shatner (and according to Memory Alpha wiki, the rest of the cast also argued about this) lost the argument with Herb Wallace and went stage left. Shatner felt that the fans would know there is no door to the left and it showed they all still cared.
Nelson,

Fascinating! I had no idea about this bit of trivia. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Turns out that someone important to Star Trek also happen to pass away the week before this episode aired. Anyone know? And in addition, what caused this episode to be pre-empted and delayed it's broadcast from May to June?
Just taking a stab -- Gene L. Coon?
post #1049 of 1108

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Good guess Scott. It was someone else actually. Rick, Scott, I'll reveal the answer later in case someone else has the answer.
post #1050 of 1108

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I have no idea on either question Nelson. Look forward to the answers.
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