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post #91 of 142
11/21/06 at 11:23am
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My only hope for the rest of this season and next is that Clay Davis gets what's coming to him. The actor that plays him does a great job being slimy.
I share the sentiment, but I have a feeling that we're going to be disappointed. Davis is the ultimate survivor, and he's clearly spent years perfecting the art of playing everyone and still coming out smiling. Clay Davis is what Prop Joe dreams of being and can't quite manage.

In the episode you just watched (currently only available through on demand), there's a sequence involving Freamon's old subpoenas that I think pretty much lays out how things are going to proceed as far as Davis and his ilk are concerned. (I'm being vague so as not to spoil anything.)

As an aside, in the past few months, I've seen five members of The Wire cast in local theater productions, each time playing someone totally different from their Wire character with complete conviction and credibility. One of them was Isiah Whitlock, Jr., who plays Davis. The depth of acting talent on this show is astonishing.

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post #92 of 142
11/21/06 at 1:04pm

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Quick question: Is anyone disappointed with this season? i am totally enjoying it. i don't know where i would rank it yet with the other seasons, but i have loved each of the episodes that have been on.
I am totally enjoying every episode this season. I would rank this season as being as good as the first season.
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post #93 of 142
11/22/06 at 5:38am

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I watched Sunday's episode last night and it appears that there will be a lot of things left unresolved this year. I am trying to decide how they are going to conclude many of the issues that have come the forefront in this episode.
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post #94 of 142
11/22/06 at 11:35am

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I'm disappointed that there are only 2 episodes left after having watched the latest last night.
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post #95 of 142
11/26/06 at 7:03pm

can someone please explain why the WIRE is a repeat right now?

it is 10pm, hbo said stay tuned for a brand new wire, yet every freaking sunday at 10pm it is last weeks episode.

why????
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post #96 of 142
11/27/06 at 3:07pm

Re: can someone please explain why the WIRE is a repeat right now?

Well I watch the "preview" on On Demand every week and that is what has been transmitted on Sunday.
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post #97 of 142
11/27/06 at 5:49pm
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Re: can someone please explain why the WIRE is a repeat right now?

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it is 10pm, hbo said stay tuned for a brand new wire, yet every freaking sunday at 10pm it is last weeks episode.

why????
Because the episode is "new" to HBO. But it's already been available for six days through HBO On Demand, which is apparently how you're watching them. This has been discussed in the dedicated thread for season 4, of which your thread is now a part.

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post #98 of 142
11/27/06 at 8:54pm
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Just finished watching the very eventful episode entitled "That's Got His Own". It's episode #49 of the series, #12 of season 4. It will premiere as a "new" episode on HBO next Sunday, Dec. 3. People with On Demand can watch it anytime this week starting today (Nov. 27).

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post #99 of 142
11/29/06 at 10:20am

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I think the last episode had line of the season for me.

Omar to Prop Joe while sticking a gun in his face -

"Tickle my fancy, fat man."

That just killed me when he said that.

I have a sneaking suspicion that season 5 is going to revolve around all of the bodies pulled out by Lester. The media is going to have a hay day with that. Also, with the revival of the MCU, i have to think that McNulty is going to be back in the fold next season.

You have to feel bad for Dukie. Since he is being moved up to High School he is losing his safety blankets - friends, his computer and Mr. Prez. I feel bad for him. And, it sure doesn't look like it is going to end up good for the other three boys.

I can't wait to see what the last 2 weeks bring.
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post #100 of 142
11/30/06 at 7:18am
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I have a sneaking suspicion that season 5 is going to revolve around all of the bodies pulled out by Lester.
Another possibility is that it will revolve around a corruption investigation resulting from Lester's subpoenas. He's always wanted to follow the money, and with Daniels and Carcetti, he might just get a chance.

M.
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post #101 of 142
11/30/06 at 8:54am

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I thought I read somewhere that next season will focus on politics.

If you haven't seen #49, see it.
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post #102 of 142
11/30/06 at 11:13am

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I thought this was an interesting post over at tivocommunity by Bob Szafranski:

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Has anyone read that this season the kid's storyline is basically the back stories of Stringer (Randy, snitch, biz savvy) Avon (Michael, boxer, natural instincts for the street) D'Angelo (Namond, mom forced him in the game, but but heart for it) and Bubbles (Dukie, smart - little shaky on this correlation)?
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post #103 of 142
11/30/06 at 11:13am

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You guys are probably right. it does make sense that next year would focus on politics. but i would love it if the season focused on the aftermath of finding 20-30 bodies in the vacant houses. I'm pretty sure that they said that the focus of the season would be on mass media, but i won't swear to it.

I watched the 2nd to last episode and thought it was another really good one. Hard to believe that there is only 4 more days until the last episode is available. I'll miss the wire until season 5.
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post #104 of 142
11/30/06 at 12:10pm

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You guys are probably right. it does make sense that next year would focus on politics. but i would love it if the season focused on the aftermath of finding 20-30 bodies in the vacant houses.
Doubt it. The scope of the show has been steadily expanding since the first season, and I expect it that to continue, not narrow down.

I am not even sure it's accurate to charactize this season as focusing on education, as he has been common practice. It is true that the fours kids have had more combined screen time that just about anyone else, but politics has been very preeminent well, and while we were getting acquainted with the kids, the election was the engine of season's first half.

Speaking of politics, I don't know how much more focus the show can take before becoming an all-out political drama. I doubt they will be going there. What I do expect to see, is a rude awakening for Carcetti's optimism, a locking of steps with a system which isn't gonna change overnight (if it does at all) or worse, an eventual descent into corruption. Basically, "A New Day My Ass" . See McNulty, Colvin and even Bell, for the cost of trying to change the system/institution in Baltimore. Carcetti might get lucky to be merely absorbed (corrupted).

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I'm pretty sure that they said that the focus of the season would be on mass media, but i won't swear to it
It is more likely that the media aspect will be skillfully weaved woven into the rich tapestry they've been crafting for 4 seasons along side everything else.

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post #105 of 142
11/30/06 at 2:48pm
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I'm pretty sure that they said that the focus of the season would be on mass media, but i won't swear to it.
Simon said that when HBO renewed for a fifth season. But I think Holadem is right that the media focus will be woven into existing storylines. Every season adds a new layer.

M.
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post #106 of 142
12/6/06 at 5:54am
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I watched the season 4 finale last night. It's about 20 minutes longer than each of the preceding 12 episodes, and none of the extra time is wasted. There were many small moments that should put a smile on the faces of long-time fans, plus a few plot developments that hint at an underlying humanity (sometimes in the unlikeliest places), but the series maintains its overall tragic trajectory.

I'll leave it at that for now so as to avoid spoilers. After next Sunday, we should have a lot to discuss.

M.
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post #107 of 142
12/6/06 at 6:42am

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Wow. This is the only show I've watched that actually gives me goosebumps...

I'm sad that the season is over.
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post #108 of 142
12/6/06 at 6:53am

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Michael,
Thanks for offering just enough to get me "psyched" to watched the last episode without giving anything away. I must resist going to this thread until I have also seen the last episode.

I am going to miss this show. When will the 5th, and final season begin?
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post #109 of 142
12/6/06 at 8:00am
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When will the 5th, and final season begin?
At the end of this article about Andre Royo ("Bubbles"), it says shooting begins in March for a late 2007 or early 2008 run.

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post #110 of 142
12/6/06 at 8:31am

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There were many small moments that should put a smile on the faces of long-time fans, plus a few plot developments that hint at an underlying humanity (sometimes in the unlikeliest places)
Would you elaborate in a spoiler box? I have to watch the last couple of eps again I think. Unfortunately I am going away for a month in a few days and with limited internet access, will be missing much of the post season discussion.

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post #111 of 142
12/6/06 at 10:15am
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Would you elaborate in a spoiler box?
Some examples that spring to mind (and if you haven't seen the finale, read further at your own risk):

Seriously.

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Bodie's conversation with McNulty at the arboretum.

Landsman letting Bubbles go, even though it deprives him of an easy clearance.

Wee-Bey agreeing to let Colvin "adopt" Namond, over his wife's objections. The sit-down between Wee-Bey and Colvin was some of the finest work I've ever seen, on this show or anywhere else.

M.
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post #112 of 142
12/6/06 at 10:32am

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There were many small moments that should put a smile on the faces of long-time fans, plus a few plot developments that hint at an underlying humanity (sometimes in the unlikeliest places), but the series maintains its overall tragic trajectory.
M.

You said that perfectly. My wife watched the final with me the other night but she is not a follower of the show. Many times she would say "what are you laughing at" or "what are you smiling about" but if you have watched this show since the begining you will understand.
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post #113 of 142
12/6/06 at 10:34am

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Season Finale spoilers follow:

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Bodie's conversation with McNulty at the arboretum.
Interesting. That is one of the very rare scene in the entire series that didn't work for me, especially in contrast to their brief meeting in a diner a couple of episodes back. I understand that some sort of mutual respect may have developed over time between the two, but McNulty telling Bodie (paraphrasing) "you're a true soldier" with this look of deep respect was too much. I just don't see anything that warrants that attitude from McNulty. Bunk's relationship with Omar is handled better: he may be aware of Omar's code, but that doesn't mean he likes him or worse, respects him.

The McNulty-Bodie scene, along with Carver's breakdown in the car made me wonder for a second if someone else had written the episode. I am used to subtler writing on this series.
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post #114 of 142
12/6/06 at 10:44am

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Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
There were many small moments that should put a smile on the faces of long-time fans, plus a few plot developments that hint at an underlying humanity (sometimes in the unlikeliest places), but the series maintains its overall tragic trajectory.
M.

You said that perfectly. My wife watched the final with me the other night but she is not a follower of the show. Many times she would say "what are you laughing at" or "what are you smiling about" but if you have watched this show since the beginning you will understand.
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post #115 of 142
12/6/06 at 11:05am
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Holadem --

This will be my last spoiler post. I don't want to add to anyone's temptation.
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I was thinking more of Bodie's side of the conversation, not McNulty's -- specifically, Bodie's revulsion at Marlo's tendency toward indiscriminate slaughter. A cynical survivor like Poot would just shrug it off.

As far as McNulty's attitude, I didn't read it that way. McNulty was cultivating a potential snitch, nothing deeper. He didn't respect Bodie; he just wanted something from him. Why else get him released and then make a point of taking credit for it? (McNulty's out of practice, too. In the old days, he wouldn't have been foolish enough to pick up Bodie from central booking. A fatal mistake, as it turned out.)

M.
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post #116 of 142
12/7/06 at 6:52am

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Well we'll get back to it later I guess. That will gimme a chance to re-watch the ep.

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post #117 of 142
12/7/06 at 8:23am
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This one doesn't need a spoiler, and I couldn't resist.

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I am used to subtler writing on this series.
Yeah, the former mayor's blowjob scene was a real masterpiece of subtlety.

The Wire has never shied away from big emotional moments. They just have to be earned. I thought all the ones in this finale were. Well, maybe one spoiler:

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Remember that Carver feels a lot of guilt over Randy and his foster mother, who's now in a burn ward despite Carver's promises of protection. And Carver knows full well what will happen to Randy in the group home.

M.
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post #118 of 142
12/7/06 at 8:39am

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Speaking of the Mayor's bit-o-fun, Herc's story was the least interesting, and at the same time most frustrating this season. What a meathead.

In a season full of great moments, my favorite one was perhaps Lester's "this is a tomb" breakthrough in the vacants. A very understated moment given how long we've been waiting for it, yet extremely rewarding nonetheless (goosebumps!).

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post #119 of 142
12/11/06 at 9:36am

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i've gotta say, for some reason, this season didn't really grab me at first. i loved the police stuff, the Carchetti stuff, and the stuff on the streets, but whenever we got to the stuff at school, it just lost me. i don't know why, but for whatever reason, i just couldn't come to know and relate, nor care too much for the kids in school.

but these last three or four episodes have been top notch, reminding me just why this show is the best show on tv, and the finale was just mind-blowingly staggering. and i may have to go back and re-watch my tape copies and re-assess my opinion of the season.

got a couple things to mention, and i'll spoilerize just in case people are still waiting to watch it.

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Bubbles. i really thought that was the end of him, especially since i know that Simon wrote the obituary for the real guy his character is based on. shocking.

shock #2. Bodie. wow. just.....................wow.

the guy that Michael popped at the end, was that someone we had seen before and knew, or just some random corner guy? i didn't get a real good look at him in the darkness and such, so not sure.

Cuddy and the nurse.

Bodie. wow
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post #120 of 142
12/11/06 at 12:12pm

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Michael killed the guy that snitched on bodie, or at least thats what it looked like to me
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