Home Theater Forum › Home Theater Forum › Entertainment › TV Programming › Survivor: Cook Islands
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Survivor: Cook Islands - Page 4

post #91 of 397
9/19/06 at 3:18pm

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

FYI - CBS is allowing Survivor and many other shows On Demand for free this year. So if you miss one Thursday, just watch it for free on Friday. I hope all tv follows this trend
Reply
post #92 of 397
9/21/06 at 5:54pm

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

WTF? Billy and Candace forever.

Oh, yeah. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The idol has been found
Reply
post #93 of 397
9/21/06 at 7:15pm

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

That was hilarious. I hope Probst asks Candace about that at some point.
Reply
post #94 of 397
9/21/06 at 8:24pm

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

I also believe he would have lasted longer on the HeavyMetal tribe. Next years division of tribes should be Matal, Opera, New Age, Soul, Jazz and Acapella for exile Island.
Best
Greg
Reply
post #95 of 397
9/21/06 at 8:40pm

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Hi gang! I'm new to these threads which follow running shows, so I'm not sure this has been discussed before (either this season or last), but does anyone else not like it when they divide the survivors into four tribes? I think it really limits the amount of time we can spend getting to know the individuals. It makes it harder to assimilate who's who. Coverage is way too scattered.

When you start right off with two distinct tribes it really seems to make it a lot easier to follow how relationships are shaping up and understanding the characters that are making up each tribe's identity.

My family have been huge Survivor fans since the Outback and caught up on Season 1 via DVD.

Quote:
I also believe he would have lasted longer on the HeavyMetal tribe. Next years division of tribes should be Matal, Opera, New Age, Soul, Jazz and Acapella for exile Island.

I can just picture the New Age contestants sitting around and meditating in a rock garden ala Bruce.
Reply
post #96 of 397
9/21/06 at 9:04pm
Thread Starter 

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
does anyone else not like it when they divide the survivors into four tribes? I think it really limits the amount of time we can spend getting to know the individuals.

Actually, I think they focus on everyone more--they have to spend some time on each tribe, and the less people in the tribe, the more they're able to focus on each person--take Palau for instance, everytime Koror got airtime, it was all Tom, Ian, and Coby. Then it would go back to Ulong and focus on James, Steph, and Bobby Jon.

Great episode tonight.
Reply
post #97 of 397
9/21/06 at 9:10pm

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

I'm just glad the gals didn't fall for Billy's BS, and Billy probably hurt himself with that whole "Billy + Candace = 4Ever" revelation at tribal council.

Yul Rules.
Reply
post #98 of 397
9/21/06 at 10:57pm

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Man, Billy took the short bus to the Cook Islands, didn't he? I was telling my wife that Billy appeared to be emotionally and developmentally around 10 or 12 years old and I doubted that he was really in a band at all -- he's delusional and just thinks he's a heavy metal musician. My wife thought he was merely socially retarded, which he definitely is. After the jaw-dropping "love at first sight" thing at TC, my wife gave me my props and agreed that he has some sort of arrested development. He's got "still lives with Mom" written all over him.

You have to check out the actual exchange with Candace again (it happens right after the IC). What seemed to be innocuous small talk is, in context, totally hilarious -- that stalkerish smile when he says, "I love you" is crazy funny.

Speaking of arrested emotional development, looking at Flicka nauseates me. She's a gross mess of a person, just trying all sorts of ways to stand out in the worst way possible. The way they kept blurring her lower back made me think she had an obscene tatoo, because unless she has a really high ass crack, it just didn't look like there was enough showing to warrant the blurring. But apparently, she doesn't even have a lower back tatoo -- it's just an over-zealous censor at CBS. This from the network that brought you the Victoria's Secret runway show.
Reply
post #99 of 397
9/22/06 at 6:08am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

I will begin by saying that I think you should never try to lose a challenge. I just don't understand why you would do that anytime during the game. It seems like a better idea to keep Billy around and just know he is the first to go when you do lose.

Now on to Billy. WTF was that! My reward is that I fell in love. Another classic Survivor moment.
Reply
post #100 of 397
9/22/06 at 6:15am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Jeff Probst's reaction to Billy's declaration of love was great, he had that "you've got to be shitting me" look in response to what Billy said.
Reply
post #101 of 397
9/22/06 at 6:28am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

And if you throw a challenge, at least make it look like you're trying.
Reply
post #102 of 397
9/22/06 at 6:44am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Purposefully losing a member at this stage of the game is just pure insanity. You are putting yourself at a numbers disadvantage out of the gate -- they could have just as easily made him the first to go when it was his turn instead of forcing the issue. When the time comes when each tribe has to vote out a member (which will happen at least once considering there are 20 castaways) they will really regret their decision. OTOH, it's possible Billy was beyond the pale horrible to be around and between the food he was taking and the weird vibes he was giving off. Maybe it was the snoring.

BTW, Billy also has "still a virgin" written all over him.

Also, when they chose Yul to go to Exile Island, my wife (who is not Asian) said, "Why are they sending the Asian guy to Exile Island? It's like they're giving him the immunity idol." I chuckled at the time, but she was serious. She was also correct.

They gotta make the clues harder. I think Yul could have gotten it from the first set of clues.
Reply
post #103 of 397
9/22/06 at 6:45am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

As creepy as Billy was, Ozzy is just purely a smug slimeball. I was hoping the girls would flip it around and vote Ozzy out.

Was it just me, or did it seem like the hidden idol was easier to find this year? The clues were more straightforward and obvious. Seems like the producers wanted it in play longer to increase the chance of it being used.
Reply
post #104 of 397
9/22/06 at 6:51am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

I don't know that the idol was easier to find. It just seemed to me that more effort was put into finding it. Did you see the size of the hole that he dug? I can see a lot of people just digging a few inches down and then moving to another spot.
Reply
post #105 of 397
9/22/06 at 7:15am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

BTW, Ozzy is Blossom era Joey Lawrence. I keep expecting him to go, "Whoa!"

While I appreciate that it took some effort to dig up the idol, it didn't take much to locate the idol. I think the determined contestants wouldn't quit after 2 inches.
Reply
post #106 of 397
9/22/06 at 8:04am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo
Also, when they chose Yul to go to Exile Island, my wife (who is not Asian) said, "Why are they sending the Asian guy to Exile Island? It's like they're giving him the immunity idol." I chuckled at the time, but she was serious. She was also correct.
Under the circumstance, from their perspective, they made the right choice. They don't know the intelligence level of any of the other players so they had to choose the greatest physical threat from the strongest team.
Reply
post #107 of 397
9/22/06 at 8:44am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

The whole Exile Island thing has not been used strategically enough. The issue is that whoever is sent could find the immunity idol, meaning that choice is potentially a backfire. Sending the strongest/most capable to Exile island to weaken the tribe just doesn't work -- it didn't work last season, where it at least rained to give the exiles a hard time. They should always send the person least likely to find the idol, not the most likely.
Reply
post #108 of 397
9/22/06 at 9:21am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo
BTW, Ozzy is Blossom era Joey Lawrence. I keep expecting him to go, "Whoa!"
FIXED!

I've been calling him "the Blue Lagoon Dude".


(Not actor Christopher Atkins but a suitable stand-in)

I think they should've voted him off instead. That's how my strategy would work. Blue Lagoon dude is too much of a player. He'll probably win.
Reply
post #109 of 397
9/22/06 at 9:24am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo
The whole Exile Island thing has not been used strategically enough. The issue is that whoever is sent could find the immunity idol, meaning that choice is potentially a backfire. Sending the strongest/most capable to Exile island to weaken the tribe just doesn't work -- it didn't work last season, where it at least rained to give the exiles a hard time. They should always send the person least likely to find the idol, not the most likely.
Do you mean send the person least likely to find the idol from the strongest team? Or from any team? Given that the Asians are the strongest team, how do you pick the one least likely to find the idol if you don't know anything about them? From any team, for that matter. Intelligence is not something that is detectable by physical appearance.

True, in the past, the exiled person hasn't really suffered much physically, but there are other ways he could be affected. Less bonding time, less time to strategize with other players, etc.
Reply
post #110 of 397
9/22/06 at 9:33am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

James: That picture was totally unnecessary to the discussion-at-hand!
Reply
post #111 of 397
9/22/06 at 9:55am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Agreed that they should have voted Ozzy out. He's an obvious threat, and once again I'm amazed at how the people in the show vote with annoyance factors rather than strategy.
Reply
post #112 of 397
9/22/06 at 10:02am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

But that's the thing, in the early phase of the game, if you're a player in the game, do you go all "Hunter" and boot out the strongest of the tribe and leave your tribe weaker in the immunity challenges which leave yourself vulnerable for the boot at tribal council, or do you boot off the lazy, less-worthy, non-productive members of the tribe, regardless of their physical superiority over you at this point in the game? Sometimes you have to align with people who can keep you around in the game longer, and that means keeping Ozzy in the game longer because he gives you a better chance of not going to tribal council, which furthers you in the game for the time being.
Reply
post #113 of 397
9/22/06 at 10:05am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

One other change that would be interesting is that not only does the exile person go to exile island, but that person can't compete in the next immunity challenge. That would make it worthwhile to cripple a better team in that fashion (even if the exiled finds the immunity idol, it has a better chance of being put into play if that team falters and ends up at tribal council).
Reply
post #114 of 397
9/22/06 at 10:40am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Survivor strategy has two phases: team and individual. The objectives for each are opposite which makes this game so darn fascinating. Early on, teammates with strength and resourcefulness are a benefit as they help carry the team to rewards and immunity. Kicking out the strong then is cutting your own throat; you'll keep loosing in immunity challenges and be decimated. To paraphrase Patton, make the other poor bastard die for his country and force other tribes to vote out folks. When the merge occurs, the game becomes individual, and these same strong leaders become threats and must become targets. The game is designed to foster betrayal because the rules change midstream. Ozzy collects food, competes strongly in challenges and puts the tribe in good position for survival week to week. Voting him out early is insane. Billy was a liability to the tribe for the same reason. Having said that, deliberately losing the challenge was insane. Time will come when you will lose despite your best efforts. Better to jetison dead-wood then.
Reply
post #115 of 397
9/22/06 at 10:50am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Quote:
Do you mean send the person least likely to find the idol from the strongest team? Or from any team?
Find that guy or girl with that totally lost look on their face from any team and send them. Don't send the person who looks capable. I know this isn't scientific, but there are always a couple of people where you just know by looking at them.

Patrick is right -- unless there's more of a penalty for going to Exile Island (more than just being a bummer), it's gimmicky more than an effective strategy. I could see people getting lost in the shuffle if there were two tribes of 8 each, but there are only 5 members in each tribe -- it's not like Yun's going to come back feeling alienated from the tribe and out of cliques.

This is one of the weaknesses with having only 5 members -- you don't get that clique within a tribe effect nearly as much. Two people with a bond is nothing like a 4 person clique in a 7 member tribe and having the other three looking in.
Reply
post #116 of 397
9/22/06 at 11:02am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthonyC
Actually, I think they focus on everyone more--they have to spend some time on each tribe, and the less people in the tribe, the more they're able to focus on each person--

You see, my perception's just the opposite. When you are spending time with the five people in one of four tribes, there are 15 (or so) others who are off-screen and not getting any "face" time.

The smaller tribes also, in my mind, make for a lesser dynamic at the early tribal councils. Instead of a group of eight which might include splintered factions, there are just 4 or 5 tribe members (out of 18 or so players left in the game). Again, we are getting less involvement from the other players during the actual broadcast.

During the Exile Island season last year, it really felt like the show took off when they merged to two tribes.
Reply
post #117 of 397
9/22/06 at 11:23am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo
Patrick is right -- unless there's more of a penalty for going to Exile Island (more than just being a bummer), it's gimmicky more than an effective strategy. I could see people getting lost in the shuffle if there were two tribes of 8 each, but there are only 5 members in each tribe -- it's not like Yun's going to come back feeling alienated from the tribe and out of cliques.

I don't remember anyone eating on exile island. So if you send the biggest physical threat there and they eat much less for two days than they would with their tribe, then maybe you are accomplishing something. Just a thought.
Reply
post #118 of 397
9/22/06 at 11:27am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
does anyone else not like it when they divide the survivors into four tribes? I think it really limits the amount of time we can spend getting to know the individuals. It makes it harder to assimilate who's who. Coverage is way too scattered.

I've been complaining the last couple of seasons that it seems they are showing less 'camp time' so that it's harder to get to know the survivors and what living with them is like for their tribemates. I feel just the opposite about this season, that we've gotten more camp time footage. The reason I point to is the combined immunity/reward challenge leaves a lot of extra air time that they fill with time in the camps. Funny that you and I could see it so differently.
Reply
post #119 of 397
9/22/06 at 11:41am

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Isn't Exile Island one night? It's after reward and they come back the next day for the immunity challenge. Only since there is a combined reward/immunity, they just come back the next day.

The only thing anyone really complained about was the weather back in Panama, but it's actually been very temperate so far this year.

One interesting thing is that the tribes seem relatively well fed this go around with the fish and whatnot, so being away from the tribe will be more of a factor. But it didn't seem like it really bothered Yun. Could you imagine if Billy were out there? He'd go apeshit. That's why I think it's more strategic to put someone wholly unprepared to go there, not someone who looks like they can handle themselves.
Reply
post #120 of 397
9/22/06 at 1:07pm

Re: Survivor: Cook Islands

Appearances can be deceiving. Ibrehem from season 10 looked like he could handle tough challenges but he practically gave up. And he didn't even have to deal with Exile Island.
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: TV Programming
Home Theater Forum › Home Theater Forum › Entertainment › TV Programming › Survivor: Cook Islands