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No. If he did that, then Yul would have targeted Jonathan the next Tibal Council. And it would be a 4 vs. 4 tie breaker.

Let's play the scenario:

1) Jonathan pretends he will go along with Aitu, but instead actually votes Yul.

2) Yul gets the most votes, then plays the idol, Nate gets eliminated.

3) Next Tribal Council, the 4 Aitu vote Jonathan, while the 4 Raro vote Yul.

4) Now we have a Yul and Jonathan tie breaker.

5) So now it's a Yul vs. Jonathan challenge for who gets eliminated.

So if you were Jonathan, why risk being the 13th person voted out, when by joining Yul you will have guaranteed at least a final 5 spot?

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I agree with Calvin. And it would only be 4-4 if Jonathan could hold the former Raros together without Nate, who would go home anyway when Yul used the idol. I think there's a good chance Adam, Candace or Parvati would love a chance to flip and vote out Jonathan. Not to mention, Yul and Ozzy are the favorites at every immunity challenge - mental or physical. Why make an enemy of Yul when you can have him as an ally? I don't think Yul promised Jonathan final two, but he did point out to him that one possible good move was to take the guy everyone hates to the final two. I think the best moves for Jonathan were to tell Raro Yul had the HII and vote off Ozzy, or side with Yul like he did.

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Someone pointed out on the Survivor Sucks board that Ozzy seemly idiotic strategy turned out working in his favor after all. When Ozzy convinced old Aitu to throw the immunity challenge to toss Billy, the reaction of viewers was overwhlemingly negative. Everyone was waiting for that gambit to blow up in his face.

In retrospect, the unintentional consequences of that decision ultimately saved Ozzy and his alliance from being Pagonged. After throwing the challenge (which they really had to do since Manihiki could barely get it together), Aitu voted Yul to go to Exile Island. Which is where he found the HII. Which is what he used as leverage to flip Jonathan and the game.

Seemed like such a bad decision at the time...

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OMG you're right...

LOL that's pretty damn funny.

Although had they not thrown the challenge, the black team probably would have lost(they were doing pretty poorly in that challenge).

And maybe the black team would have also sent Yul?

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Imagine if Yul had approached Candice instead of Jonathan.

Yul: Hey, you can join us...or we will vote you out tonight, and I have the idol, so it will bounce off of me to you. If you try to trick us...then next week I will target you.

Candice: You think you can blackmail me? Oh my god, you are such a conniving, manipulative, blahblahblah.

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I gotta say that I'm loving the animosity that brewed between Jonathan versus Candice, Adam and Parvati......I don't think I've seen such bold personal attacks since Borneo. This game is really turning ugly....and I can't wait to see the nastiness continue next week.

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Pretty entertaining episode, can't wait for more meltdowns. Wonder if Poverty will now make her move on Adam with Exile gone to the jury.

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I'm horrified with the thought that someone's gonna steal the HII. Is it just me?

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Not allowed to steal the HII? When was that said? I obviously missed it.

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Raro were a bunch of immature cry babies tonight.

Parvati: He is twice my age..but I am twice as mature as he is.

Oh please, miss "I'm gonna flirt my way through this game".

And it was so clear that Ozzy thought Raro were a bunch of lazy kids who didn't deserve to eat, yet Raro insists on saying that Jonathan is the only one who doesn't wanna feed them.

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We were all laughing out loud at that line, too! Probst really does handle himself pretty well.


I liked the clarification from Probst that the person who would use the HII needed to be in possession of it before the vote and that it could not be transferred after the vote.

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Nobody really disagreed with Jonathan's question about "do we really have to feed them?" I wondered if it might be a dumb move which could backfire on Yul. There was no need for him to want to antagonize the young 'uns that would likely end up on a jury voting his fate.

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I am extremely impressed with Yul. He may be the smartest player ever on Survivor: he's managed to turn the smaller tribe into the majority tribe, he's trusted and well liked, and he's a strong competitor.

As we watched last night, my girlfriend and I kept saying "The smart vote is either Candace or Parvati." Jonathan is pretty much in Aitu's back pocket right now, and the best thing is to eliminate the competition. I also wonder if Yul was serious about wanting Jonathan in the final two with him - if so, I think it's a pretty solid strategy. The only way it might backfire is if folks decide Jonathan was a better player than Yul.

Jonathan, until all of Raro is gone, needs now to lie low and just keep his mouth shut. That's his biggest weakness - wanting to overexplain and defend himself. After the auction, it's a notoriously bad move to wax eloquent about the food you bought and couldn't share.

We LOVED it, though, when Jonathan was trying to outbid the Raro girls for everything. You could tell he was doing it to just piss them off.

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Wow, I agree. This has got to be one of the best episodes in a long time. Confrontation is just so damn entertaining.

Yul is a very good player of the game but he's starting to piss some people off. He should watch out.

I agree, if Yul makes it to the final 2, the smartest move would be to bring Jonathan with him but let's not forget that Ozzy is still a very competent player and a huge threat. These last few episodes are going to be great to watch.

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Agreed that Ozzy is a huge threat. Assuming they're able to cleanly vote off Adam and Parvati, the next thing to do is get rid of Ozzy. That would take Jonathan winning immunity, because if it's Aitu and him for the final 5, he's going to go.

Another HTF member and I were talking that Aitu might be the most cohesive and strategic tribe ever on the game. Seemingly no cracks in the alliance of four, and they've been very, very smart with their choices.

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Very true.

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I really think this is one of the best seasons of Survivor in a long time.

And one of the reasons may be because there are several good "game" players, not just 1. Yul, Jonathon & Ozzy are each exceptionally strong but for different reasons.

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I guess Adam's not quite as dumb as some people thought. Unless there was a key under all his numbers (wouldn't put it past CBS!).

They were right not to vote out Jonathan yet. Voting him out would have made it 4 to 3, now it is 4 to 2 to 1. They can get rid of him anytime.

Yul is playing a great game but he gets a bit flustered when challenged about it. I don't blame Candace for trying to do as much damage as possible knowing she was probably leaving.

Jonathan needs to keep his mouth shut (probably too late now).

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Yul may be a smart player, but he may have slipped when talking to Becky about his worries that he might have problems garnering enough votes to win the game. There was a slight look that flashed across Becky's face like, "I want to win too". Maybe Becky's Korean upbringing makes it natural to defer to an older brother type, but it appears that Yul's issue is that something in his Korean upbringing makes it natural for him to assume a younger sister will defer to him and he may not be able to count on that in the end.

I have never seen a male Survivor as ruled by their libidos as much as Candice has been ruled by hers. I mean, she had no strategy or any other thought in her head other than getting together with Adam. She made countless stupid decisions including her idiotic mutiny misplay all for Adam. I get the feeling she has some unresolved feelings for a high school QB she crushed on or something -- her lack of rational though and single-minded need to be with Adam are pathological. She was basically put in situation after situation to succeed -- she was never in danger of being voted off in any tribe situation, yet she chucked it all away for a relationship that apparently never made it off the island. For all the talk about Billy's lack of game and his delusional love for Candice, the irony is that Candice's delusional love for Adam made her the worst Survivor player in the history of the series.

Speaking of the mutiny, this iteration has taken off since the mutiny and has gone from sleep-walking in the first half to one of the best seasons ever. This past few epsiodes have been the best sustained group of episodes I can remember. Up until the mutiny, I had to remind my wife Survivor was on. But now she can't wait for the next ep.

I have to admit, once they revealed the challenge, I made a joke about Adam having no chance due to math being involved. My wife and I had a good chuckle at the time and were shocked he won. In retrosepct (and all props to Adam for winning), but really -- the math was elementary. What Adam pulled off was that he remembered the details of the past eps that Yul, for instance, could not.

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I noticed this too and this could be his downfall. He was talking to Becky like it was a given that him and Jonathan were going to be the final 2. Pretty dumb move to forget that Becky herself is in it to win it and to dismiss her like that.

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Several random thoughts:

I loved Candace busting Jonathan's chops for being a traitor when she did EXACTLY THE SAME THING TO AITU. She hardly held the moral high ground in that argument.

I loved that the "New Aitu Five" didn't share food with the Raro three. Those three made no attempt to help in the collection or preparation of the food whatsoever yet expected to be fed, at their convenience. They should have learned from Jonathan, that if you are in the minority, you best be useful around camp to forestall being voted off. That said, strategically it was not exactly wise to withhold food since it needlessly antagonizes people who will become jury votes.

It seems an irresistable impulse for a Survivor (in this case Jonathan) who has won a food reward to gloat about it in front of your hungry comrades. That will turn your best friends against you. Either Jonathan was beyond caring or felt that friendship with any other survivor was a lost cause.

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I forgot add:

How dumb was Candice? Instead of trying to sway Jonathan or any other Aitu to create a new alliance, she decides to go on a rant and look like a cuckoo-bird. Then she has the gall to say that there was nothing she could do. Yes there was! You just didn't even try because you wanted to spend your time snuggling with Adam! She's pathetic.

And how dumb is Pavarti? "Oh, you mean we have to bid without seeing it?" Duhhh..... Also, in regards to the HII, "it looks authentic". Like, how would she know? It seems she just says things to hear herself talk.

How dumb is Adam? He didn't want to give Candice more than $20 in for the auction that led her to going to EI again, and then never spent any of his money anyway.

Morons!

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Boy...have comments changed since the first few weeks this season begain airing!

I'd say the wheat has been separated from the chaff and we are in for one wild and bumpy ride the rest of the way out.

If Yul makes it to final three with Jonathan & Becky or Jonathan & Ozzy and had to make the decision about who to bring to final two....that would be mighty interesting.

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I get the feeling that the auction ended prematurely in the estimation of the Survivors. Often they auction family letters, videos and many other items. A lot of folks ended up holding a lot of money. Becky for example, who got all of Candace's cash when she was exiled spent none of it before auction's end.

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Additionally, contrast that "help" with how Yul helped Becky; he didn't limit it and was there 100% for his ally. Another symptom of why Aitu is ascendent: team work and intelligent play.

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The season itself has changed. The season was so boring in the beginning that I literally forgot to watch the show 3 weeks in a row and had to catch up here.

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In the past, when the Survivors were starving, an auction with food was more cutthroat. Because they (relatively) eat so well (so well that the Aitu-alliance had no qualms about denying post-Raro food), an auction like this allows the more strategic players with impulse control to forgo the food and wait for more substantial rewads. These auctions were more entertaining in the past, but it was worth it just to send Candice back to EI one more time.

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Anyone else notice that when Candace returned from EI, there was an awkward return hug from Becky?