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post #61 of 81
8/16/06 at 6:18am

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

Well, I have seen The Naked Spur now (as I said before: not on my "best" equipment), and I must also admit I was detracted by the film itself, so a more definte opinion about the PQ will have to wait until another after viewing.

First I want to say this:
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Originally Posted by Johannes S
My screenshots above were not intended to provide an "accurate reflection" of the DVD. Just wanted to demonstrate the difference in detail resolution compared with the BBC TV recording.
I know what you mean. Those screen grabs certainly were true representations of the quality of the movie. So thanks for providing those to us! And yet indeed the whole film doesn't seem "as worse" as those single shots suggest.

Let's have no doubt about this: it's not a very good example of a restored film on DVD. Period. In my opinion the image could have been better, it tends to be a bit dark and unsharp, the frame isn't always well-defined and there are artifacts that could have been removed (perhaps to gigantic costs - that I don't know). It's a bit of a disappointment, not a "disaster".

So the bottom line is: it's the best version of TNS I have ever seen (which doesn't say too much). I'm still glad I own this box, including this movie, no doubt about that, although I will look forward to a better transfer of this film.

And now on to SoSL this evening!


Cees
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post #62 of 81
8/16/06 at 6:45am

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

The other film at the time that James Dean was reportedly in line to appear in was "Somebody Up There Likes Me". Comparing the production dates may indicate whether it would have prevented him from seriously considering SoSL or not.

Regards,
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post #63 of 81
8/16/06 at 7:22am

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Originally Posted by Ken_McAlinden
The other film at the time that James Dean was reportedly in line to appear in was "Somebody Up There Likes Me". Comparing the production dates may indicate whether it would have prevented him from seriously considering SoSL or not.

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Now, that is the story I have known for years is that Paul Newman and Steve McQueen wanted the leading role in that film after Dean passed away.
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post #64 of 81
8/16/06 at 7:31am

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

PIER ANGELI WAS DATING DEAN AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH. THEY MAY HAVE MET TESTING FOR "SOMEBODY...."
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post #65 of 81
8/16/06 at 4:21pm

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

Just got through taking a look at Naked Spur and now I can breathe a sigh of relief. The negativity toward the transfer had me scared to death. Sure, it's softer than it should be and I've seen better but it's MORE than acceptable. We've all just become too spoiled so than anything other than a "knock your socks off" picture gets complaints.
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post #66 of 81
8/16/06 at 4:31pm

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

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Originally Posted by Thomas T
Just got through taking a look at Naked Spur and now I can breathe a sigh of relief. The negativity toward the transfer had me scared to death. Sure, it's softer than it should be and I've seen better but it's MORE than acceptable. We've all just become too spoiled so than anything other than a "knock your socks off" picture gets complaints.

Amen, Thomas T. I often find myself in admiration and/or agreement with your posts. I too shared concern about this title, but it's really just as Herb Kane called it, as you call it, and others have as well. It's still 50 times better than THE QUIET MAN looks

I haven't watched the western double bill yet, but I enjoyed SPUR just fine, I thought SPIRIT OF ST LOUIS looked the best I've ever seen it, ditto THE FBI STORY and THE STRATTON STORY. All first-rate films and this boxed set is a real delight and a good value
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post #67 of 81
8/16/06 at 4:48pm

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To Charles H:

James Dean and Pier Angeli were not dating at the time of his death. She had already married singer Vic Damone. Angeli and Dean met when they were both shooting movies at Warners on soundstages next to each other. He was shooting East Of Eden and she was shooting Silver Chalice.

To Roger Rollins:

Thanks for the compliment. Sometime I think I don't belong here at the HTF. For me, it's first and always about the movie and while I'd like a extraordinary picture as much as the next guy, if it's watchable I'm happy. When it gets to the point of (like some HTFers) of refusing to buy an anticipated title because the color is off (the blue of the sky is TOO dark, Monroe's dress should be more red than pink etc.) or the amount of nicks and scratches on a 70 year old movie wasn't cleaned up enough to suit them, I'm no longer a movie lover, I'm a DVD lover. There IS a difference.
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post #68 of 81
8/16/06 at 10:29pm

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

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Originally Posted by Roger Rollins
It's still 50 times better than THE QUIET MAN looks


Yes, and I had no problem going through that movie because it's such a great classic. I just wanted to see the "pretty Irish scenery" in The Quiet Man all cleaned up & restored so I could enjoy the scenery along with the movie.
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post #69 of 81
8/16/06 at 10:59pm

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

Finally received my James Stewart box set. However ordinary The Naked Spur is, it is a joy to finally have it in my collection.
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post #70 of 81
8/21/06 at 7:42pm

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Anyone else having playback problems with The Cheyenne Social Club / Firecreek dual sided disc? I've tried it on 3 different players and they all freeze or skip at various spots during The Cheyenne Social Club.

I haven't checked the Firecreek side yet.

Thanks,

Jean Paul
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post #71 of 81
8/22/06 at 11:19am

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

Anyone else having playback problems with The Cheyenne Social Club / Firecreek dual sided disc? I've tried it on 3 different players and they all freeze or skip at various spots during The Cheyenne Social Club.


Uh Oh! I've had a lot of problems with 2-sided discs in the past, but primarily with discs from Universal. I'll check mine ASAP and let you know my findings.
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post #72 of 81
8/22/06 at 2:33pm

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Never heard about James Dean being cast for SPIRIT.
I do know the part was offered to John Kerr, who for some reason, turned it down !!!
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post #73 of 81
8/23/06 at 3:43am

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Cees,
My boxset arrived today and I watched this dvd using the HD-XA1 player that upconverted it to my new 65" HD display and though the picture was soft in some instances with some artifacting, it is far from absolutely terrible. I compared this dvd with my DVD-R recording of it from TCM and IMO, this dvd has a superior video presentation, particularly in regard to facial features being much more detailed. Warner could of done a better job with the video presentation, but as RAH alluded to, it would've taken a greater financial investment. All studios including Warner have a thin line to walk in regard to ROI issues as they pertain to hundreds of titles they may have in their film library.




Crawdaddy
By this time, more of you should have watched "The Naked Spur" dvd and I'm interested to see if any of you agree with my assessment of the dvd quality or is the dvd absolutely terrible?





Crawdaddy
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post #74 of 81
8/23/06 at 3:46am

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

I've just posted this elsewhere:
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Originally Posted by John Hodson
Just run through The Naked Spur; long story short - it's not terrific, but it's not as horrifying as I was expecting (certainly not as bad as On Dangerous Ground). The worst parts of it are on a par with decent VHS (in this day and age, that's not praise). Yes, it deserved better, yes it's a very important western that should have had more film specific extras.

But I did see the recent BBC transmission and though some take the contrary view, IMHO, on my equipment, it's better than that.
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post #75 of 81
8/23/06 at 8:19am

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Robert,

It's not the best example of a restored movie, but it's NOT absolutely terrible.

In fact, it's the old story: it's the best version I have ever seen this film in, but you need to know that my other version is an NTSC VHS tape.

This is an excellent opportunity to own this movie for a very reasonable price (together with the others)! I'm glad I own this box set.


Cees
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post #76 of 81
8/23/06 at 11:22am

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

"The Naked Spur" looks a bit blurry and "dupey" in a way that suggests that it is the source element used for transfer, and not the transfer itself that is the problem. It looks like it was from the same source or one of equivalent generation, to the video master used for the TCM broadcasts, but it is noticeably better than any broadcast or tape I have seen to date. The compression is good and there are no intrusive video processing artifacts based on my viewing of it upscaled to 720p windowboxed on a 100" 16:9 screen.

Regards,
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post #77 of 81
8/23/06 at 11:02pm

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I recently recorded The Naked Spur to DVD+R direct from a Digital TV Broadcast.
When I got the new James Stewart Set I took a look at The Naked Spur and straight away agreed that it looked awful and it did not appear to be as good as my recent off air recording.
But! upon comparison, I found that to my astonishment the new Warner DVD was in fact slightly better.
So I am of the opinion, that as poor as it is, this is about as good as it can get, without a major restoration.

I have an original Technicolor 35mm film frame of The Naked Spur in my collection and other than the superior sharpness and detail in the film clip, the DVD colors are very close to the original.

Just watched and thoroughly enjoyed The Cheyenne Social Club.
Nice quality image.
No troubles with the disc here.
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post #78 of 81
8/24/06 at 9:29am

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Originally Posted by Doug Bull
But! upon comparison, I found that to my astonishment the new Warner DVD was in fact slightly better.
So I am of the opinion, that as poor as it is, this is about as good as it can get, without a major restoration.

Why are we always talking about a "major restoration" to achieve acceptable pq of older titles? The DVD transfer of "The Naked Spur" obviously comes from an old SD composite D2 master. If I am correct, Warner have two "Spirit Datacine" telecines in Burbank. Why didn't they just perform a new scan of the existing interpositive elements?

Honestly, I did not expect a "major restoration" of the film elements of TNS, not to speak of the "Ultra resolution" process of the three strip technicolor negatives. But I really expected a properly done HD-based rescan of the available elements. Has this older interpositive Mr. Harris referred to faded that much since it's last SD telecine which probably was done in the early 90's?
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post #79 of 81
8/24/06 at 10:21am

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Originally Posted by Johannes S
Why are we always talking about a "major restoration" to achieve acceptable pq of older titles? The DVD transfer of "The Naked Spur" obviously comes from an old SD composite D2 master. ..
Why "obviously"? the transfer appears to be progressive to me and I did not notice any composite video artifacts other than the example from the titles which could be something else.

Regards,
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post #80 of 81
8/24/06 at 4:03pm

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes S
Why are we always talking about a "major restoration" to achieve acceptable pq of older titles? The DVD transfer of "The Naked Spur" obviously comes from an old SD composite D2 master. If I am correct, Warner have two "Spirit Datacine" telecines in Burbank. Why didn't they just perform a new scan of the existing interpositive elements?

Honestly, I did not expect a "major restoration" of the film elements of TNS, not to speak of the "Ultra resolution" process of the three strip technicolor negatives. But I really expected a properly done HD-based rescan of the available elements. Has this older interpositive Mr. Harris referred to faded that much since it's last SD telecine which probably was done in the early 90's?
I disagree with you about it not being acceptable PQ for "The Naked Spur" so I guess we're to that point of agree to disagree about this issue.




Crawdaddy
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post #81 of 81
9/2/06 at 10:06am

Re: HTF REVIEW: James Stewart: The Signature Collection (RECOMMENDED).

Any word on the CANADIAN box yet?


It was released last Tuesday apparently.

Is it a safe purchase? Are the covers/box billingual? Is anything missing content wise? Are all the films present?

Please let us know, I really want to pick this up!!

Thanks.
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