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post #61 of 308
7/23/06 at 5:13pm

Re: Warner announces Forbidden Planet for November

It's about time.

Now I can add it back to my collection.
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post #62 of 308
7/23/06 at 8:36pm

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Excellent news, and a must for fans of this marvelous film. I wonder if a Hidef release is forthcoming?
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post #63 of 308
7/23/06 at 10:56pm

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Any word on who is doing the commentary? Also, I wonder where they got the stems for the 5.1 track?
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post #64 of 308
7/24/06 at 9:06am

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How many people here have seen FP in the movies. I remember seeing this when it first came out, and many times after. I have seen this film 29 times in the theater,over a coarse of years. I still think FP and the original WOW are the greatest scifi movies made. I think FP was the first time MGM ever made a scifi film, and it took a few years to make. This I remember from reading Famous Monsters of Filmland back then. The sound track with no music is also a great innovation. Remember the pictures in the magazine of who did it. Filmes in Cinemascope, great color. WOW,what a movie. The spaceship and Robbie showed up in a few Twilight Zone's later on. Great concept ,Altare 7 and the Krell. I hope warners does this right.
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post #65 of 308
7/24/06 at 9:22am

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I saw it in a theater as a young kid, and it overwhelmed me with its size and scope. When the three of them go exploring one of the shafts, the enormity of it all scared me to death.

I like the current DVD fine (wasn't the aspect ratio cheated on this release?)
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post #66 of 308
7/24/06 at 9:41am

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Thrilled. Though I really want this in HD!

I hope the restored audio is true to the original mix. WB is a great studio but one place they fall short is their common practice of "home theater remixing" historic mixes and destroying the integrity of the original sound-placement (ie, losing original directional dialogue etc.).

The stereo tracks on the old laserdisc sounded FANTASTIC. If they could just get this new DVD to sound as good as that... we'd be well served.

-dave
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post #67 of 308
7/24/06 at 10:43am

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The stereo tracks on the old laserdisc sounded FANTASTIC.

Agreed. This is one of the few cases where I thought the sound on a DVD was grossly inferior to a laserdisc stereo track. Presumably the 5.1 track is being derived from the original 3- or 4-track master, but I wish they'd simply do an exact replica of the highest fidelity track from among the original theatrical mixes and not necessarily try to "upgrade" every film. Or at least make the original track an option.

I also wonder if this is a strictly video "restoration" or if the original film elements were worked on. If so, I'd certainly love to see this film in a real theater for the first time. This is the kind of thing that deserves an IMAX roadshow release. Is somebody still planning that ill-advised remake? I'll bet they could piggy-back on the release publicity for that by putting the original into limited release on some really big screens.

Regards,

Joe
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post #68 of 308
7/24/06 at 1:51pm

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Is somebody still planning that ill-advised remake?

Would love to see a remake,but I just don't think it will have the same class as the original. Just as War of the Worlds just didn't compare to the George Pal original. Great idea if it were done right.
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post #69 of 308
7/24/06 at 2:13pm

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Originally Posted by Billy Fogerty
Would love to see a remake,but I just don't think it will have the same class as the original. Just as War of the Worlds just didn't compare to the George Pal original. Great idea if it were done right.

Some films should simply never be remade. No one would think of rewriting War and Peace to make it more "modern" and acceptable. But try stopping them from remaking Casablanca (as if any other version could ever compare to that perfect match of script, stars, directors and bit players.) How many versions of Miracle on 34th Street have there been? How many can hold a Christmas candle to the original? Would anyone be mad enough to go Welles one better with Citizen Kane, this time in color and with a computer-generated Xanadu?

Sometimes Hollywood should just leave well enough alone.

Regards,

Joe
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post #70 of 308
7/24/06 at 3:29pm

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AMEN!!
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post #71 of 308
7/24/06 at 6:34pm

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Originally Posted by Billy Fogerty
How many people here have seen FP in the movies. I remember seeing this when it first came out, and many times after. I have seen this film 29 times in the theater,over a coarse of years.

Damn 29 times!!! I've only seen Forbidden Planet twice at the movies. Both times at the Lafayette Theater in Suffern, NY.

Can't wait for the SE in November.
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post #72 of 308
7/24/06 at 8:28pm

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This film showed up in a Lewiston, Maine cinema (long since closed) as part of their "Midnight Movies" series in 1980. I drive thirty miles two nights in a row to see it on a big screen, as I'd only seen it on t.v. before that. My suspicion is that the coming Warner DVD will run rings around the theatrical print I saw, but it sure was wonderful viewing this in a theater. Never get tired of it.
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post #73 of 308
7/24/06 at 10:16pm

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I found that WB's newst 35mm print of FORBIDDEN PLANET is quite well processed-- color is well timed and vibrant, image sharp, and most importantly printed on a good stock with proper labwork. As much as I'll enjoy this on DVD, there is NOTHING like seeing it on the silver screen (particularly when you're seeing it on a BIG screen).
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post #74 of 308
7/24/06 at 11:35pm

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Not sure how many times I've seen Forbidden Planet; growing up in the 1970's, it was a staple at Saturday afternoon "kiddie" matinees (The Day the Earth Stood Still and Cat Ballou are two others titles that were shown many times), and I never grew tired of seeing it. I'm sure Warners will do this title justice with the deluxe release.
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post #75 of 308
7/25/06 at 5:05am

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One thing that's impossible to recreate, even with super-duper equipment and software, is the experience of seeing a great film for the first time - I remember how much the invisible tiger scared me when I saw this as a little kid.
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post #76 of 308
7/25/06 at 5:14am

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Exactly the same here, being scared by the invisible monster when small in FP, along with War of the Worlds and that metallic unscrewing of the top of the meteor/spaceship.......
Never forgotten either of them......
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post #77 of 308
7/25/06 at 6:21am

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I saw it 5 years ago on a newly struck print exclusively for that showing.

It was so wide that the film went over the ends of the screen and the screen was wide!

A $75,000 Robby was there to take pictures with and so was George Wallace (Commander Cody and Chief Bosan).

After a question and answer period, you got to take your picture with Robby and George..a perfect night.

Also, the print was so clear, you could almost see the paint strokes on the railing in the Krell lab!
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post #78 of 308
7/25/06 at 7:02am

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...it was a staple at Saturday afternoon "kiddie" matinees (The Day the Earth Stood Still and Cat Ballou are two others that come to mind)...

They showed Cat Ballou at the "kiddie" matinee? Don't they know she's mean and evil through and through?

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A $75,000 Robby was there to take pictures with...

Gee, these days you can pick one up for a mere fifty grand at Hammacher Schlemmer.

Regards,

Joe
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post #79 of 308
7/25/06 at 7:24am

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Yup, 29 times. I saw it 3 times when it was released. That was 3 days in a row. Then years later it would be teamed up as a double feature. Usually with something like Earth vs the Flying Saucers, Deadly Mantis, 20,000,000 Miles to Earth.........etc. The CinemaScope print had to be larger than 2:35 to 1. The scope of the Krell lab was awesome.
My second all time film was War of the Worlds. Saw that 18 times in the theaters, usually on a double bill also. Ahh,what memories.
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post #80 of 308
7/25/06 at 7:38am

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Saw this projected via 35mm at the Sci-fi film festival a couple of summers back at the Laffayette theater in NY with my dad. It was my first time seeing it on film (gorgeous print) and his first time since first seeing it in theaters during its original theatrical run!

What fun.
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post #81 of 308
7/25/06 at 7:38am

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Wow, missed this thread till today. Very exciting news indeed. So many great UE's coming out this year, but this one is tops!

An earlier poster mentioned the extras on the Criterion laserdisc, there were quite a few there, but a few of the extras on this new UE sound different. One thing I didn't see mentioned on the UE is the cut scene that is on the Criterion of a slight difference in the ending when Adams marries Alta and has that last speech about how Morbius' greatness will someday again shine. The released version has a jump cut during that last speech where a line is cut.

Can't wait to see this as well.
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post #82 of 308
7/25/06 at 7:41am

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Warner is really pouring it on thick. Two highly awaited releases this year. This is fantastic!
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post #83 of 308
7/25/06 at 9:44am

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An earlier poster mentioned the extras on the Criterion laserdisc, there were quite a few there, but a few of the extras on this new UE sound different.

The problem with Criterion extras is that they are owned by Criterion, which created the original content that goes into them. In the past some studios have been unwilling to license them from The Criterion Collection - or Criterion has refused to license them and/or asked too high a price (and the studios decided it would be cheaper to just produce their own documentaries, etc.)

In the early days of DVD, when laserdisc was still competing with the new format, Criterion often flat-out refused to license its content. Then for a time it used its extras as leverage for getting the studios to allow them to release certain films under license. I'm not sure where they stand on the issue now, or if many (or any) studio releases include extras originally produced by Criterion.

Since laserdisc is dead and the studios prefer to release their own Criterion-style special editions in the broader DVD market, it seems to me that half a loaf would be better than none for Criterion, but I don't run the place.

Regards,

Joe
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post #84 of 308
7/25/06 at 3:09pm

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I'm not sure where they stand on the issue now...
I assume from things I have read that Criterion sometimes barters with studios for getting films from their back catalog in exchange (along with the fee of course) for leasing out their supplemental material.....as I say, I assume that is the way it works at least some of the time with Criterion.....but I could be totally off base with this.
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post #85 of 308
7/25/06 at 3:31pm

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The question I would have though is where did Criterion get their materials for the Forbidden Planet laserdisc, or the other film projects for that matter.

If the materials from the Criterion FP LD were from the studio itself, then wouldn't the studio have originals and would have the rights to use them for the new DVD. Or, in many cases, perhaps the materials are in private collections from the people who may have worked on the film in the first place. So then the materials would have to be collected and deals stuck to use it. But in the end, isn't this all the property (initially created for the film during production) the property of the studio, MGM in this case? And couldn't Warner use it, assuming all the permissions were made from MGM.
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post #86 of 308
7/25/06 at 3:48pm

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The question I would have though is where did Criterion get their materials for the Forbidden Planet laserdisc, or the other film projects for that matter.

Certainly any footage from the film, out-takes, studio-produced publicity materials, trailer, etc. would be the property of the studio. But any commentary tracks recorded (and paid for) by Criterion, any original interviews they produced or documentary footage they shot would belong to them. In fact, a Criterion-produced "making of" documentary would belong to them, not the studio. Any footage from the original film would have been licensed for that use. But the original footage, narration, any original music would all be the property of Criterion. If WB tried to do a shot-for-shot copy of a Criterion documentary with substantially simllar narration they would be violating Criterion's copyright even if every frame in both pieces was from a Warner-controlled film. Once they licensed the footage and assembled it in a unique form, Criterion would have created a new work, separate from the raw footage, and would own that work.

Regards,

Joe
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post #87 of 308
7/25/06 at 4:26pm

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
The question I would have though is where did Criterion get their materials for the Forbidden Planet laserdisc, or the other film projects for that matter.

If the materials from the Criterion FP LD were from the studio itself, then wouldn't the studio have originals and would have the rights to use them for the new DVD. Or, in many cases, perhaps the materials are in private collections from the people who may have worked on the film in the first place. So then the materials would have to be collected and deals stuck to use it. But in the end, isn't this all the property (initially created for the film during production) the property of the studio, MGM in this case? And couldn't Warner use it, assuming all the permissions were made from MGM.
As far as I'm aware, Criterion's supplementary section consisted mostly of a huge illustrated text essay, with numerous stills and a section featuring deleted scenes and unfinished footage from a VHS copy of the workprint. Everything aside from the commissioned text itself could just about be transferred, as long as the materials can be tracked down once again (I can't imagine this would be much of a problem). I'd love to see the original screen treatment Fatal Planet appearing on the new DVD, as well as all the behind-the-scenes stills, designs, ephemera and other stuff, but Warner seem sadly averse to non-video material nowadays.
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post #88 of 308
7/25/06 at 4:47pm

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Have seen the HD version I know that it can look MUCH better than the DVD we have now. I will wait for a HD version.
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post #89 of 308
7/25/06 at 4:49pm

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As far as I'm aware, Criterion's supplementary section consisted mostly of a huge illustrated text essay...

I've never seen the Criterion Forbidden Planet, and so addressing the broader question of what kind of content Criterion might own and be able to withhold from the studios. I agree that from your description it sounds like this isn't much that couldn't be recreated by WB. (If the illustrated essay wasn't created expressly for Criterion, but was adapted from a published source, even that might be available to WB.)

Regards,

Joe
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post #90 of 308
7/25/06 at 5:45pm

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Have seen the HD version I know that it can look MUCH better than the DVD we have now.

Gee, I knew that from seeing the laserdisc version. But what's this you say? An HD version? And you've seen it? Why didn't you say something before? You really shouldn't hold out on us like that...

(Just having a bit of fun. )

Regards,

Joe
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