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Not including the mono soundtracks and having issues with the narrative subtitles are authoring decisions that are made at a later stage in the prepping of a DVD.

However, issues with color timing and framing are handled much earlier in the process, and in the specific instance of the Bond titles you have Lowry DTS working directly with Eon Productions regarding it. I'm not trying to suggest the exact reason for the different color timing and framing that has occured, but these are very likely conscious decisions made by those who own the films. Perhaps Mr. Robert Harris or someone who has contacts with Lowry DTS can get specifics.

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On a slightly different note, I have yet to find any comments on the final scene of FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. Any chance of the jump cut being altered?

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You know, I just watched that the other day and the jump cut was as jarring as ever. It essentially ruins the end of the movie since you can just tell something isn't right. Hopefully the footage still exists.

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Anyone have the old Criterion LD with commentary? Does it explain this jump?

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Bond looks at the film of him getting it on in the hotel and says "he was right". Originally he continued "I look better in a close up" or something to that extent. I guess this was considered too risky for 1963 so they just cut i out.

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A good article on the From Russia With Love jump cut can be found here:-
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s18jc3fromrus.html
I was hoping that if still available on the original negatives it would be put back in but looks to be lost for ever.

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I'm aware of that. My point is that surely someone had a check disc before these were mass produced, so why weren't the faults (missing captions for instance) spotted then.



All well and good, but I'm not sure how that helps every other country in the world.

Saying "these are a bit rubbish, but don't worry, we're releasing a completely different version of them in another country entirely which will be much better" isn't the most welcoming of public relations exercises.



I'm sure George Lucas was aware of every decision made regarding the Star Wars discs, but that didn't prevent pink lightsabres from making an appearance. Mistakes happen. THe trick is to limit them as much as possible, and learn from previous mistakes, to prevent the same ones happening again.



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The simple truth is that using different quality control companies for the different regions causes varied results. Some quality control companies are simply better than others.


I didn't say it helped every country in the world, nor did I suggest that it's good public relations to have these problems on the R2 discs.


That's fine and dandy. I have no problem with people complaining. I was simply trying to make sure people were aiming their blame at those who would have made the decisions.

So, to summarize:

If you have a complaint about missing subtitles, blame the authors and the quality control for the R2 discs.

If you have a complaint about the lack of original soundtracks, blame the authors who decided to leave them off the R2 discs.

If you have a complaint about the framing/color timing, take it to Lowry DTS or Eon Productions.

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Is this confirmed? I'll probably avoid the cropped DVDs, but if the original mono tracks are included, I'll definitely double-dip on titles like FRWL and OHMSS.

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I have it. I assume you mean at the end when he dumps the film in the canal. As I recall, there is a scene missing and they do explain it. I have to listen to it again to be certain of the facts. I'll do so tonight... hopefully I'll remember.

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In terms of the aspect ratio of the non-scope films, I was under the impression that 1.75 was the correct UK ratio, not 1.66? I could've sworn that there was a big discussion about this here 4 or 5 years ago and that was the consensus.

The R1 versions will maintain the U.S. ratio of 1.85 as they were shown theatrically in the U.S., correct?

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OK, I just did a search and found one old thread. Apparently the Criterion LD of Goldfinger says this on the jacket:

"This edition of Goldfinger was transferred digitally from 35mm print and negative materials in the correct British widescreen aspect ratio of 1.75:1."

Which makes me wonder why the U.K. transfers are 1.66?

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As far as I know, the standard ratio for "flat" films in the UK is 1.66:1 and has been for some time; not sure why the Criterion LD says that. Maybe I'm mistaken.

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BTW, do the end titles for Thunderball have the jumpcut announcing the next movie?

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Yes , still the same as previous editions - no next film is announced at the end, instead a wipe removes the title (which on the original prints was OHMSS).

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Damn. I guess that footage is lost.

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I've handled a few 35mm IB tech original release prints of From Russia, and they all have the jump cut there, as a physical cut in the film. It leads me to believe that whatever was removed was originally printed in, and subsequently removed at the studio or lab before release?

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Question...was Lowry DTS even involved in the 80s and 90s Bonds? I remember reading way back at the start of this project that they had been commissioned to work on the first nine films in the series (Dr. No - Man With the Golden Gun), and that everything from Spy Who Loved Me-onward was not in need of digital restoration. From what I've been reading, the earlier films are generally looking spectacular, while the later ones are suffering from the transfer issues. If this is the case, wouldn't those just be soley the fault of Sony/MGM? Why would they need Lowry to work on GoldenEye, which is only a decade old?

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It is my understanding that the R2 releases have Lowry DTS credits at the end of all 20 films. Someone who has them can probably post screen shots. Whether they really had to do anything on Die Another Day, for instance, is open for debate. Licence to Kill definitely was improved, however, as comparison pics online show that scratches and dirt was removed.

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I think the films in THE CONNERY COLLECTION Vol. 1 laserdisc box were transferred at 1.66:1. I don't have the box right here to check, but that's what my memory is telling me.

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Besides the cleanup needed for the older films, their processing allows for the image to be compressed much better. Even new films require cleanup since it's film. LDI seems to take the place of manual cleanup or blind DVNR/edge enhancement.

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Looking at the images in an A&B comparisons test, I have noticed this with Octopussy, which I have two versions of the film on region 2 DVD, the first edition, and the newly restoration collection, But does this represent the actual theatrical presentation of the 1983 film? Because it does look nice but after experiencing some minor errors with Goldfinger, yesterday afternoon, where there’s a slight black line, or a kind of a stutter in the lower frame, which is video generated and not film like. This is kind of depressing to me, to see this crop up!

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on the new R2 octopussy , is rita coolidge name in full on the screen. i just put in my vhs tape of the movie and her name seems to be cropped off on the right hand side the opening is in widescreen then goes P/S. cause judging from pics i have seen octo appears to be more opened to the right of the frame.thanks.

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In regards to the jump cut at the end of From Russia With Love, there's a new article appearing on a Bond site about the new DVD's with an explaination of the cut, what the cut had referred to and why it was cut.

Here's the link to the article from the Commander Bond website: http://commanderbond.net/article/3454

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There's been a lot of discussion regarding these new DVD transfers and I was deeply concerned with what people have been saying on various forums. Anyways I've bitten the bullet and purchased my fav Bond movies and here's my thoughts and a brief comparison to the old SE DVD's:


Dr No

A fine, fine job they've done on this one no mistake. Picture is stunning compared to the original SE DVD and properly framed too. Sound is by no means bad but there's some hiss on the soundtrack - still better than the original mono track IMO (sorry mono purists).


From Russia with Love

Another excellent job. Superior picture and sound. Another improvement over the SE.


Goldfinger.

Yet again very good. However some of the colour timing seems a bit off in a couple of scenes though. Overall much better than the SE.


You Only Live Twice

Great picture and no problems with the sound. Colour timing seems to be spot on too.


Thunderball

Yep, another improvement on all aspects. A very good transfer indeed.


On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Picture is way, way better here, colours are spot on too. The title sequence seems a wee bit cropped to the left hand side (sorry no comparison shot provided) but not so much as you'd notice it though. I've heard a lot of people moan about the sound on this one, but honestly I thought the soundtrack is much clearer now (again sorry mono fans).


Live and Let Die

A bit of a let down this. While the picture IS certainly an improvement there are still some issues (the negative must be quite poor). colour timing is off in quite a few scenes. Just after the title sequence, whilst Bond is in bed with a girl, the colours are all over the place and almost give a strobing like effect. The contrast levels too are pretty inconsistent, especially during the speed boat sequence. I've double checked this against the original SE's and all these problems do exist there, they now just look more exposed since the clean up. Sound is better though.


Man with the Golden Gun

A big improvement with no noticeable problems. Good job on all fronts.


The Spy Who Loved Me

A slight improvement, but not by much.


License to Kill

I never owned the old SE but the picture is very good, colours seems stable and sound is great.


Goldeneye

And here we are, just as everybody has said on every DVD forum this release is absolutely atrocious. The picture is sub-standard even compared to my old VHS copy. Quite possibly the worst picture I have ever seen for a major DVD title. The framing isn't just off, the whole thing has been zoomed in. Surely this must be some mistake. If that wasn't bad enough the colour is totally washed out. Sound is fine though and yes it's Uncut. But the picture is diabolical. They need to make some apology for this fiasco and withdraw it from the shelves IMMEDIATLEY.

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Thanks for the thorough investigation, Alucard. Have already bought a few of these, and, like you, am very impressed on the whole.

Before upgrading all of the SE's though, I'll wait for the possible HD announcement, and if that's not forthcoming, then I'll buy the R1 UE DVD's. At least these will have the correct burnt-in subtitles, as well as mono tracks. Plus, we won't have to put up with those awful symbols instead of text in the menus - one of my real pet hates!