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post #91 of 101
7/17/08 at 9:37am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

Great casting for Green Lantern. Hope to see it happen.

There are plenty of characters to choose from in the DC pantheon. Historically, the company has only focused on the big two in all marketing endeavors. They should change that way of thinking. If Marvel Studios can have a hit with Iron Man - who is, let's face it, a second tier character at best (although a great movie!) - DC could do well with it's stable, if they were willing to trust the public to be receptive to more than that which they already know.
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post #92 of 101
7/17/08 at 11:48am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Sam Favate
There are plenty of characters to choose from in the DC pantheon. Historically, the company has only focused on the big two in all marketing endeavors. They should change that way of thinking. If Marvel Studios can have a hit with Iron Man - who is, let's face it, a second tier character at best (although a great movie!) - DC could do well with it's stable, if they were willing to trust the public to be receptive to more than that which they already know.

The whole "second tier/third tier character" ranking is completely irrelevant to movie adaptations anyway. Nevermind Iron Man, Blade to this day is still largely unknown to the general public as a comics character, and Men In Black isn't even known to most comics readers.

What should be considered is how a particular concept might translate to film - The War That Time Forgot might not have been a huge hit as a comic but I have to think that a film about WWII soldiers stuck on a deserted island battling dinosaurs might hold some fascination for the general public assuming good production values. And that's just one example. DC has a *huge* library of characters in all genres.
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post #93 of 101
7/17/08 at 12:30pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

well the truth of it is that dc has a lot to exploit, but its not seen that way, everyone looks movies, but how many series has been attached to superman, all the way back to the serials, same can be said for batman as well, 3 year stint for wonder woman, the flash has a year long run on tv.

the problem becomes how to do it, remain faithful to the spirit of the comic (pun intended) and still be able to present it to the public, all the while not trying to tick off the hard core comic fans.

great quote somewhere the other day that iron man was the best comic book movie but the dark knight was the best graphic novel movie. with 60 plus years of history to draw on what is needed is some kind of contuninty, with the story line, while some did not like singers take, i thought that SR booted nicely after S1 and S2(Donner Cut).

real world mentality says that you will not see big blue in nolans universe, but a mention, would suffice. The one DC property that i am looking forward to is Supermax, (Green Arrow) seems to be sort of the same gritty world that the next batman is set in.

What DC needs to do is take control as Marvel has of their properties, and make sure that the remain true.

who watches the watchmen, if its faithful to the masterwork of alan moore, i do.
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post #94 of 101
7/17/08 at 1:00pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

I agree with you Andy.
Ultimately, the play is the thing. A great character without a good concept of how to use him is headed for disaster.
At the same time, if you have a high concept, you don't need the name recognition character...and War That Time Forgot is a great concept for a potentially killer summer popcorn movie.
It would be great to see the same diversity in optioned properties that existed in comics pre-1980. War, Mystery, Sword and Sandel, Western. Sci-fi. There's a huge pool to dip into.
I realize that fans weren't crazy about it, but I think the general (not specific) premise of Amazons Attack would be good vehicle to get Wonder Woman finally on screen.
If suddenly a curious highly organized (alien) culture revealed itself and started making demands it would have huge cultural and geopolitical ramifications that would be interesting to see speculated. The premise also lends itself to a slam bang 'clash of civilizations' conflict and Wonder Woman can then be used as emissary and mediator as well as warrior. You could even do a Romeo and Juliet like spin on her relationship with Steve Trevor. I see tremendous possibilities with that character...I just hope the eventual get a creative team in place that will approach the concept as thoughtfully as it appears Nolan has approached the world of Batman.
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post #95 of 101
7/18/08 at 9:25am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

I recall really enjoying "The Question" comic book. Not sure if it would translate very well as it was more of a cerebral-type story.

I would love to see "Reid Flemming: Worlds Toughest Milkman" on the big screen. One of the funniest/strangest comics I remember.
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post #96 of 101
7/19/08 at 1:35pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Marvel has at least tried over the past few years [with varying levels of success] to bring other of their characters to the big screen. A few that I can think of:

Spider-Man
The Hulk
Daredevil
Elektra
The Punisher

Don't forget wikipedia.gif Howard the Duck! (Howard the Duck - Marvel Universe: The definitive online source for Marvel super hero bios.)
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post #97 of 101
7/19/08 at 1:38pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

Well now that is looks like Batman is going to reclaim his throne as the crown jewel of superhero movie characters (it's 1989 all over again), I think DC/Warner Bros. suits can walk with a little more of a strut, knowing they got at least one up on their Marvel counterparts.

I'm sure they will be more patient now with other properties, Superman on down.
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post #98 of 101
7/21/08 at 5:59am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Pete-D
Well now that is looks like Batman is going to reclaim his throne as the crown jewel of superhero movie characters (it's 1989 all over again), I think DC/Warner Bros. suits can walk with a little more of a strut, knowing they got at least one up on their Marvel counterparts.

I'm sure they will be more patient now with other properties, Superman on down.

No, that the success of the movie doesn't change the fact that this is the moment for superhero films and Warner & DC have only one iron in the fire right now (two, if you count next year's Watchmen), while the competition is having all sorts of success with multiple films. Add up Dark Knight's expected take and compare it to that of Iron Man + Hulk, etc. Fast forward to 2011, when Marvel has 3 or 4 movies out in a single summer and DC, maybe, has one. Dark Knight is an excellent film, and deserves all of its success, but being patient is not a good business move right now. The success of the comic book genre (now 6 years old, since 2002's Spiderman) won't last forever.
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post #99 of 101
7/23/08 at 9:55am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Sam Favate
The success of the comic book genre (now 6 years old, since 2002's Spiderman) won't last forever.
I agree. But the key is to not keep making 'comic book movies' but rather just making good films in different genres that have a comic book character in them. Not every property adapts to a crime/thriller genre like TDK did. But something like Wonder Woman or Thor or Shazam will fit in a fantasy genre where Batman can't go. Instead of two 'comic book movies' you have a crime/thriller and a fantasy adventure that just happen to have comic book characters in them.
That should be the great object lesson here.
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post #100 of 101
7/23/08 at 12:10pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

Paul Scott wrote (post #85):
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The Flash is a hugely problematic character to do in a live action context.
Just think about the general premise here logically for a second: The whole point of the character is that he can operate a super speed. . . .
Any Flash derring do is predicated on quick, if not instantaneous resolution. If you want to be realistic, you are going to be sacrificing the cinematic.

(post #88):
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Assuming a being with this ability existed
He would need to be able to think as well as move at super speed to be able to anticipate and react appropriately.
It would naturally follow then that he would be on a much different plane of existence than anyone else. . . .
The more control the character has, the more all-powerful he seems.
To me, there is an intersting premise in the idea of one man whose accelerated metabolism places him on a different plane of existence from the rest of humanity. . . . there is another problem- if he is facing a specific antagonist, why couldn't he run up and have him in custody before he even finished the opening statements about his masterplan? You need to constantly place contrivances in the characters way to keep him from ever resolving a crisis or problem too fast. Those Contrivances will be transparently that, and will become frustrating for the viewer.
. . . . If Flash can turn on the extra super duper speed for a big climactic solution, why can't he do it for every mundane solution as well?
I just see a lot of pitfalls with this character in a live-action world. . . .

Good thoughts, but for a sobering dose of "ultimate reälity" in regard to the consequences of being a hyperaccelerated human, see the X-Files-episode "Rush".
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post #101 of 101
7/23/08 at 12:54pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Sam Favate
No, that the success of the movie doesn't change the fact that this is the moment for superhero films and Warner & DC have only one iron in the fire right now (two, if you count next year's Watchmen), while the competition is having all sorts of success with multiple films. Add up Dark Knight's expected take and compare it to that of Iron Man + Hulk, etc. Fast forward to 2011, when Marvel has 3 or 4 movies out in a single summer and DC, maybe, has one. Dark Knight is an excellent film, and deserves all of its success, but being patient is not a good business move right now. The success of the comic book genre (now 6 years old, since 2002's Spiderman) won't last forever.

Actually I think Marvel's approach has over saturated the market.

No one cares if they make another Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, or even Hulk IMO.

DC should keep the focus on Batman as their crown jewel and the high water mark for superhero films and concentrate on making the next Superman higher quality and more exciting.

Green Lantern and Justice League could also be big hits for DC is they're done properly. The Watchmen looks good too.

Also Batman's success at the box office predates Spider-Man by more than a decade, Marvel didn't "start" anything.
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