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post #31 of 101
7/3/06 at 12:52am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
Another new book I read was Flash #1, and it actually featured Jay Garrick with a little silver helmet. I could make no sense of the issue--a problem I've always had with DC, which seems very unfriendly to new readers...
Ah, the joys of the once a decade reboot... I haven't read anything new from DC since the last issue of the previous Flash series came out in the winter. I shudder to think what that new series is going to be like. Ironically, it's written by Paul DeMeo and Danny Bilson, the duo behind the TV show, which like JoSAN suggested, blended the various Flashes into one character and worked fairly well.
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post #32 of 101
7/3/06 at 1:20am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

I've always been a Marvel reader, but I try DC issue ones every once in a while. I tried Doom Patrol #1 in the late '80s. No idea what was going on. Green Lantern #1 in the early '90s (the series where he eventually became Parallax). No idea. I reread that one recently, and it did make a little more sense--probably thanks to a crash course in GL history at Wikipedia. I can generally only make heads or tails of Superman and Batman, though. Never could keep up with all the reboots and recasting of major characters. Unfortunately, in my absence from Marvel, I believe they've started doing much the same thing.

Anyway, don't forget Steel in the list of DC comics adaptations. I know you probably want to forget.
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post #33 of 101
7/3/06 at 5:56am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by JoSAN
The Hulk is the second biggest Marvel Property, by far. That's why Arad announced that the next movie will be a remake and not a sequel. They NEED to start of a new franchise right. The Hulk is too popular to waste.

I said best, not biggest. As for being too popular to waste, I think that notion is a little late.
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post #34 of 101
7/3/06 at 4:58pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Lenny Rakes
I am not sure who they could find to play Hal Jordan, but I hope it would be an actor who has had previous acting experience.

10 years ago, I'd gone with Bruce Campbell as Hal Jordan (but Campbell's getting up there in age).
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post #35 of 101
7/3/06 at 5:56pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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post #36 of 101
7/3/06 at 6:16pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

Hulk was extremely faithful to the character of Banner and Hulk. It's probably the most faithful.

Universal made the mistake of marketing the film as "the coming of a new hero." Hulk ain't no hero.
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post #37 of 101
7/3/06 at 7:41pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

George Eads from CSI might have made a good Hal Jordan...One problem. He is 37. Which cuts down sequel ability. Since Hal is not in his 40's when he gets the ring.


Hey, you all forgot another DC hero who made it to the big screen.....

STEEL!


What is sad is that Steel could have been made well and worked...even with Shaq. But, they ruined it. And that surprised me since Shaq is a Supes fan and should have put the hammer down and said something.
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post #38 of 101
7/3/06 at 8:07pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

Dude. Post 32. I didn't forget.
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post #39 of 101
7/3/06 at 8:14pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by todd s
George Eads from CSI might have made a good Hal Jordan...One problem. He is 37. Which cuts down sequel ability. Since Hal is not in his 40's when he gets the ring.

I think in some roles, it would be smart to cast an actor who matches the age the character would have to be to hold an important position, or job title. For example, with Superman Returns you would be lead to believe that the two leads were hired as lead reporters at the Daily Planet while in thier teens, with the only previous working experience on their resumes being they worked on the high school newspaper.

Although, in the case of casting for a Green Lantern movie, a test pilot would actually probably be in his mid, to upper 20's.
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post #40 of 101
7/3/06 at 8:43pm
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Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by todd s
What is sad is that Steel could have been made well and worked...even with Shaq. But, they ruined it. And that surprised me since Shaq is a Supes fan and should have put the hammer down and said something.
In the DCU, John Henry Irons (aka: Steel) is a rocket scientist. Shaq ain't no rocket scientist.
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post #41 of 101
7/4/06 at 12:36am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

DC's use of their "avatar" characters like Flash and GL is kind of a double-edged sword really. On the one hand, it does complicate things given the complex histories of the characters, but I also think it's kind of cool that DC acknowledges the passing of time by having older heroes (like Jay Garrick) exist alongside younger counterparts (like Wally West and Bart Allen, who is Barry Allen's grandson). I don't really think it would matter which version of each character DC would choose to bring to the big screen, because I don't think fanboys are THAT loyal. If I had to make a bet though, I'd say that Barry Allen and Hal Jordan would be the front runners for adaptation, given that these two are the ones most recognized and fleshed out, in my opinion.

On the Marvel side of things, I think that a Captain America movie could be really effective in a Superman: The Movie kind of way, in that it could be totally epic and span three solid acts. You could spend a good 45 minutes on Cap during WW2, and then move on to the whole "man out of time adjusting to the present day" angle before Red Skull shows up and Cap has to take him down. If they didn't want to do that, they could go the route that Brubaker's been doing in his recent run by focusing on the more espionage side of Cap.

On a related note, I don't understand how Marvel's ever going to make a good Avengers movie, even though they claim one could theoretically happen in the new issue of Wizard. I mean, the Hulk and Iron Man are pretty crucial characters, and they've been farmed out to different studios.
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post #42 of 101
7/4/06 at 12:45am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

I'd be interested in a "Preacher" comic.
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post #43 of 101
7/4/06 at 5:33am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

I'd like a Detective Chimp movie.

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I think in some roles, it would be smart to cast an actor who matches the age the character would have to be to hold an important position, or job title.

This is kind of why I've always felt that someone in their 30's, preferably around 35 or so, is best for casting an action hero role: young enough to still believably kick some ass but not so young that you can't believe the person is lacking experience and wisdom in their line of work. Can you imagine if they had made Raiders of the Lost Ark today? They'd cast a baby-faced 24 year old and tell you the guy is a world-class archeologist. Wha--?
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post #44 of 101
7/4/06 at 8:41am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

I'm pretty sure this is a Vertigo comic, but "Y: the last man" would be a pretty good movie. It's a about a mysterious plague that wipes out every male of every species on the planet save two: a young magician and the spider monkey he was training. It's a great apocolpytic thriller.

And although it's Icon (which is Marvel, isn't it?) Bendis's POWERS comic would make a great HBO series.
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post #45 of 101
7/4/06 at 10:34am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

There's a script out there for Y: The Last Man, or at least I'd heard somebody was working on it. Never read the comic, would like to.

And if I'm not mistaken, David Goyer said he wanted to use Wally West when asked which Flash he was going to use. (This was also a year and a half ago, so who knows what's up with the project now.)

Oh, and I'd love to see HBO or SciFi tackle the Jack Knight Starman as a weekly series. I know ABC commissioned a pilot script about four years ago, but that was as far as it got.
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post #46 of 101
7/4/06 at 3:17pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

Goyer also wants to use Ryan Reynolds for the Flash. Which I can definitely see.
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post #47 of 101
7/4/06 at 9:40pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by todd s
Goyer also wants to use Ryan Reynolds for the Flash. Which I can definitely see.

I think that would be a great choice.
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post #48 of 101
7/7/06 at 12:02pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Lenny Rakes
Well it is great to see that the WB already has potential future plans to ruin the first Green Lantern movie.

Honestly, I think Samuel L. Jackson would make a great John Stewart. I am not sure who they could find to play Hal Jordan, but I hope it would be an actor who has had previous acting experience.

For once, I wish they could find someone who really has a passion to bring a good quick action pack 90 minute super hero movie to the screen, with little to no romantic sub-plot that bogs the movie down.

Nathan Fillion has been my vote all along, I could see him pulling off Hal Jordan quite well. Plus he looks a bit like Hal.

I'd like to see a Green Lantern or Flash movie, Sgt. Rock might be able to be done, but I don't know much about the character. Green Arrow would be interesting but I don't think it would be enough to sustain a full 2 hour movie.
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post #49 of 101
7/7/06 at 12:20pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer
I don't see any chance of Captain America being made anytime soon.

The writers of Superman changed the iconic line, not just to court international viewers, but to "make a point" and not step on toes. How would a Captain America movie fare? He's probably Marvel's second best character (behind Spidey), and their best for great storylines, but Hollywood doesn't have that skill. Too much external baggage around.

They don't have the skill or the desire, Chuck. Now is not the time for a Captain America movie, unless they set it in the 1940s (which would be kind of cool, by the way).
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post #50 of 101
7/7/06 at 7:17pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

Yeah, but by only setting it in the 1940's, you kind of lose what makes Captain America interesting to me. He's a man out of time. He should either be really old, or even dead, but he's not. I think the movie could be very political and make some pretty good observations by contrasting the ever-idealistic Cap with modern America. I think it could be one of those rare cases where a comic book movie could transcend into something more than a pure popcorn flick.
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post #51 of 101
7/7/06 at 7:49pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

I always assumed the first act would be set (totally set) in the 40's. The next two acts woul dbe modern day. Making the film political would be a hairy road, as Captain America is above politics. He's the ideal. I'd hate to see some drone cram their philosophy into such a pure character. He's not an avatar for political debate.
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post #52 of 101
7/7/06 at 7:50pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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I think it could be one of those rare cases where a comic book movie could transcend into something more than a pure popcorn flick.

Just about any hero, or comic property could transcend into something with meaning, but the problem right now is the people directing, producing, or acting in the super hero movies really does not care, or are really not familiar with what makes the hero so special to the fans, or the occasional reader.
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post #53 of 101
7/7/06 at 9:11pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer
I always assumed the first act would be set (totally set) in the 40's. The next two acts woul dbe modern day. Making the film political would be a hairy road, as Captain America is above politics. He's the ideal. I'd hate to see some drone cram their philosophy into such a pure character. He's not an avatar for political debate.

That's pretty much what I've always pictured a Cap movie being like too.
Also, that's the point I was trying to make. Captain America is loyal to an ideal and a country, not politics or government. That's what we're seeing in Civil War right now.

And you're right, Lenny. All comic movies do have that potential, or else the original material wouldn't be able to resonate even after being in print for 60+ years, as many books have. Anyone know why they don't just get guys that you know, actually work on comics and these characters to at least hammer out a
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post #54 of 101
7/8/06 at 5:50am

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Originally Posted by BrettGallman
That's pretty much what I've always pictured a Cap movie being like too.
Also, that's the point I was trying to make. Captain America is loyal to an ideal and a country, not politics or government. That's what we're seeing in Civil War right now.

And you're right, Lenny. All comic movies do have that potential, or else the original material wouldn't be able to resonate even after being in print for 60+ years, as many books have. Anyone know why they don't just get guys that you know, actually work on comics and these characters to at least hammer out a

I can't even begin to describe how great a movie franchise Captain America would make. It would need a minute nip and tuck here and there but nothing too major. I always envisioned the Captain America Films as a six film saga. The first trilogy set in World War II, with the third film ending with him frozen in the ocean. Of course, the second trilogy would be set in modern times.

I could see the first trilogy having a real Indiana Jones sense of action with Cap squaring off against Red Skull, Hitler, and their goose stepping homies.

So far I'm really enjoying Civil War. So far the first two issues are far better than all eight issues of Infinite Crisis and I'm a much bigger fan of DC than Marvel.

Captain America has always come off to me as more of a DC Comics hero than a Marvel hero. I guess it's his optimism, he's not as cynical as Wolverine, Punisher, Daredevil, or even Spidey.

If for some out of this world reason DC ever bought Cap from Marvel (I know it would never happen), I think the character would fit perfectly within the DC Universe.
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post #55 of 101
7/8/06 at 6:56am

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer
I always assumed the first act would be set (totally set) in the 40's. The next two acts woul dbe modern day. Making the film political would be a hairy road, as Captain America is above politics. He's the ideal. I'd hate to see some drone cram their philosophy into such a pure character. He's not an avatar for political debate.

I don't see why it would be political. Off the top of my head, an easy storyline to run would be something like Cap going off to battle some threat overseas only to find that the bankrollers and the real villains are some fat cat bureaucrats or businessmen back in the U.S. Cap kicks their asses, makes a speech about how America is bigger than a mere government or military-industrial complex and the crowds go home happy - Americans are happy because Cap kicks ass and foreigners go home happy because nothing in the story contradicts their basic perception of U.S. policies, and yet none of it would be explicitly political or contradict the character's non-commital nature
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post #56 of 101
7/8/06 at 7:20am

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Originally Posted by Andy Sheets
I don't see why it would be political. Off the top of my head, an easy storyline to run would be something like Cap going off to battle some threat overseas only to find that the bankrollers and the real villains are some fat cat bureaucrats or businessmen back in the U.S. Cap kicks their asses, makes a speech about how America is bigger than a mere government or military-industrial complex and the crowds go home happy - Americans are happy because Cap kicks ass and foreigners go home happy because nothing in the story contradicts their basic perception of U.S. policies, and yet none of it would be explicitly political or contradict the character's non-commital nature

Andy--

You don't think that's a political plot?
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post #57 of 101
7/8/06 at 4:07pm

Re: Doesn't DC have any "Movie" quality heroes than just Batman & Superman?

Keeping in mind that what I wrote was very vague, not really (I probably wasn't clear enough that I'm thinking more in terms of over-the-top obviously corrupt, individually-motivated villains, not necessarily tied to actual U.S. institutions) and stuff like that is fairly typical for the Captain America comics, which are frequently burdened with having to distinguish Cap's ideals from whatever the government is saying at the time. I'm certainly not suggesting anything on the order of, say, "Figure strongly implied to be Nixon blows own brains out to evade capture" (I'm a little surprised the Nixon family hasn't explored lawsuit options against Marvel for that one. Maybe old comics are too far under their radar).
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post #58 of 101
7/12/06 at 6:01am

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I don't think a Captain America movie would do much business outside the U.S., these days.... So, it won't be done anytime soon.
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post #59 of 101
7/12/06 at 7:07am

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Well, maybe they can film two versions at the same time. One as Captain America and the other as Captain Global or something.
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post #60 of 101
7/12/06 at 7:23am

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Sandman as a movie. I would be there.
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