Leave it to beaver season 3? - Page 11

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Since Universal is licensing a few of its vintage shows to Shout! Factory (McHale's Navy, Ironside), why don't they do the same for LITB? Shout! specializes in niche shows that don't require blockbuster sales volumes to be profitable. And there's a reasonable chance that Shout! might include interviews or commentaries to make things a bit more interesting. Like Jeff, I don't have access to any sales figures for the first two seasons (both of which I supported), but I have to believe that there's sufficient demand for the continuation of the series to let someone else have a go at releasing it.

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Yes! The jazzy theme is my favorite. I'm dancing right now myself.

Gary "and I'll do this dance - - if and when season 3 is announced" O.

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Spot on, Bob. I have to believe Shout! Factory would be the most logical guess. I'm convinced that what we really need is an advocate for this show in a position of "power", and by that I mean a studio exec or someone with solid access to the execs. We've seen that pull from higher ups make a big difference, so I'm persuaded this is what we need right now. Whether someone at Universal (seems very unlikely), at Shout (have no idea) or a non-exec who has contact with them and can beat the drum for the rest of us. We need an advocate!

Gary "and don't tell me it can't make a difference - we all know it can" O.

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With eleven pages and 304 posts in this thread, one would think it would be a good indicator of interest. I have to assume SOMEone in the Universal hierarchy has noticed.

When the first season was introduced on DVD, we were offered that "collectible" lunchbox packaging in addition to a regular slipcase release. The launch was pretty splashy.

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Was it a cup of coffee or a bowl of soup?

I thought I'd never forget (and, YES!, I remember seeing that show when it was first shown, on a Saturday night early in 1961. It's one of my proudest baby boomer claims to fame.)

I like to ask people this: When you were a kid, were you more the type who'd get another kid to climb into a bowl of soup, or the type who'd be the one climbing up there?

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Shout Factory has a message board where their execs occasionally respond to questions. When a question was asked about whether Ironside S2 was coming Shout responded fairly quickly that it was.

Perhaps one of the Beav's fans here should register at www.shoutfactory.com and be the advocate?

Steve

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Steve, very good idea. I just registered and posted that suggestion. Of course, as soon as I hit send I saw that our own Bob Hug already suggested it and I needlessly started a new thread with the same request. Ughhh...

Honestly, while I think it's great for some of us average Joe's to try and be advocates, my main thought was that we needed someone in a position of authority. A studio exec or a person who has serious contacts with execs would seem to be more likely to succeed.

Gary "thanks for the suggestion" O.

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I think that's a really good idea. Obviously, I don't know very important info (like how much money Uni would want to license it or what numbers Shout would need to sell) but I think this is the perfect title for Shout Factory and I think a smaller company like theirs would find alot of success with it. I think at this point, Universal has given up on it so hopefully they will be willing to license it out.

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Hopefully they will be reasonable.

LITB has made Universal tons of money for over 50 years. Even if they licensed it for $1.00 it would be $1.00 more than not releasing it and let it rot on their shelves.

This is a title that I will pick up. I've bought so many TV on DVDs that just haven't gotten around to this, but plan to pick up 1 & 2 while I can.

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Someone needs to link a high powered marketing executive to this high interest Leave it to Beaver thread!

Jack

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^^^

Give me the whole series on the shelf and I'll buy it all.

Thank you in advance Mr. high powered marketing executive.

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A good executive shouldn't base his decisions on "anecdotal evidence," which is what this thread is.

They base them on marketing surveys.

And if asked, "Would you buy 'Leave It to Beaver' Season 3?", 98% respond, "Not a chance in Hell," it's bye-bye Beaver!

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Thanks Joe. We all needed to hear that.

Gary "despite what was said above, I know for a fact that having a powerful advocate can make a huge difference - yes the marketing surveys are important, but they are not the only factor - if someone with pull goes to bat for a series it can make a difference" O.

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Gary, that's very true. Regarding another series, "Combat" ('62-67), that was released by Image due in no small part to "T-Gun", a member of the Yahoo Combat! Forum, who worked closely with Image and is credited on one of the menus in the DVD set. So, it can make the difference.

Jeff "I'm holding to my prediction that this one's going to get a complete release one way or another" W.

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Same thing happened with "The Dick Van Dyke Show". Doug Denoff was the person that really got the ball rolling on these releases. He had a huge hand to play in bringing it to the attention of Mr. Brownstein. It actually got a little rough between them, but that's another story. The fact is that between Doug going to bat for this series, and Mr. Brownstein getting involved, we got the show released when initially the "higher ups" didn't think it would sell. Having an advocate makes all the difference in the world sometimes! I feel confident that if "LITB" had someone like a Brownstein who was really, really interested in seeing it get released, it'd get released one way or the other.

Gary "I know having an advocate isn't the only factor - but don't tell me it can't make a difference or that it's only anecdotal evidence!" O.

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OK, if you say so.

Joe "I'm getting sick of Gary O.'s long rambling signatures, and the way he's making a religion out of this by not allowing anything to be said that might upset his worldview, and while I'm on the subject, I don't like getting eyes rolled at my comments" Lugoff

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Joe, there's absolutely no need to get hostile and take that tone. You pooh-poohed my comments about needing an advocate by saying it's all "anecdotal evidence". Look, this is a thread about LITB, and you should know that people who post on this thread are going to be fans. And yea, some of us really want to see the show continued. It's not a religion, so there's no need to use that type of hyperbole. But it is a show many of us want to see released.

Gary "again, no offense was intended on my part - can't we all be friends like Wally and Eddie?" O.

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Hi Gary,

Paul Brownstein can be an odd duck. I've been told (off the record of course) of his big ego which has caused more than one instance of friction between him and those who have worked with him. Still, he does a great job with the bonus features of these sets and often includes things than fans would want. He's working on Perry Mason now which should be a great package when ready. He also mentioned CPO Sharkey which I find an odd choice considering the many landmark series still unreleased. Not that Sharkey (which I'll admit to watching during its initial run) doesn't deserve release, but surely a man of his talents can find a more suitable series to champion.

Did anyone respond to your post at Shout Factory?

Steve "hoping Beaver fans get their wish" O

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Steve, my good friend! Thank you so much for recommending SHOUT as a possible outlet. As a matter of fact, a few other people have jumped on board in that thread and given their proverbial "amens" to the suggestion. I would think it could be a very enticing pick up for a company with the 50th Anniversary coming up in October and TVLand prepping a weekend marathon. What a time to advertise for a possible Christmas release if SHOUT was able to pick it up from Universal. At least that seems logical to me.

As for Brownstein, I've heard the same thing. I know it got a little ugly with Doug and Paul before the DICK VAN DYKE SHOW was released. Yet, as you say, Brownstein's track record is pretty impressive. So it's hard to not see him as someone who could do a great job with the show. You've mentioned the PERRY MASON set he's working on, and I'm looking forward to what he has to offer.

CPO SHARKEY was a neat little show, but as you said it seems like a few other properties might have been a better choice. But who knows what goes into these things. I only know that Doug Denoff was instrumental in being that advocate I've talked about and here we are, some years later, with all 5 seasons of TDVDS.

Gary "thanks for the good wishes, buddy" O.

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When I come in here as the Voice of Reality, I sense a reaction of "Shut up, let us hold on to our illusions." That's why I got kind of angry. But I'm over it now.

Joe "would rather be a Wally than an Eddie" L.

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No hard feelings Joe. I completely understand your position and I realize that you are correct in pointing out the "realities" of the business side of things. And because we know what you are saying is correct, it gets us just a little more frustrated. I didn't mean to take those frustrations out on you, though. Hope you can forgive me.

Having said all that, I really do believe (and have first hand knowledge via the Doug Denoff situation) that an advocate can make a difference. That doesn't mean an influential advocate always will make the difference. Only that it can. And I do wish we had such an advocate. I have to believe that if the head of Universal's favorite all time show was "LITB", they'd find a way to get the show out, even if the profits were not as high as some of the more current shows. I don't expect any exec to take a loss, but I just can't believe the show would literally not bring in something on the plus side. So if a high ranking exec just really loved the show and wanted to push for it from the inside, don't you think it would stand a much better chance of getting released? I do. And that's all I'm talking about. Another example would be a Brownstein taking an interest. Or a company like Shout. Again, this might only happen if someone on the inside had a real fondness for the show and lobbied for it. Those are the types of situations I'm thinking of when I talk about advocates.

Oh, and I want to be Wally too! So we will have to flip a coin as to who will be Eddie.

Gary "the 50th Anniversary angle really is our best shot at this point" O.

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I want to be Ward.

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Gary "Mike just wants to be Ward so he can slap me around" O.

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You can. But first you need to work on your word count. This is way too short for a post done by Ward. We want to be lectured this instant!!

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[Ward]Well, you know fellas...it's not about the word count...as much as it is what you do with the words you use.

One of the things you'll find out as you get older is that there is no clear measurement for communication effectiveness. You can't count the number of words-used and say that you've gotten (or haven't gotten) your message across. Oh no!

In fact, as a parent you sometimes feel that the more words you use the more likely for your message to get "lost" by your child.

Why, I remember when I was a little older than your brother Wally and dating your mother, your mother's Aunt Martha gave me a really long talk about the importance of always carrying an umbrella with you at all times....

But, anyway, I would just hope that you guys can understand that your parents aren't perfect people either...but that they do love you very much and that you can ALWAYS turn to them whenever you've got a problem or question about ANYTHING![/Ward]

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[the beav]Boy, Gee, Wally...ya know...I hope I grow up and can...post as many words as dad...does on the internet.[/the beav]

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[Wally] Gosh Dad. I never looked at it that way. I guess I still have a lot to learn, huh.

Gary "gotta be Wally because he got to date Julie Foster [i.e. Cheryl Holdridge]" O.

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Yeah, well...Ward had June. Case closed.

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Didn't someone in an earlier post mention how a possibilty exists that somewhere down the road, we may see the remaining episodes released as single episode downloads from some online stores like amazon.com? Hey, if that's the only way we can finally get the remaining episodes, and you can download them and burn them onto DVD and be able to play them on a home DVD player, I'm all for it. I mean, they couldn't possibly look worse than they do on TVLand, and the TVLand prints don't look bad at all. I just don't understand the mentality with these companies that release more than 1 season of a show and then stop altogether. I mean if the first season bombed and they don't release a 2nd, that's understandable, but look at all the shows that went past a season 1 release that probably will never be completed on DVD. Mary Tyler Moore Show, Bob Newhart Show, Green Acres, Leave it to Beaver, and lots more. Maybe they figure the only fans of these shows are all old, and by the time the 2nd or 3rd season releases of these came out, most of the fans have died already, so there's no fanbase left to buy the remaining seasons. LOL! With today's corporate mentality, I'm sure I'm not too far off base with that conclusion!

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Well, as the time nears for the October announcements (some have already been announced) I'd say it's time for us LITB fans to start really getting anxious. Not that any of you need help with that, because we are all in the same boat. But I do believe the 50th Anniversary is the next big event on the calendar. If we get nothing from Universal at that point then I believe we can all say, without fear of contradiction, that the series has completely fallen off their radar. It would be painfully obvious that they genuinely have no plans for future releases. Over a year and a half will have gone by, and that's too long a time for anyone to suggest Uni would still have it on any legit release schedule.

Nope, if this October comes and goes without a release of season 3, we can all say for sure that Universal has abandoned the show. Time for Shout Factory, BCI, MPI, Image, or someone else to pick this series up!

Gary "I'm guessing the October release schedule will be announced within the next several weeks - surely by this time next month" O.