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post #61 of 88
6/16/06 at 4:57am

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I was 17. I saw the "Raiders" trailer before some film I don't even remember at the Loew's Jersey City Triplex, and I remember having no desire to see "Raiders" at all. I saw it a week or two after it was released, and eventually saw it seven more times that summer...
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post #62 of 88
6/16/06 at 10:04pm

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I can't believe you people, praising a movie like Temple Of Doom that (aside from sequences at the beginning and end and a few nice moments from Capshaw) is ugly and boring, while criticizing the lighthearted, charming, and constantly exciting The Last Crusade for not aging well. Spielberg himself was disappointed by Temple Of Doom and considers The Last Crusade his favourite out of the trilogy. The way I see it, the first one was good, but flawed because it was shallow, the second one was a disaster with a scant few positive qualities, and the third took the best qualities of both (except for a good female lead), as it had action sequences just as riveting as the one excellent action sequence in Temple Of Doom, and had the emotional/character depth that Raiders lacked.
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post #63 of 88
6/17/06 at 5:55am

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you're certainly entitled to that opinion, but for me Raiders was and remains a near flawless film.

and where you saw emotional/character depth I saw contrivance on the order of Return Of The Jedi. Honestly, I never really had a bad reaction to the film until my last viewing of it on DVD, and I ended up hating it for how shallow the sentiment was. I think the point where my indifference turned to outright contempt was where the group believes that Indy has gone over the edge of the cliff with the tank. Papa Jones gets all misty eyed and seems to be expressing genuine heartfelt emotion right up until - SURPRISE - Indy appears alive behind him, then after we get the 'gag' laugh release of the situation, Papa Jones goes back to behaving 100% as he did before.
The sentiment was solely in the service of a cheap laugh and dismissed as soon as the sequence is over until it rears up again at the end.

For me, Last Crusade was Spielberg at his worst and most facile.

Nothing in that film compares to the scene in Raiders where Indy finds that Marion is still alive in the tent. To me, that was honest emotion, and both characters reactions believable and consistent to their characters.

no contest imo.
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post #64 of 88
6/17/06 at 6:17am

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Originally Posted by Stephen Orr
I convinced my wife and our friends to go see Clash of the Titans the night Raiders opened! We were in Monterey, California at the time. We saw Raiders a couple of weeks later, and they were a little ticked I picked the movie the time before. But hey, I'm a Harryhausen fan.

That reminds me of the time when I was a kid and my family was trying to figure which movie to go see. Most of them were favoring Aliens but for some reason they asked me what I wanted to see and I ended up having the final say. So of course I said "Howard the Duck" and we all went to see that one instead of Aliens. I'm still kind of pissed at myself for that.
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post #65 of 88
6/17/06 at 6:58am

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Andy,
That is among the worst decisions I have ever heard in my life. I am surprised you aren't seeing a top-shelf psychiatrist for the ramifications of said decision.
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post #66 of 88
6/17/06 at 1:43pm

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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
you're certainly entitled to that opinion, but for me Raiders was and remains a near flawless film.

and where you saw emotional/character depth I saw contrivance on the order of Return Of The Jedi. Honestly, I never really had a bad reaction to the film until my last viewing of it on DVD, and I ended up hating it for how shallow the sentiment was. I think the point where my indifference turned to outright contempt was where the group believes that Indy has gone over the edge of the cliff with the tank. Papa Jones gets all misty eyed and seems to be expressing genuine heartfelt emotion right up until - SURPRISE - Indy appears alive behind him, then after we get the 'gag' laugh release of the situation, Papa Jones goes back to behaving 100% as he did before.
The sentiment was solely in the service of a cheap laugh and dismissed as soon as the sequence is over until it rears up again at the end.

For me, Last Crusade was Spielberg at his worst and most facile.

Nothing in that film compares to the scene in Raiders where Indy finds that Marion is still alive in the tent. To me, that was honest emotion, and both characters reactions believable and consistent to their characters.

no contest imo.

Well said, Paul. I agree.
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post #67 of 88
6/22/06 at 5:12pm

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Originally Posted by Brett_M
I am such an idiot. I saw this in '81 at Woodfield Mall. In my mind, I imediately jumped to 1982. In any event, 81-82 was an awesome time for genre flicks.

Like some other posters here, I have the opportunity to see this on the big screen in Royal Oak, Mi. The Main Art Theater is hosting a Midnight Madness festival all summer:

New 35mm print! Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction • June 16 & 17
Nicole Kidman & Ewan McGregor in Moulin Rouge! • June 23 & 24
Redrum! Stanley Kubrick's The Shining • June 30 & July 1
Tequila! Pee-wee's Big Adventure • July 7 & 8
Kermit & Miss Piggy in The Muppet Movie • July 14 & 15
Marlon Brando is The Godfather • July 21 & 22
For the first time in color with bonus Ed Wood shorts:
Plan 9 From Outer Space • July 28 & 29
Michael J. Fox goes Back to the Future • Aug 4 & 5
Harrison Ford in Raiders of the Lost Ark • Aug 11 & 12
Alfred Hitchcock's original Psycho • Aug 18 & 19
New 35mm print! Monty Python and the Holy Grail • Aug 25 & 26
Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas • Sep 1

Brett,

I live close to Royal Oak --- where can I find the actual showtimes for Raiders on Aug. 11 and 12? So they actually start at midnight? I did a search for their Web site but couldn't find anything really.

Also, do they have a pretty big screen?
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post #68 of 88
6/22/06 at 5:37pm

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Raiders is great, the word "flawless" describes it perfectly. Every aspect is literally flawless from opening frame to closing, I can think of only a few movies this can be said about. My childhood memory is...bad, so I don't remember first seeing it or anything else for that matter.

Temple of Doom is a wonderful sequel. It's instantaniously better than Last Crusade because it does just what a sequel should do; take hour hero on a *NEW* and interesting adventure. The best sequels are usually the ones that go to new places, which is why The Last Crusade hasn't aged that well. It was just Raiders all over again, they stuck Sean Connery in there to fool all you gullible guppies. Gullible guppies love anything with Sean Connery in it.
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post #69 of 88
6/23/06 at 6:14am

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I distinctly remember seeing the first film at the Interstate Mall 6 AMC in Altamonte Springs. We were at Chuckie Cheese's with our family friend -- a whole family that had my Dad's best friend, my mom's best friend, my brother's best friend, and a girl my age to pal around with (since she was a girl I'd never dream of calling her my best friend). Anyway, Howard (the other dad) suggested we go see it. I'd only seen posters, not a trailer or commercial for it. But being as Howard could talk my parents into doing anything, we went. It's sad that we all grew apart after the other couple got a divorce. Sigh...

Anyway, there was something wrong with the film becuase we waited for 15 minutes with an alternating black screen, then white screen. A black screen! For minutes at a time. I have no idea how that happened. Maybe one of the trailers they cut into the reel was badly processed and just black, but it took them 15 minutes to work it out and just start the movie.

God, I love that movie. It was perfect, at that perfect time in my life when summers lasted forever and I literally had no worries in life (I was eight).
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post #70 of 88
6/23/06 at 9:42am

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Wow, I had no idea there were so many critics of the Last Crusade. The IJ's trilogy is one of the few in which I thoroughly enjoyed all 3. They each have there own greatness about them. The Last Crusade is maybe a bit more comical, but has its touching moments as well. I love the part at the end, where Indy is trying to pass through to get to the grail, while Jones Sr, is making half conscious murmurs like "The Penatent man will pass". I thought it was a great sequence. Unlike trilogies that only produce one or two good movies (The Matrix, Godfather), I think all of the Indiana Jones are Great films.

Not a gullible guppy, I just think that all three films can stand on their own, and this is one of the few true wonderful, epic, phenomenal trilogies ever created. I would group SW'S and LOTR'S in that category as well.

Just my humble, guppiesh opinion

JC
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post #71 of 88
6/23/06 at 11:01am

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Hahaha, I don't think Last Crusade is actually a bad film overall, it just doesn't hold up quite as well under scrutiny. And I really do take points off because the filmmakers have fully admitted to calculatingly trying to make it like Raiders. They couldn't deal with a little bit of criticism from Temple of Doom ("oh this is too scary, shame on you"), so they decided to throw originality out the window and just perform an encore, bad form.
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post #72 of 88
6/24/06 at 11:42am

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"I think we take for granted now what a refreshing experience at the movies Raiders was in its time."

I think that is so true. Refreshing describes it well. I saw Raiders of the Lost Ark for the first time in Savannah, Ga in 1981. I was 23 years old. It was definitely a "wow" moment for me, just like the first Star Wars movie four years before. I remember thinking, "This is what movies used to be like!" I also remember thinking that it was the best movie I had ever seen. (I hadn't yet seen Casablanca at that time in my life).



"It should also be noted (considering this is a HomeTheater forum ) that Raiders is one of those signature VHS releases. When it was released on video in 1983, there was great fanfare - not to mention the synergistic inclusion of a Temple Of Doom teaser. "

Yeah, I do remember that, although we had Beta, not VHS. It was the very first movie/video that I ever bought. I was thrilled to have that P&S copy. Wow! The concept of actually buying a movie was very novel, especially since you could record it when it came on TV. We've come a long ways haven't we .

Back then, I had the Betamax hooked to my stereo and we watched on a 25" TV. I didn't realize then that I had created a Home Theatre .
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post #73 of 88
6/30/06 at 10:48pm

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The local revival house was showing it this week in 70mm no less. There's something about seeing Raiders with a packed house that beats watching it at home.
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post #74 of 88
7/2/06 at 7:47am

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I was 22 at the time, living in Syracuse, NY. This girl I was dating wanted to see History of the World Part 1. I of course wanted to see Raiders. So we saw them both on the same night (the theaters were a few miles away). We saw Raiders first, and I gotta say, History of the World was a little disappointing after that!

After Temple of Doom came out, there was a news crew covering reaction when the movie let out. Raced home to record my reaction on the 11:00 news!

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I remember buying RAIDERS on VHS and showing it to everyone on my linear track VHS stereo VCR and 25" console television. Fun times!

Same here... except got it as a B'day present, it was Beta and my TV was only 19 inches! And yes, those were still fun times!
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post #75 of 88
7/3/06 at 5:29am

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Here is a Karen Allen article and interview from yesterday's Newark Star-Ledger, mainly about the anniversary of Raiders of the Lost Ark:

http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/...?colwhi&coll=1
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post #76 of 88
7/4/06 at 10:56pm

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We didn't have much money growing up but one Christmas, maybe '84 or '85, my dad cut lose with probably $400-500 and bought a VCR. Raiders of the Lost Ark was the first movie purchased and viewed on that VCR. We didn't even bother moving out all the other Christmas gifts or the torn Christmas paper! We just all sat down and enjoyed one of the most entertaining movies ever made! I was 14 or 15 years old that Christmas...
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post #77 of 88
7/6/06 at 1:07pm

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Wow... 25 years... amazing.

Being 31 years old, I was an impressionable 7-year-old when Raiders came out, and remember loving every minute of it.

I think somebody brought this up earlier, but it's worth repeating... for those of us who were little kids in the early-to-mid 1980s, has there ever been a better time to enjoy AMAZING movies that were essentially targeted directly at you? Think about the films that were released in the 1980-85 time frame:

STAR WARS (1980 re-release)
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980 and subsequent re-release)
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (1981)
E.T. (1982)
RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983)
BACK TO THE FUTURE (1985)

These are just off the top of my head... I know there are a lot more...
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post #78 of 88
7/6/06 at 1:39pm

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you forgot 1984 witch brought us the classics
temple of doom
ghostbusters
gremlins
karate kid

82 had a raiders re-release , earlier that year for the oscars , E.T. that summer re-release of star wars oh and also right before e.t. came out star trek 2 then that november empire re-release and dec. dark crystal damn that was a fun year for a nine year old.
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post #79 of 88
7/6/06 at 2:17pm

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It was an amazing period to be a young boy who liked movies (I am also 31, Jeff).

I would add:

GOONIES
STAR TREK 2: THE WRATH OF KHAN
THE LAST STARFIGHTER
SUPERMAN II
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post #80 of 88
7/6/06 at 2:53pm

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Originally Posted by R
Same here... except got it as a B'day present, it was Beta and my TV was only 19 inches! And yes, those were still fun times!

I still have my first copy of the film, which was also the very first videotape I ever owned. (It was recorded off of The Movie Channel.)

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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
you're certainly entitled to that opinion, but for me Raiders was and remains a near flawless film.

I agree. The great thing about Raiders is that so much of the characterization comes from the smaller background details, much like The Searchers. Of course, today the trend is to hit you over the head with details, so you'll have more to argue about online.

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Originally Posted by Josh.C
Wow, I had no idea there were so many critics of the Last Crusade. The IJ's trilogy is one of the few in which I thoroughly enjoyed all 3.

I remember having no idea they were making a third one until it had already started shooting! I just happened to see a morning talk show interviewing Ford on set. (The first thing I heard was the interviewer saying, "The film is called, "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade...") Quite a difference when compared to the state of things today!

Anyway, I also remember being quite jaded at the news. After all, it had been four years since TOD- which is like 20 years to a kid. I finally walked in thinking it wouldn't be the same, and walked out feeling exactly like I had after seeing Raiders. I couldn't believe they had pulled it off one last time.
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post #81 of 88
7/7/06 at 8:15am

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Special treat for NYers. Karen Allen will be at NY screenings this weekend.
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post #82 of 88
7/7/06 at 9:27am

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Darn! I will be in New York starting Sunday, through Friday.

I JUST missed a screening of Raiders. ARGHHH
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post #83 of 88
8/10/06 at 2:17pm

SSE MI HTF MEMBERS! Raiders of the Lost Ark IN ROYAL OAK

Anyone going this Friday night? Let's meet beforehand for dinner or drinks or both.

I plan on attending this Friday. I purchased tix already. I'm seeing An Inconvenient Truth at 9:30.
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post #84 of 88
8/10/06 at 3:21pm

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Originally Posted by Chris Atkins
It was an amazing period to be a young boy who liked movies (I am also 31, Jeff).

I would add:

GOONIES
STAR TREK 2: THE WRATH OF KHAN
THE LAST STARFIGHTER
SUPERMAN II
Just rewatched that the other day, with the cast video commenary. It's interesting to see how the players have faired since that time - I did an IMDb check afterwards as well to see how their careers had panned out. Strange to think how people who seemed so successful could just slip into obscurity so quickly. Corey Feldman is still the man in that movie, after all these years. Someone get that guy a decent TV role!

Oh, and one more classic movie to add from that year was Back to the Future. Power of Love is almost the soundtrack for that year for me!
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post #85 of 88
8/11/06 at 1:41am

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I was 15 years old, and thought I was madly in love with Harrison Ford - that alone was enough to get me into the theater.

It was the last summer before my best friend moved away, and we went to see it at least once a week for most of the summer at the matinees - Were matinees really $2.50?

Gawd, I feel ancient, but I know, as Indy did "It's not the years, it's the mileage!"
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post #86 of 88
8/12/06 at 7:13am

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Caught this at last night's midnight show in Royal Oak, MI. The crowd was full of fans and it was fun to see it on the big screen again.

The good: Most of the people in attendance were under the age of 30 but they new every line, every note; the theatre has a nice sound stage and the main screening room looks like old Hollywood with an Egyptian motif.

The movie is just plain awesome. The performances, the score, the action, the cinematography -- it is a different movie on a huge screen.

The bad: Uncomfortable seats and a bad print of the film. Scratches and marks and dust -- it went from okay to downright awful. Two dudes behind me talked a lot during the movie and their beer breath surrounded me.

Overall, it was a great night. I'm glad I went.
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post #87 of 88
8/30/06 at 9:23am

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More Indy In NY

including something I'd love to see;

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If that's not enough Indy excitement for you, the fabled "Raiders of the Lost Ark: The Adaptation" (the loving shot-by-shot "Raiders" tribute that a trio of intrepid young Indy fans shot over a seven year stretch of their childhoods) will get a special screening on September 30 at 8 p.m. Filmmakers Chris Strompolos, Jayson Lamb and Eric Zala will all be at the Dryden Theatre to present their film, a work that Steven Spielberg screened and met with the filmmakers to discuss! Admission to the "Adaptation" screening is $10 for general audiences, or $8 for students and museum members.

This would be perfect for the eventual HD Indy box.
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post #88 of 88
8/30/06 at 11:24am

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When Indy came out, I was 16, I had just gotten my drivers license and I took a girl to see it on my first real date. Don't remember a damn thing about the movie from that showing. It could have been played backwards and I wouldn't have known.

25 years later, one of my favorite movies, don't have the faintest idea what happened to that girl.
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