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post #451 of 3173

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Speak for yourself

I love the original trilogy, special editions included. I love the prequel trilogy. My problem has never been with the quality of the content, but rather with Lucas' business practices. So, as I said, I'm sitting this one out, but I'll come back when product I care for comes out. Simple.
post #452 of 3173

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Don't confuse Star Wars itself with the way Lucasfilm sometimes acts. Two different things.
Star Wars is fantastic! It can't be touched or altered or negatively affected in any way. All this
other stuff is just an annoyance.

What needs to be done will be done, one way or another. A word to the wise is sufficient.
post #453 of 3173

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From a social worker's standpoint in dealing with spousal abuse, the only way to get out of it is to leave it. Period. For the many abused among you, it is time to stop rewarding Lucas for his abuse and leave him. I guarantee you'll feel a whole lot better in the morning. I know I will.
post #454 of 3173

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For the record here's my response to the PR email I just received from LucasFilm:

"In response I can only ask:

If LucasFilm does not wish to spend the time and money to PROPERLY release the REAL original trilogy on DVD, why don’t you licence the rights to a company that actually CARES about films and film history such as Criterion?

Your honest response to that question would have to be, “Because George Lucas doesn’t want those films to see the light of day in a QUALITY release and it would also prove that it’s not as big an undertaking as we are TRYING to lead you to believe”.

Beyond that Star Wars is now dead to me. Thank you for trying so hard to destroy a lifetime’s worth of memories and fandom. What a fantastic way to treat those that made the films successful in the first place.

Sincerely,
Dave"

Unfortunately I forgot to add that I'll be looking forward to one of the new restoration efforts that Lee-c mentioned. So it's really Lucas and any of his "product" that's dead to me.
post #455 of 3173

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Again, this isn't about him, it's about Star Wars. I don't pay any attention to the crazy stuff he does
any more.
post #456 of 3173

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Looks like this thread is going downhill fast, just like the last one. What happened to being civil?

From the last page:

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Jack,
I remember all too well the ad slogan for the 1995 re-issue of the OT on vhs/laser- THE ORIGINALS-ONE LAST TIME.

NOW-9/12/06

It wasn't the last time was it?
If LF says NEVER, take it with a grain of salt.

LF said that 95 was the last release of the originals. They also said they had no plans at any point to release any of the SW films on DVD.
post #457 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Lee-c
Again, this isn't about him, it's about Star Wars. I don't pay any attention to the crazy stuff he does
any more.

You're right, but I guess I had to get it out of me.
post #458 of 3173

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From a social worker's standpoint in dealing with spousal abuse, the only way to get out of it is to leave it. Period. For the many abused among you, it is time to stop rewarding Lucas for his abuse and leave him. I guarantee you'll feel a whole lot better in the morning. I know I will.

1. Seriously? You're comparing Star Wars fandom with spousal abuse? Seriously for real not kidding? Give me a break the size of Jupiter and kindly stop trivializing a very serious issue (talking about spousal abuse here, smartasses).

2. See, disappointed though I may be, I'm not one of those fans who seems to think they're powerless in their "addiction", and so curse Lucas while simultaneously forking over cash for the very releases they despise. Like I said: I'm not happy with this release, I let LFL know about it, and will not be buying it. But when the films come out in HD, or the next Star Wars videogame I want comes out? Slate's clean. It's BUSINESS. They give me what I want, I pay them. They don't, I don't. Let's not make it any more than it is, 'kay?
post #459 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Dave - A
For the record here's my response to the PR email I just received from LucasFilm:

"In response I can only ask:

If LucasFilm does not wish to spend the time and money to PROPERLY release the REAL original trilogy on DVD, why don’t you licence the rights to a company that actually CARES about films and film history such as Criterion?

Your honest response to that question would have to be, “Because George Lucas doesn’t want those films to see the light of day in a QUALITY release and it would also prove that it’s not as big an undertaking as we are TRYING to lead you to believe”.

Beyond that Star Wars is now dead to me. Thank you for trying so hard to destroy a lifetime’s worth of memories and fandom. What a fantastic way to treat those that made the films successful in the first place.

Sincerely,
Dave"

Unfortunately I forgot to add that I'll be looking forward to one of the new restoration efforts that Lee-c mentioned. So it's really Lucas and any of his "product" that's dead to me.

lol tho i would luv to see this on criterion. i just know itd send them into the poor house with all the stuff criterion would wanna put on it and how much itd cost
post #460 of 3173

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Dave - A: I was responding to Richard's post, not yours.

Dont worry, in the end, justice will prevail.
post #461 of 3173

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Originally Posted by David ©
Star Wars fans are a lot like Janet Jackson fans in that they hang in there regardless of the situation turning shitty.

After Ms. Jackson's ex-husband stopped co-authoring her songs and co-producing with Jam and Lewis her stuff turned to dog shit.

Tina Landon stop choreographing and her dancing became less exciting.

My point is that Star Wars fans are basically hanging on to something dead like the best years of Janet's career.

David,
As far as I am concerned, it is Lucasfilm hanging on to something dead, by announcing this release. To be honest, in 2004, I was so thrilled with the print quality of the SW SE dvd's that I felt I could live with them, slightly hopeful that one day maybe the OT would come out again. I HAD put it aside until Lucasfilm announced this release for September. It is LF that is holding onto to something dead and re-opening the grave and those 1993 transfers are definiitely dead weight to me! I have no need for them.
post #462 of 3173

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Well, I too got the form reply, and, as many of you have already stated, it is clear that Lucas simply does not want the original, unaltered trilogy to look as good as [insert applicable year here] Special Editions.

We fought the good fight, and I don't regret it at all.

However, I do take solace in one thing: I'm fairly confident we'll see a restored original, unaltered Star Wars trilogy in our lifetime. The lack of future Star Wars movies and the fan-attrition occurring because of Lucasfilm's business decision, coupled with the fact that the general public will lose interest in Star Wars over time, just like they did in the years between the trilogies, means that one day they'll be so desparate for cash they'll actually give us what we want. If there's one thing we can count on Lucas for, its that he's never true to his word, this latest one included.
post #463 of 3173

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I honestly think the licensing idea is a great one, Dave. If they dont' want to put the effort or time in, don't. Let another company do it for you and get your profits that way. There's a market you're not servicing, that you've already proved you want to service buy building your entire marketing campaign around it. If you don't want to put as much time into restoration as you do into making one-sheets and flyers, then don't. Let Criterion do it, or Pioneer, or any other specialty house. Let them do the legwork for you. License it out.

I think that's a great idea, Dave.

And yes, I want to echo both Ricardo and Richard Kim: let's not let the thread spiral into hyperbolic garbage like comparisons to Spousal Abuse. I'm disappointed in this release, and will not be buying it. It's a business decision. I'm trying to tell them how they can get our money, and trying to get them to seriously consider their options. emails and letters got us this far. Maybe it can get us a little farther.

At the least, we finally got publicity to admit without a doubt they're simply slapping 13 year old laserdisc transfers onto a disc. The entertainment mags won't let that slide when they see those facts. Neither will reviewers. The negative publicity stemming from this decision is STILL avoidable. If only they make the right choice.

publicity@lucasfilm.com
lynne.hale@lucasfilm.com
post #464 of 3173

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I received my 'personal' reply from Lucasfilm too.

Lucasfilm hasn't changed their position. I haven't changed mine.

NO SALE!
post #465 of 3173

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Robert: There's this thing called ego, Lucas has lots of it. Do you think he'd let another company
release a Star Wars movie? Don't waste your time sending e-mails for such a thing, total waste
of effort. If they're going to release it right, Lucasfilm will do it, they will not have another company
do it for them. It's not about the time or cost, the experts in this thread have already stated it
would not cost a lot or take a long time to do a great job on it.
post #466 of 3173

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"...we could not put the extraordinary time and resources into this project.." You mean the type of time and resources that went into say..."Major Dundee"? Oh wait, I forgot how huge the "Major Dundee" franchise is.
post #467 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Mark_TB
I'm beginning to think Lucasfilm simply wants to put out a product that's just good enough to put the bootleggers out of business -- but nothing more than that. An "official" bootleg, if you will.

I'm not holding my breath for a HD version down the road.

Mark

Perhaps this release not meant to stop bootleggers in general, but rather aimed at those talented folks that as mentioned earlier are using various sources, LD and otherwise, to re-create the original unaltered non-SE versions with in many cases terrific quality. They are doing painstaking frame-by-frame cleanup, using computer tools that I'm sure pale to the mighty computing power Lucasfilm COULD have chosen to utilize to create an unaltered trilogy DVD release that would look stunning. As stated earlier, perhaps having SOME type of official DVD release of the unaltered trilogy in the marketplace will be used to stop those other efforts. LFL doesn't provide a pristine unaltered trilogy on DVD, and no one can either, because "officially" it exists in the marketplace....

I think I'll pick my marbles up and go home. My attic full of SW merchandise seems destined for eBay sooner that I originally imagined. I don't have much of an appetite for this galaxy far, far away anymore...
post #468 of 3173

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Paul, I got to agree. Once we all own the PT and the 20xx OT on holographic sensurround human eye definition DVD, they'll need to put out the unaltered OT to milk it a little further.
post #469 of 3173

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Steve, don't let this affect your enjoyment of Star Wars. Simply ignore the illegitimate stuff and focus
on the true Star Wars canon and collectibles that go with it.
post #470 of 3173

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Guys, this is all about re-releases and multiple dipping. Lucas has A LOT of milking to still do on standard definition DVD.....before the eventual high definition releases.

Let's see. More than likely we have the complete trilogy boxset coming next year.

I would suspect at some point after that, we'll get the original, restored movies with the slogan, "Demanded by popular demand, the original, unaltered versions with complete restoration and THX quality you deserve, blah, blah."

Then, a year or two after that, we'll get high definition releases of the special editions ONLY.

A year or two later, we'll high definitions of the unaltered originals.....

It's all a pattern, folks. It's been happening since the early 80's.
post #471 of 3173

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My response to the form letter:

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Bootleg it is, then... No more money for you!

Oh well...
post #472 of 3173
Thread Starter 

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The following email has been posted to Ms. Hale at LucasFilm:

Dear Lynne,

I've read the statement which has been released under your name.

I wanted to make very certain that you totally understand what both Star Wars fans and Home Theater aficionados have been trying to say. Occasionally the message may have become muddled from passion.

Everyone respectfully understands that Mr. Lucas prefers his updated versions of the films.

There is no argument.

Everyone understands that a proper of restoration of the films could be both expensive and time-consuming.

There is no argument.

Allow me to explain that this has nothing to do with "prints." It doesn't matter if prints are faded, scratched, or even missing every scene in which a favored character appears.

Prints are disposable.

That said, we must believe that acceptable Pre-print elements survive in the form of interpositives, dupe negatives and / or separation masters. If this is the case, then Fox would be totally capable of creating a new anamorphic video master. This is what their archival staff does on a daily basis, and they do it exceedingly well.

Assuming that these elements exist, then no one is suggesting the reconstruction of elements or a restoration that isn't necessary.

The single point that has so many people dissatisfied is that the original films are not being placed into home video distribution in WIDE SCREEN ANAMORPHIC format.

No one is requesting that the films be digitally cleaned and re-mastered to perfection, although many feel that they may be deserving of such treatment.

A bit of dirt; an occasional scratch; an errant mark here or there is not what this discussion has been about.

While the use of your 1993 masters, which were the highest quality of their era, would have been fine almost a decade ago, they are no longer of a quality requisite to be screened with black on all four sides on wide screen monitors, no less an modern projection devices.

Now that we all seem to have better communication, can we please re-consider a simple re-transfer in anamorphic widescreen as opposed to using archaic video masters.

This isn't what LucasFilm, which has always led in both quality as well technology has ever been about.

Without any high cost, without any restoration, and yet allowing Star Wars fans to properly screen on modern devices what to many is a veritable holy grail...

This should be a simple, painless and viable answer.

With best regards,

RAH
post #473 of 3173

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This is simply a way to give Lucas a $trong push into HD-DVD in 3-4 years time...

Pretty ridiculous imo.

And the initial cover art is terrible. They look like Universal releases circa 1998. They are trying to make these as unappealing as possible. They couldn't even see fit to put them in a simple slip box. The attitude behind this marketing ploy is of complete disrespect.

Here buy these... we're not putting any effort into the quality of the product... we're not even going to offer the basics of home video standard that the world has come to expect in 2006 with 16x9 enhanced transfers... we refuse to even offer half-decent covers that look like we spent a minimal ammount of time designing to promote these inferior discs... but buy them now because they are highly limited and we know we'll make a killing despite the fact that we outwardly don't care about this at all!!

No thanks.

I'm not a big SW enthusiast anyway, so it'll be easy to turn this crap down.


I'll stick with my "enhanced" editions that I bought last year, untill these are reissued again in two year's time.
post #474 of 3173

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**Heavy Sigh**

This film gets an anamorphic DVD transfer.....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...8434065/sr=1-1

.....But the OOT of Star Wars is somehow undeserving of the same treatment by LFL/GL.

**Additional Sighing Taking Place Here**

Just makes ya kinda....sad. Doesn't it?


P.S. to Robert A. Harris --- Fantastic letter to Ms. Hale at LFL. Hopefully that message won't sail over their heads without them even feeling the breeze.
post #475 of 3173

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There's this thing called ego, Lucas has lots of it.

Yes. I know. I was told the same thing by some posters when I started running around the internet a couple weeks ago posting contact information for Lucasfilm and trying to get it posted on a couple websites, including originaltrilogy. And not only did we end up getting a LOT of people involved in this through our concern and our emailing and phone-calling, we got Lucasfilm's attention in a big way.

All I'm doing is now taking them at their word. There's no reason not to continue applying pressure considering the wording they're using in their defense. If they're saying the main stumbling block is the lack of will to spend money to make money in regards to this decision--then I'm going to pressure them to end-run that stumbling block. Lucas has licensed everything else out--why not the versions of the movies he doesn't even really recognize anymore. Like I said, it can't be any worse than licensing Jar Jar Lik-M-Pops and inflatable chairs. And chances are this will get them much more money than that.

If that's the reason they're giving me, that's the reason I'm going to hammer on, and while I understand the sense of resignation a lot of fans have, I'm still gonna try. Especially now that I know they're really paying attention.

Usually we don't have that. Now we do. Now we do something with it. Look what's happened so far. Re-read Robert Harris' email to Lynne Hale. Check that out. I don't see the need to give up now that I know they're staring straight at us--and we're making this much sense right now.

Other people will notice. It's bound to happen.
post #476 of 3173

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Jar Jar Lik-M-Pops



Seriously, though, it's been a good effort. It is exceedingly rare for these campaigns to receive any kind of official response, and especially from Lucasfilm. We may not ultimately get what we want, but we have been heard.
post #477 of 3173

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I'm still gonna try. Especially now that I know they're really paying attention.

Usually we don't have that. Now we do. Now we do something with it.

I like your style, Robert. And while I don't think that the licensing angle is the right one, I don't want to give up either. It looks like Mr. Harris is continuing to fight on as well. I think what is needed here is something to rally around in order to regroup.
post #478 of 3173

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I think what is need{ed} here is something to rally around in order to regroup.

I say......

RALLY 'ROUND BOB (HARRIS)!
RALLY 'ROUND BOB!
RALLY 'ROUND BOB!

BOB MAKES SENSE!
BOB MAKES SENSE!
BOB MAKES SENSE (AND GREAT-LOOKING ARCHIVAL RESTORATIONS TOO)!


post #479 of 3173

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Great email, Robert.

We can't give up now.

Stay on target.... Stay on target!
post #480 of 3173

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I wouldn't be so bold as to presume that Mr. Harris wants to be the singular voice for all the disaffected Star Wars fans here; but it might make more sense, and we might get further along if we can somehow get Lucasfilm to actually listen to what he has to say and start a dialog with him rather than continuing to hammer away at them in our currently disorganized fashion.
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