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post #271 of 3173
5/21/06 at 2:58pm

Re: Star Wars discussion from The Bits...

Joel

No mate, I what the UK design for the UK, it brings back the hype and the excitement, sorry mate UK design, and you guys can have what ever you what….UK design Indispensable!

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post #272 of 3173
5/21/06 at 3:03pm
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Re: Star Wars discussion from The Bits...

Might I suggest that a different thread dealing with cover art, one sheets, etc. be started in another location.

This thread is probably best left to dealing with the question of transfers, masters, and the wonderful world of late 20th century technology used for 21st century purposes.

RAH
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post #273 of 3173
5/21/06 at 3:11pm

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Originally Posted by Aaron Reynolds
Actually, my point is that the source tape should be of higher quality than LD. It's still an old master and still less good than a new master would be. But this will not be the same as what you get from copying a laserdisc to DVD -- it should be better.

If the LD source tape is of a higher quality then that's all the more reason for an anamorphic transfer, IMO.
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post #274 of 3173
5/21/06 at 3:18pm

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I kinda wish they'd archived Star Wars on something better than D2 now. But regrettably I have to remember Digibetacam wasn't around for another 4-5 years.
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post #275 of 3173
5/21/06 at 3:54pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
..., and the wonderful world of late 20th century technology used for 21st century purposes.

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post #276 of 3173
5/21/06 at 3:56pm

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Not that picture quality would be improved much (if at all), but just out of curiosity, why couldn't (or wouldn't) Lucasfilm take these laserdisc transfers and adjust them to be anamorphic? ...especially since it has presumably been done on the bootlegs?
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post #277 of 3173
5/21/06 at 4:17pm

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Originally Posted by Dan Hinson
Not that picture quality would be improved much (if at all), but just out of curiosity, why couldn?t (or wouldn?t?) Lucasfilm take these laserdisc transfers and adjust them to be anamorphic? ?especially since it has presumably been done on the bootlegs?

I've still got a couple bucks on the line saying they will.
with the attendant spin of what a magnanimous gesture for the fans it is.
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post #278 of 3173
5/21/06 at 4:18pm

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Hay, Bob’ I haven’t got a problem with mate, if you what to talk transfer, let it be the best looking and with that of the original release, thou I would think it would be near to impossible for me to remember what the quality of the 35mm print looked like.

Apart form it being sharp and crystal clear, you know the one thing I miss seeing on DVD, is the queue dots, cigarette burns, yeah it’s not the same, I know some hear don’t like to see “queue dots” every 20 minutes, but that’s how some of us projectionists see it, but then all I have to do is look at the running time and the scene.

But I do miss those “queue dots.” Mate, I’m shattered I’m sticking around for a few more minutes then I’m getting some zzzz!
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post #279 of 3173
5/21/06 at 4:24pm

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Originally Posted by andySu
Apart form it being sharp and crystal clear, you know the one thing I miss seeing on DVD, is the queue dots, cigarette burns, yeah it’s not the same, I know some hear don’t like to see “queue dots” every 20 minutes, but that’s how some of us projectionists see it, but then all I have to do is look at the running time and the scene.

Why?

The only reason they're on film prints has to do with the need for projectionists to have a signal when to change reels. I'm not even sure why they put them on most prints now since most theaters use platter systems.

With DVD, they have no reason to be there.
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post #280 of 3173
5/21/06 at 4:43pm

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Patrick

Makes no odds mate, I noticed some of the early fox transfers had the cue dots on them, this was around the early 1990’s after a few more years, they phased them out, that is just criminal mate, thou don’t work in the cinema anymore, I have noticed on some films over the past 2 years, and I thought I needed glasses, as I couldn’t see the darn “queue dots” man I’m shattered, oh well only four months to go and all this madness will finally come to a conclusion, I hope, as I have better fish fry, I wished I had never seen the darn film LOL.
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post #281 of 3173
5/21/06 at 4:44pm

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Cigarrette burns are simply an example of bad quality release elements being utilized. They have no place anywhere.
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post #282 of 3173
5/21/06 at 4:53pm

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Originally Posted by Dan Hinson
Not that picture quality would be improved much (if at all), but just out of curiosity, why couldn't (or wouldn't) Lucasfilm take these laserdisc transfers and adjust them to be anamorphic?

They could, but you wouldn't be gaining any extra picture information, which is the whole point of anamorphic video. This has been covered a few times already in this thread.

I think most people asking for anamorphic transfers are asking for NEW transfers, not conversions from non-anamorphic masters.
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post #283 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:06pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
Might I suggest that a different thread dealing with cover art, one sheets, etc. be started in another location.

This thread is probably best left to dealing with the question of transfers, masters, and the wonderful world of late 20th century technology used for 21st century purposes.

RAH

I agree. Disc art and the look of the DVD covers are the LEAST of our worries here...I really couldn´t care less about THAT
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post #284 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:12pm

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Presentation must have shot past you at light speed then, sure fair enough, just as long as the film is accompanied with a six-track Dolby Stereo mix, as sound is my pet love, and I would like Lucasfilm to wow me, not disappoint me!
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post #285 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:14pm

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Originally Posted by JayHM
I think most people asking for anamorphic transfers are asking for NEW transfers, not conversions from non-anamorphic masters.

Exactly. Do it right or, please, just don't do it at all (IMO).
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post #286 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:26pm

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Originally Posted by JayHM
I think most people asking for anamorphic transfers are asking for NEW transfers, not conversions from non-anamorphic masters.

Absolutely.
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post #287 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:33pm

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Originally Posted by JayHM
I think most people asking for anamorphic transfers are asking for NEW transfers, not conversions from non-anamorphic masters.

Primarily what has been said is they need to be anamorphic at a minimum, but if its to be done why not do it right with a restoration.
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post #288 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:36pm

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This all brings up a very good point, if, amongst ourselves, we're not sure what we're asking for, how can we expect Lucasfilm to respond to us.

As ShaunG stated, I think we need to rally around new, anamorphic transfers, and if a restoration is what it takes, then so be it. If not, fine.
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post #289 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:38pm

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The worse transfer of the Star Wars trilogy in living memory, had to been the NTSC to PAL UK transfers that fox shamefully did around the early 1990’s, god did they suck or what, and there apology was a brand new PAL transfer a few years later, which had colour in it, other than the milked out pale transfer they did before, I hope they don’t pull a fast one, they should give us, the consumer the best, and best will only do.
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post #290 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:42pm
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You can't make a request from a menu without the menu.

If LF is about to add anything at all to their previous statements, the single overriding question to be answered is:

Did LF force the destruction of all original film elements not used in the SE at vaults everywhere?

If this is fact, then the situation becomes more interesting, and a bit more of a challenge.

The amount of film that we're referring to here would be an enormous amount of industrial waste.

And I'll voice the opinion, once again, that it makes absolutely no sense.

RAH
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post #291 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:43pm

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
This all brings up a very good point, if, amongst ourselves, we're not sure what we're asking for, how can we expect Lucasfilm to respond to us.

As ShaunG stated, I think we need to rally around new, anamorphic transfers, and if a restoration is what it takes, then so be it. If not, fine.


Not bad, please don’t let it be, for the UK, NO! They look like they trying to sale me Ice-Cream with those colourful covers, which flavour would you like sir?
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post #292 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:46pm

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They can read this site, and then sit around the table, and brainstorm this idea out till there blue in the face, the clock is ticking and September 2006 is not far of now!
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post #293 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:48pm

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Can anyone point to an example of an enhanced for 16 by 9 dvd produced from a non-anamorphic master?

Any appreciable gains in the quality over the NA disc?

I suppose if Lucasfilm has some really decent software where they could synthetically push the definition a little, enhance the "appearance" of resolution with some non-degrading sharpening (if such a thing exists) and then smooth out any rough edges, it might well be worth pumping these old masters through a battery of computers to see what they'd end up with. They could even do some color correction, a bit of clean up, etc.

Illusiory or not, if it looked better to the eye, an anamorphic tweak might be worth it. We'd just have to see the result; they may be doing some of that anyway--from what I hear--just without anamorphic enhancement.


--Jack
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post #294 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:52pm

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Here's a dumb question. They are also selling a full-frame pan/scan version. Since the laserdiscs were never full-frame, how are they creating that? Are they actually spending some effort on that, of all things?
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post #295 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:55pm
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There was certainly a VHS pan & scan release. This would service the current needs quite well.
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post #296 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:57pm

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That may only pertain to the '04 versions and not the original theatrical (which would be wide in both sets). But if they are doing P&S versions, seems they'd have to doing a digital zoom of sorts to create them.
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post #297 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:57pm

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Originally Posted by AlexCosmo
Here's a dumb question. They are also selling a full-frame pan/scan version. Since the laserdiscs were never full-frame, how are they creating that? Are they actually spending some effort on that, of all things?
Maybe it's the vhs master instead?
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post #298 of 3173
5/21/06 at 5:59pm

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This all brings up a very good point, if, amongst ourselves, we're not sure what we're asking for, how can we expect Lucasfilm to respond to us.
While I agree that they should be anamorphic (from a high quality source), if that (miraculously) happens, we will THEN run into 'other' demands (i.e. sound presentation, opening crawl, where the subtitles should be, etc.). Face it, people are just WAY too demanding on how these things should be released and whenever one request gets filled, the fans then move on to the next request (and so on and so on). So it's almost impossible for anyone to really know what we want. I mean, people are complaining about COVER art!!!

I don't know HOW Lucasfilms can figure out what people really want when the demands seem almost impossible to meet.
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Maybe it's the vhs master instead?
There could very well be a Beta tape of the pan and scan version that was developed for VHS dubbing.
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post #299 of 3173
5/21/06 at 6:00pm

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If it's considered bonus material, it's possible that the original versions will still be the letterboxed versions even on the Fullscreen DVDs.
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post #300 of 3173
5/21/06 at 6:00pm

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Well, Anamorphic or not.. remember these are being "presented" as they where originally ment to be seen. At the very least with this release it will preserve the intergrity of the talent that made these films come to life, before any changes got made. I would most certainly expect that Mr. Lucas is also got plans on seeing that a proper anamorphic transfer & audio upgrade will be included on the eventual Ultimate Box set release of all six films in thier various presentations...............
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