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post #181 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Josh Simpson
Exactly, Ron! We already know that hardcore fans will buy, and rebuy these movies. We've already proven that. I'd buy them now and then again on a new format.

Me too. Hell, I bought the trilogy on VHS at least 5 different times so I'd obviously be willing to double, triple or quadruple dip on "HIGH QUALITY" DVDs and high-def discs.
post #182 of 3173

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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
I have to comment about Lucas's quote because it can be taken 2 ways.

He says: "We didn't do anything to it at all. But we're not sure how many people want that." - Now most here are seeing that as him saying that most people don't want the OT, but the way I see it is, he is saying they "didn't do anything to it at all" meaning, they didn't spend the time and money for an anamorphic transfer.

Could THAT possibly be what he then means by "we're not sure how many people want that" - Could he possibly realize that most people don't want non-anamorphic?

Could it be that this release was REALLY meant to re-release the 2004 editions and also add the OT's as a tester for the new market? Meaning, is this set is marketed to those 'younger/first time' viewers who ONLY want the 2004 editions (who have no idea about the originals), then (hopefully) get them to watch originals (out of curiosity), in the hopes that when/if they do release the OT (with a proper transfer) that they will sell better now that more than just the 'fans' are interested?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I realize the quote about "This is the edition people have been bitching about" (or whatever it was), but maybe that was to get these new fans more interested?

If this is all true, it would be nice to know and not led to believe that this is the only way it will ever be out of DVD (or future media).

I just want to know the exact truth before I make a monetary decision.

PLEASE someone get to the real truth!


It all comes down to Lucasfilms & GL being truthful and honest with the customers. Be up front with us, I'm sure the fan base would understand the reasons if they just told us the truth.

Furthermore, we have shown limitless patience concerning the release of the original trilogy. I'm sure we would have no problem waiting a couple years more if we knew Lucasfilm & GL were working on high quality transfers of the originals.

I would recommend that all future releases of the Star Wars saga include or have simultaneous releases of the originals & SE side by side. In fact every time the SE are changed or added to simply package them together with the original and release them. People will still buy them.
post #183 of 3173

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I have those laser discs. I've already burned them to dvd. I had every intention of buying these, but if it's not at least anamorphic, then forget it. I'll keep my money and Lucas can keep his delusions and we'll both be relatively happy.
post #184 of 3173

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we have shown limitless patience concerning the release of the original trilogy.
They have? I think the reason that this release is happening at all is because they haven't shown any patience and haven't given up trying to see the OOT released.
post #185 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Jeff Jacobson
"Now we'll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions..." - George Lucas

I would like Mr. Lucas to explain the logic of this if the only way you can get the original versions is to purchase the 2004 versions? Seems to me the sales ratio would be, erm...1:1 to my math (took me a bit of calculation but I think I got it). And last time I checked there was no way for him to track which version we watch in our players (or am I just being naive? :p ) If his way of proving to himself he was correct that the public really loves his tweaks to the trilogy is to put out inferior product then more power to him I guess. He ultimately is correct in my case because I won't be buying them, but then again he won't be getting my money (not that he probably cares much at this point.)
post #186 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Jeff Jacobson
According to this article, it's not generosity:

You might say quite a few, considering how many fans were angered by the digitized, expanded updates of episodes IV, V and VI. Lucas claims he's not re-releasing the originals to appease fans, but rather to bate them. "Now we'll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions," he said. "It'll all come out in the end."

wasn't sure of the use of the word bate so I looked it up:


Bate:

1 : to reduce the force or intensity of : RESTRAIN
2 : to take away : DEDUCT
3 archaic : to lower especially in amount or estimation
post #187 of 3173

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Originally Posted by TravisR
They have? I think the reason that this release is happening at all is because they haven't shown any patience and haven't given up trying to see the OOT released.

When I said patience I meant that the fan base "haven't given up trying to see the OOT released"

Just because the fan base is pro active in trying to encourage Lucasfilm & GL to release them doesn't mean they are not patient. If the fan base wasn't patient then there would be no more demand for the originals because no one would have patience to wait for them to be released on DVD anymore.
post #188 of 3173

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This whole thing is just so frustrating. Like so many others I have never been so passionate about a series of films and I doubt I ever will be again.

Now, if there is a fancy new HD version in the not so distant future, that's great. But it doesn't do us any good right now. And many people will be inclined to stick with standard DVD for the near future; at least until the whole HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray format war sorts itself out. And there's a chance they could both lose and HD on disc just goes away or becomes a niche market item like SACD and DVD-A. Given that, a regular DVD would serve quite nicely for the forseeable future so I hope everyone keeps raising a stink about this and doesn't succumb to buying the new ones just to prove they're popular.

Dave

NO ANAMORPHIC = NO SALE
post #189 of 3173

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In a related story (which I don't think has been mentioned yet)...

Since I live a short distance away from where the Motor City Comic Con was being held (in Novi, MI), I decided to go yesterday.

The big event would be the busting of a bunch of bootleg DVD dealers (there are always lots of bootleggers at that Con). The local police (as well as members of the MPAA and RIAA) suddenly began popping up. Dealers were placed in handcuffs, and the bootleg DVDs were placed in boxes (and subsequently carted into a waiting U-Haul outside).

Never saw anything like this bust before. They were selling the usual stuff: rare tv shows/movies, anime, and, of course, the original Star Wars movies.

The few dealers that were selling fan-made movies and such seemed to be left alone, far as I could tell.

I can't help but notice the coincidence in timing: right after Lucasfilm announces the release of the original versions of the Star Wars films on DVD, this big bust happens. Or maybe it's just a general crackdown on piracy. Hmmmmm....


It's very possibly that Lucasfilm is:

A. Releasing these DVDs to help put an end to piracy of the movies.

B. Tossing some crumbs out so the people who want the original trilogy on DVD will stop whining. "You want it? Here it is! Just like you remember the laserdiscs being!".

C. To punish the people who use the laserdiscs as a basis for illegal bootleg DVDs by releasing the laserdisc versions ON DVD!
post #190 of 3173

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Greg, I saw the same crackdown on bootleggers at a comic con last year. I'm sure it has more to do with the MPAA than anything else.
post #191 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Greg K
In a related story (which I don't think has been mentioned yet)...

Since I live a short distance away from where the Motor City Comic Con was being held (in Novi, MI), I decided to go yesterday.

The big event would be the busting of a bunch of bootleg DVD dealers (there are always lots of bootleggers at that Con). The local police (as well as members of the MPAA and RIAA) suddenly began popping up. Dealers were placed in handcuffs, and the bootleg DVDs were placed in boxes (and subsequently carted into a waiting U-Haul outside).

Never saw anything like this bust before. They were selling the usual stuff: rare tv shows/movies, anime, and, of course, the original Star Wars movies.

The few dealers that were selling fan-made movies and such seemed to be left alone, far as I could tell.

I can't help but notice the coincidence in timing: right after Lucasfilm announces the release of the original versions of the Star Wars films on DVD, this big bust happens. Or maybe it's just a general crackdown on piracy. Hmmmmm....


It's very possibly that Lucasfilm is:

A. Releasing these DVDs to help put an end to piracy of the movies.

B. Tossing some crumbs out so the people who want the original trilogy on DVD will stop whining. "You want it? Here it is! Just like you remember the laserdiscs being!".

C. To punish the people who use the laserdiscs as a basis for illegal bootleg DVDs by releasing the laserdisc versions ON DVD!


A) is a good theory however at $30/ea. I doubt it will be effective when bootlegs cost $20 for all three movies on ebay.
post #192 of 3173

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This may be overestimating the SW fan base, but does anyone think that Lucas could single handedly tip the balance in the favor of one HD format by signing an exclusivity deal?

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post #193 of 3173

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Greg, I saw the same crackdown on bootleggers at a comic con last year. I'm sure it has more to do with the MPAA than anything else.




Possibly.

But I've been going to that Con for years and years, and this is the first time I saw that happen. I just find it coincidental.


Anyhoo, it seems to me that this whole thing is:

A. Lucas' half-hearted attempt to appease the whining fans.

B. Milking the cow before the inevitable 30th anniversary HD megaset.
post #194 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Holadem
This may be overestimating the SW fan base, but does anyone think that Lucas could single handedly tip the balance in the favor of one HD format by signing an exclusivity deal?

--
H


YES, Absolutely! The Matrix made DVD, high quality transfers of Star Wars (originals & SE) on HD-DVD or Blu-ray would definately seal the deal IMO.
post #195 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Greg K
Anyhoo, it seems to me that this whole thing is:

A. Lucas' half-hearted attempt to appease the whining fans.

B. Milking the cow before the inevitable 30th anniversary HD megaset.
I'd pharse it differently but I think it's a little bit of both.
post #196 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Holadem
This may be overestimating the SW fan base, but does anyone think that Lucas could single handedly tip the balance in the favor of one HD format by signing an exclusivity deal?

--
H


Absolutely. It would definitely help me pick a side in the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray fiasco.
post #197 of 3173

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Originally Posted by TravisR
I'd pharse it differently but I think it's a little bit of both.

Only time will tell.


I still find it scary that the 2004 DVDs have been released so many times already (and without any quality-control-type corrections).
post #198 of 3173

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I hope it doesn't turn out that way. Ideally every movie should be released on every format and then the consumers determine which format lasts.
post #199 of 3173

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The interesting part of all this is, even if he gave us a first-rate
restoration on DVD this fall, we would STILL buy the High Definition
release in a few years. You could put the most perfect copy of
STAR WARS on DVD right now and fans will still rush out to buy a
copy that they know looks even better on High Definition.
Ron, while I agree with you on that, I also wonder...what if we were told that there were plans for an HD release in a few years? Would these non-anamorphic releases still be as upsetting?

While I don't like it, at least it would be a nice 'hold over' until the HD releases come out...

Or is that what everyone is pissed at? We would rather have nothing (for the time being) rather than a 'hold over' transfer?

Throwing $60 at a 'hold over' trasfer (if an HD version is in the works) really isn't going to kill me.
post #200 of 3173

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Originally Posted by MarkHastings
Throwing $60 at a 'hold over' trasfer (if an HD version is in the works) really isn't going to kill me.

"IF" is the key word there.
post #201 of 3173

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Why do so many assume an HD Star Wars is coming for the 30th anniversary? It took 7 years of highly successful DVD market penetration for the OT to get released. What makes people think 1 year of an incredibly botched dual format mess is going to inspire him to release on HD so quickly?

I wouldn't bet on any Star Wars in HD before the 35th anniversary.
post #202 of 3173

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I've never expected an HD release for the 30th Anniversary, but I do expect a big Saga DVD box set in '07 which makes this release all the more puzzling when you think about it.
post #203 of 3173

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I've said this before, but it bears repeating. It is my opinion that the reasons for this release are: 1) Cross-promoting new toys and video games, 2) Selling old stocks of 2004 DVDs, and 3) Releasing Lucas of any 'obligation' to include the original, unaltered trilogy on any forthcoming uber boxset, and probably in that order as well.

I think that this is the only time you will see the original, unaltered trilogy on standard DVD, which is all the more reason to do it right the first time. As far as a Blu-Ray or and HD DVD release, I think we'll all be waiting until there is a prevailing HD format and it has gained sufficient market penetration, and that may be longer than the seven years it took DVD to. After all, how many people are still confused about what anamorphic means in 2006 and on DVD-related forums no less! Do you think the general public has a better understanding, or will be quick to adopt whatever the previaling high definition format is any time soon?
post #204 of 3173

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Good point, Paul. I've been on other forums and the lack of understanding about anamorphic DVDs is 100 times worse than it is here. I just don't see HD-DVD or Blu-Ray taking off for quite some time which means a SW release on either format is probably years away.
post #205 of 3173

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Excellent post, Paul.
post #206 of 3173

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I also think that it's part of the pattern of releasing these on DVD: First the 4 disc box set in 2004, then the 3 disc box set in 2005 - and now, releasing them individually.

However, since the overwhelming majority of people who were ever going to own Star Wars on DVD have already bought either box set, there has to be some catch or added bonus to make sure these DVDs sell, so that's where adding the original cuts come in...just an added feature with little or no effort put into it, but will most definitely boost sales, at least somewhat.

Unfortunately, and this may be where Lucas is right though, it's likely that most average people (and even a fair amount of fans) prefer the SE's, so, strictly from a business perspective, would it be economically viable to put the money, time and effort into a full blown restoration of the original cuts?

Certainly most people on these boards, myself included, would love a true restoration, and I would like to think, and it seems, most people on this board would not buy anything (substantially) less. I can definitely say that's the case with me. I will not buy them, and will not put them, even far down, on my Christmas list. Yet are there enough of us that it would make strong business sense to do a real restoration?

But then again, most of us (I hope) won't buy these new discs, so it wouldn't make that much sense of putting them there with subpar transfers in the first place. Sure it will boost sales a bit, but it can't be that much, can it? At least if they're thinking we will buy them no matter what, then I really hope they're in for a rude awakening.
post #207 of 3173

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If there's enough people to warrant an anamorphic transfer of Lone Wolf Mcquade, there's enough for Star Wars.
post #208 of 3173

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Why do so many assume an HD Star Wars is coming for the 30th anniversary?
Probably the same reasons why others are assuming there is an evil motive behind this release. Anything is possible with LucasFilms, considering it's wild/confusing history of video releases.
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After all, how many people are still confused about what anamorphic means in 2006 and on DVD-related forums no less!
Very true.
post #209 of 3173

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That's right, there are plenty of cult films that get loving treatment from companies like Anchor Bay and Blue Underground and I'm pretty sure those companies are doing well.

Surely the demand for the original cuts of the Star Wars Trilogy from fans would exceed that of most films those companies deal with, that they would warrent, at the very least, the same kind of attention they give the movies they release.
post #210 of 3173

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Originally Posted by Mark Hawley
strictly from a business perspective, would it be economically viable to put the money, time and effort into a full blown restoration of the original cuts?

The quantity of units sold IF they choose to restore or present an anamorphic release would be multiples of what will be sold if they choose not to, IMO.

If my opinion could be tested in a computer simulation then the cost of the restoration would be pennies compared to the profits that would be made. Not just profits from the initial release of a restored trilogy but the profits from all future releases of the originals.
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