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post #31 of 77
4/15/06 at 1:55pm
Hey Ron,

Glad to hear that you are happy with your HD-DVD player. Guess all you need now is HD-DVD disc's to enjoy in your new player. Enjoy

I am still waiting to get my Blu-ray player
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post #32 of 77
4/15/06 at 1:59pm
Thanks for the update Mike.

I´m very disappointed the player doesn´t play R2 discs since my collection is made of both R1 and R2 discs. I own about 100 R2 discs and 200 R1. As you can see I import most of my DVD´s from the US.

Pall F
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post #33 of 77
4/15/06 at 2:52pm
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since the unit doesn't allow upscaling on component output.
I thought this was disc dependent ie if the disc has copy protection component upscaling is not allowed. Otherwise upscaling over component is allowed.
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post #34 of 77
4/15/06 at 3:20pm
Yes, it is disc dependent. However, with the few discs I've done, I don't remember seeing a flag to prevent upscaling. This could be a by-product of some other flag.
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post #35 of 77
4/15/06 at 3:47pm
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that a good question mike, i was also wondering that.


Thanks, Tony. I asked for the obvious reason. My HD-TV does not have HDMI capability...only component.

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I thought this was disc dependent ie if the disc has copy protection component upscaling is not allowed. Otherwise upscaling over component is allowed.


But don't most discs have copy protection? This is where I get confused on the issue. I thought the big problem was that consumers would not be able to use HD gear over component connections. Excuse my ignorance...I haven't kept completely up-to-date on the discussion.

I am also guessing, since it has component connections, that this player WILL allow true HD via component?
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post #36 of 77
4/15/06 at 3:59pm
I was able to pick one up today w/ Last Samurai. Last Samurai HD-DVD will output 720p or 1080i over component. I believe all initial titles will allow either resolution over component. But copy protected SD-DVDs can only be upconverted to 720p or 1080i over HDMI. I don't think the upconversion is better than my Oppo though. Also Last Samurai HD-DVD looked a lot better at 1080i than 720p into my Toshiba MT700(720 native). This tells me the scaler in my projector is better than whats in the player.
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post #37 of 77
4/15/06 at 4:41pm
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But don't most discs have copy protection?
You would think so Mike but if you scan the Zenith 318 and LG7832 upconverting DVD player threads here and over at AVSForum it is not true.

The LG, which I have, upconverts all SDs. However if you apply a firmware upgrade to correct some other issues the component upconversion is crippled to those SD DVDs that do not copy protection.
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post #38 of 77
4/15/06 at 5:07pm
The best place I have found to get HDMI > DVI cables is thru Blue Jeans Cable. I have picked them up to use with my HTPC to my Mits and they work great. And they are lot cheaper than other options I priced out.
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post #39 of 77
4/15/06 at 5:08pm
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Picked up an AR HDMI cable to hook it up


Ron, I saw one on display today here in Vegas and I got to look at the instruction manual. Did it come with an HDMI cable?
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post #40 of 77
4/15/06 at 5:19pm
so the hdmi->dvi will do the same thing as a straight hdmi->hdmi.

my mits has dvi no hdmi.
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post #41 of 77
4/15/06 at 5:20pm
I'm not able to be an early adopter this time around but I have tried to follow the HD software news just to stay in the know if you will. Have to admit it's kind of cool reading this thread for the latest HTF members results.

Who really cares what format wins out...because sooner or later, we all win with the quality envelope being pushed further than it ever has for pre-recorded media. Hope all of you early adopters have a great time with your new gear, and keep us informed.
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post #42 of 77
4/15/06 at 8:32pm
Thread Starter 
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Guess all you need now is HD-DVD disc's to enjoy in your new player. Enjoy

No kidding! I've tried just about everywhere around here and no one will sell until Tuesday.


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Did it come with an HDMI cable?

Yes, it's the one I'm using, I returned my 6' $98 AR (Acoustic Research) cable today and ordered up a 35' Blue Jeans HDMI cable for $70.
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post #43 of 77
4/16/06 at 8:48pm
this has got to be one of the deadest forums on the HTF the past week.
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post #44 of 77
4/17/06 at 3:56pm
I have a question.What if my tv only has One HDMI input and I use it for HD Directv? How can I hook up HD DVD or Blue Ray with a HDMI cable?
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post #45 of 77
4/17/06 at 4:39pm
will this player play the WM hi def films like the one on the terminator 2 extreme version?
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post #46 of 77
4/17/06 at 6:27pm
Thats a good question about T2..I'll check, though I SERIOUSLY doubt it.
I picked up a player and Last Samurai and Serinity today.
Glad I did. Lovin it.
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post #47 of 77
4/18/06 at 6:53am
Thread Starter 
Was able to pick up POTO and TLS last night. Spun POTO for about 1/2 hour skipping around the movie.

I have the A1 wired up to a Z3 with a 35' HDMI cable for video and a coax connection of the audio, I have an 85" DIY gray screen. I have the A1 set at 1080i

The Image
Outstanding, the image was awesome. Very crisp, clean and sharp, so much detail in everything, it's amazing. The colors were very accurate, and very vivid, flesh tones looked very natural as well, more so then with SD-DVD. Blacks were deep and dark with great detail. This machine puts out a seriously impressive image.

The Sound
Excellent as well. My Outlaw 950 does light up with the DTS logo with the dd track playing but the sound is no different from SD-DVDs, very dynamic, deep bass and no tinny sound. The ouput is a bit lower as I normally listen at about -18 and to achieve the same level I had to turn it up to -06. Other then that, it sounds fantastic.

All I can say is WOW! This HD-DVD is a keeper, I am very impressed. Once I get the player in the rack I will wire it up with the analog outputs and give that a try over the coax.
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post #48 of 77
4/18/06 at 7:30am
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my mits has dvi no hdmi.

As long as your mits dvi input has the HDCP algorithm you should be fine. Check your manual to be sure. I some of the original dvi-input TVs did not have HDCP.
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post #49 of 77
4/18/06 at 7:32am
I tried getting movies from my local BB last night. The guy was being a dick about the whole thing (meaning his attitude, not because it wasn't street date), despite the fact that TWO BBs in a 20 mile radius were selling movies yesterday (but were sold out by the time I got out of work), not to mention all the BBs around the country that were selling movies since last week. I realize the whole street date thing, but when your store sells players for a brand new format and only get TWO copies of each title in the store, I think they could bend the rules for one week, don't you? Two copies aren't going to make or break sales.

I was lucky enough to scoot out of work at 9:50 this morning and went to a different BB, picking up TLS and Serenity. They had PotO but I wasn't interested in it. They did not yet get Doom or Apollo 13.

So as soon as I get home, I'll spin them up.
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post #50 of 77
4/18/06 at 7:50am
Amir from Microsoft posted on AVS the other day that the DVD standard prohibits upscaling above 480p via analog means (i.e., component). It can only be done via digital (HDMI, in this case). Oddly, the High-def standard allows higher resolution to be passed via the components, but that's the only instance where the ICT flagging would come into play.
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post #51 of 77
4/18/06 at 7:53am
Does anyone know if this unit can do more than 5.1 over HDMI? Are the current Pioneer/Yamaha/other HDMI-receivers capable of doing true discrete 7.1 over the HDMI input?

I have a Pioneer 1015 that only has a 5.1 analog input and the unit will not do any sort of processing on that input to create the 2-extra rear channels. So if I bought this unit I would either sacrafice the two rear speakers to use the newer high resolution surround formats or sacrafice the high res surround to use the two rear speakers.

I really think limiting this player to 5.1 analog output is to force those who buy now to buy again next year when the players have 7.1 analog out are released. Some receivers have had 7.1 inputs for a couple of years.

I agree that in most setups it becomes a challenge to find space for those extra speakers, but when you have a larger dedicated room those extra speakers can help solidify the sound field. Also I thought the idea behind the new DD+/TrueHD/dts-HD was to make the move from matrixed 7.1 to true discrete 7.1 and beyond.

I am happy to see the content providers implementing the higher data rates for surround. The modern cineplexes are not currently doing true discrete 7.1 so is there any motivation for the studio to mix 7.1 tracks for the small number of end users in the home environment?

There are still a ton of questions that need to be answered about HD-DVD/BluRay.
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post #52 of 77
4/18/06 at 1:56pm
Engadget has some nice shots of the HD-A1 with the lid off. Nothing too surprising as its pretty much just a PC. Intel processor, 1G of 333Hz RAM, etc. But I must say that does look like one serious fan/heatsink.

Chris S.
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post #53 of 77
4/22/06 at 4:34pm

Re: ***Official HD-DVD Player Thread***

The pure processing power required to pump out HDTV is such that I'm not even slightly surprised these have fans in them. I strongly suspect fans will be a staple in HD-disc players, or else they'll be monster-sized and basically one big heatsink. Some form of active cooling will be all but unavoidable, most likely.

But mayhap I'm a pessimist, it's been known to happen.
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post #54 of 77
4/22/06 at 6:03pm

Re: ***Official HD-DVD Player Thread***

I was going to wait. Since my HDTV only has component inputs, I thought that was a good choice. Well, I caved. When I read that they are delivering 1080i over component outputs and I discovered the local Sears has them on sale for $475, I ordered one. Won't be in until the 26th so I guess I can wait a few more days.
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post #55 of 77
4/22/06 at 7:34pm

Re: ***Official HD-DVD Player Thread***

http://www.i4u.com/article5485.html

has the insides also...
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post #56 of 77
4/22/06 at 8:58pm

Re: ***Official HD-DVD Player Thread***

did that guy void his warranty
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post #57 of 77
4/24/06 at 5:23am

Re: ***Official HD-DVD Player Thread***

Tony D- Sorry it took so long to respond, but the high def version of T2 extreme edition does NOT work. A bit disappointing, but it's what I expected.
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post #58 of 77
4/30/06 at 2:46pm

Re: ***Official HD-DVD Player Thread***

That was very interesting actually. That tells me that Toshiba was in such a rush to beat Sony to market. That they slaped together a player just to say they went to market first. The second generation players will most likely boot up faster and perform better. And have the bugs fixed in order to truely try to compete against Sony's Blu-ray HD player.

I did see HD-DVD at my local BB and the picture did look good. Even with a poorly set up hd display it still was impressive. IMHO the choice of a small 40" LCD was not the best choice in the world to demonstrate a HD format.

Because there is a Intel P4 in the HD-DVD player I am not suprised to see the fan on the back. I am not to thrilled about Toshiba using a PC drive to play HD-DVD discs in a home player.

If Sony does not get there act together and there is no Blu-ray players available by next year. I will most likely end up backing HD-DVD and I will then start building my HD library with HD-DVD discs.
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post #59 of 77
5/9/06 at 9:21am

Re: ***Official HD-DVD Player Thread***

FWIW, my local Best Buy had the player back in stock today.
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post #60 of 77
5/9/06 at 9:31am

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i noticed the north wilmington del store had a return.
it was 450.00
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