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post #1 of 346
4/7/06 at 9:11am
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Looks like this might actually be moving forward. I thought the best part of "Terminator 3" was Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
the end with the actual destruction of mankind
, so naturally I'm excited to now see the actual battles between men and machines that was only hinted about in the other films.

I don't know if the writers they chose are such a good idea but it's definitely worth attempting.

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=22963
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post #2 of 346
4/7/06 at 9:27am
I'll see it, but I hope Arnold makes King Conan first.
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post #3 of 346
4/7/06 at 9:29am
David, you may want to spoilerize the end of T3, and put several empty lines before it since it shows up in the previews otherwise.

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post #4 of 346
4/7/06 at 9:44am
Actually, that was the best part of the film. If Arnie going to be in it, I'll kill myself if he goes nude again:p)
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post #5 of 346
4/7/06 at 1:34pm
I'm going to get crucified for saying this, but given the direction #4 will be going in, it won't matter to me if Arnold isn't in it, the story doesn't necessarily require him.

If it's going to be dealing with the war between man and Skynet, that means that it will mostly take place on battlefields where Terminators aren't required to be covered in skin since the jig is most definitely up at that point.

If there's a scene or two involving "infiltrator" Terminators, then Arnold may be needed, but I would think that Skynet is smart enough to realize that the humans know what that model looks like with skin and discontined it.

Just because it's a Terminator film does not automatically mean that Arnold is called for in the story. They should make this one cold, hard and gritty as hell, with an R rating if possible, I want to go into the theater and live the nightmare that Reese was talking about in the original, he had pure pain in his eyes while relating that whole thing to Sarah...I want that to come across in this one.
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post #6 of 346
4/7/06 at 2:01pm
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I'm going to get crucified for saying this, but given the direction #4 will be going in, it won't matter to me if Arnold isn't in it, the story doesn't necessarily require him.


i fully agree- in fact, i would say the presence of Arnie (if the role were substainal and not just a cameo) would be a contrivance that drag the full potential of the movie down.
this franchise/story is primed to spin off into new and interesting directions. I hope they take advantage of that fact.

i enjoyed 3- far more than i ever thought i would- and the best part to me was
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the implication of the ending- that its not just John Conners previous training/knowledge that makes him the eventual leader- authority is crystalized around him primarily because of where he is on Judgement Day. The implication being that preperation is meaningless without fortunate happenstance.


it somewhat soils the "no fate but what we make' mantra of 2, but i think its a lot more realistic myself.

this series could evolve like Planet Of The Apes did..each film spinning off wildly from the last for quite a while...as long as imagination holds out.
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post #7 of 346
4/7/06 at 2:11pm
That's the thing about fate, no matter what one does to try and alter it, circumstances will inevitably lead the individual right where he/she was predetermined to end up.

I just thought of the perfect model for Terminator 4...I want Black Hawk Down with Terminators and HK's.
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post #8 of 346
4/7/06 at 3:25pm
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If there's a scene or two involving "infiltrator" Terminators, then Arnold may be needed

They don't need Ahhnuld anymore. SkyNet would not be stupid enough to use only one skin model to infiltrate a human base. Besides, weren't there multiple "skin jobs" in Kyle's dream/memory sequence in the first Terminator film? I seem to remember a long haired "skin job" breaking into the base.

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post #9 of 346
4/7/06 at 5:32pm
It took me a long time to see TERMINATOR 3 and quite honestly taken as a whole it wasn't my favorite. However I really did love the end and how it sets up T4. That left me on the edge of my seat for a sequel.

I agree T4 doesn't really need Arnold cause now it's John's story!
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post #10 of 346
4/7/06 at 9:36pm
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Besides, weren't there multiple "skin jobs" in Kyle's dream/memory sequence in the first Terminator film? I seem to remember a long haired "skin job" breaking into the base.


Yup, that was one of Arnold bodybuilding buddies.

I know it would be hard watching a Terminator without the Govenator!

They could always get OJ Simpson like they originally wanted. He'd be a great Terminator.
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post #11 of 346
4/8/06 at 10:25pm
Yes! I just hope they can find a director who can bring it on like Cameron did with that scene mentioned above:
They should make this one cold, hard and gritty as hell, with an R rating if possible, I want to go into the theater and live the nightmare that Reese was talking about in the original, he had pure pain in his eyes while relating that whole thing to Sarah...I want that to come across in this one.


Then it is also a matter of casting the right actors for this, too. Michael Biehn [Kyle] is terribly underrated, despite excellent work in Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, Tombstone... you get the idea. Even the dream sequence in T2 [director's cut] is Biehn's, though Linda Hamilton was also excellent.

Do the rest of you have any idea of who is set to direct? It would be great if Cameron would come back, but if he doesn't, who do YOU think would be able to handle a Terminator movie?
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post #12 of 346
4/8/06 at 11:29pm
The IMDb has Jonathan Mostow as the director, though I don't know if that's confirmed or not. It seems to be, from doing a search on T4 news.
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post #13 of 346
4/9/06 at 12:32am
I can deal with that, Mostow did an admirable job on T3, although that doesn't bode well for my hoped R rating.

Personally, I would love to see John Mcteirnan take his shot at this franchise, get back to his pre-Medicine Man self when he would just rip your sack off with his films.
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post #14 of 346
4/9/06 at 1:21am
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I can deal with that, Mostow did an admirable job on T3, although that doesn't bode well for my hoped R rating.
Why? All of the previous movies were rated R. If Warner Brothers pusses out and does PG-13...

There should be absolutely no fucking doubt that all Terminator movies will be rated R, NC-17, XXX...just as long as it isn't PG-13, PG, or G. "Terminator X: World Peace Happy Time with the Connor Family!"
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post #15 of 346
4/9/06 at 11:57am
Whoops, brain fart. :b For some unknown reason I thought T3 was PG-13, I have no idea why I thought that.

It's all good, then, if Mostow directs.
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post #16 of 346
4/9/06 at 2:37pm
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Personally, I would love to see John Mcteirnan take his shot at this franchise.
Unfortunately, McTiernan will probably be too busy dealing with his legal troubles to direct any films in the near future:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,4594783.story
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post #17 of 346
4/9/06 at 3:32pm
I don't think Arnold is really needed for the film. To include him as merely a cameo or as a human would not be very satisfying anyway.

Unfortunately, I don't really expect much from the series at this point. There's no real vision left, and it's now down to the studio just looking to churn out a few more sequels.
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post #18 of 346
4/9/06 at 4:04pm
The only need for Arnold would be for him to be captured and sent back in time. If they even get that far part 4. Maybe part 5?

I wouldn't mind Jonathan Mostow's return as I really liked part 3. Arnold was more no-nonsense and robotic in part 3 than part 2, IMO. I also like how the movie just moved along with the action as the story has already been set by the previous films. It was a fun movie.

I do prefer the originals, of course, but I don't score part 3 very far behind at all.
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post #19 of 346
4/9/06 at 5:35pm
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There's no real vision left, and it's now down to the studios just looking to churn out a few more sequels.

I agree with part of that, I don't see the series going beyond 4 except to just make a quick buck, but as for the vision part of it, there is fertile ground for a great movie set in the midst of the actual war, a lot of untapped storylines and truck loads of great battle and action scenes.

There have been far worse series' of films than the Terminator films so far, all three have been sci-fi entertainment of the highest quality IMO.
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post #20 of 346
4/9/06 at 8:03pm
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there is fertile ground for a great movie set in the midst of the actual war

Oh, there's still plenty of ground left to cover, I was just implying that the people currently driving are not the ones to take us there. (I mean, the scribes of Catwoman and The Net?)

T3 was a fun film, but little else. It was essentially a retread of T2 (Arnold protects, more powerful terminator threatens). For example, if you have this great series that involves time travel, why set the film a mere decade later?
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post #21 of 346
4/9/06 at 8:07pm
Their only hope is to really throw out all the previous rules and tear it up. Go crazy with the time travel and completely reverse everything. Do SOMETHING different that will make us care about this movie!
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post #22 of 346
4/10/06 at 7:40am
Well I guess I am one of the few people that loved T3. I thought the whole flow of the movie was good and I felt like it told the story well. The end of the movie was fantastic and I can now wait for the next installment. I personally think they need at least 2 more movies to tell the story completely.
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post #23 of 346
4/10/06 at 8:12am
Two focus points, one the aftermath outside when the nuclear warheads are reaching there targets, the destruction of landmarks etc... Second, the creation and building of the resistance and the Terminators. Those two points alone is worth a movie.
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post #24 of 346
4/10/06 at 9:13am
Not that is means anything to T4 but Arnolds last line to John in T3 was

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"We will meet again"



Andy
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post #25 of 346
4/10/06 at 9:28am
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Go crazy with the time travel and completely reverse everything.

I agree completely. We already know what happened in the future because all three movies have told us.

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I don't need to 'see' Arnold's character from T3 hunt down and kill John in the future.
They already did that in the videogame version and it was lame anyway. As far as I'm concerned, his final line in T3 could be referring to T2. Or it could just remain offscreen.

They should turn the series on its head, not limit themselves to things that previous entries have already explained. If Arnold were to ever return, they should let him play his original, evil terminator from T1. Think up some clever way to bring him back in a time paradox, but have him age as if he has been around since 1984.
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post #26 of 346
4/10/06 at 9:31am
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As far as I'm concerned, his final line in T3 could be referring to T2.

That was not the same terminator as the terminator in T3.

I'm sure if they show the terminator killing John, they won't use the videogame version.
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post #27 of 346
4/10/06 at 10:18am
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If Arnold were to ever return, they should let him play his original, evil terminator from T1. Think up some clever way to bring him back in a time paradox, but have him age as if he has been around since 1984.

Heh, maybe they'll do that, AND have the T2/T3 T-800. It will be the ultimate Vs. movie: Arnold vs. Arnold.

Actually, now that I think of it, if this installment warranted any time-travel, that might not be too bad an idea.
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post #28 of 346
4/10/06 at 10:57am
Personally, I would love to see John Mcteirnan take his shot at this franchise.
UGH!! NO!! Personally, I think that McT hasn't done a good film since Die Hard (I just can't dig Red October for various reasons). I think Ridley Scott should do this one, he has that knack for grit this film would need.

Also, anyone think a cameo at the very end featuring Arnie as an unprogrammed terminator discovered by Connor or his wife, before it was sent back to '84, would be too outrageous to include? I don't. I think if Arnie filmed the scene for free he could get around the "conflict of interest" rule or whatever would prevent him from doing the scene while he's gov.
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post #29 of 346
4/10/06 at 11:39am
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UGH!! NO!!

A simple "no, I don't want him to direct it" would have sufficed.
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post #30 of 346
4/10/06 at 2:01pm
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That was not the same terminator as the terminator in T3.

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I know, but I'm willing to pretend it was if it helps avoid a generic Arnold vs. John encounter. I don't need to see it, because we were already told what happened in T3. (But technically, the one in T3 was based on the one in T2 as a way to get close to John.)


Personally, I think people want to have way too much spelled out for them these days. For example, look at the Clone Wars. They were much cooler as just a mysterious, throwaway line in the original Star Wars.
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