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ZORRO (1974) with Alain Delon

post #1 of 17
3/13/06 at 6:50pm
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I've seen this foreign Zorro film out in various budget DVD editions. Different running times are given.

Has anyone seen it?
Is there a definitive edition in the correct aspect ratio and at the proper length?
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post #2 of 17
3/13/06 at 10:22pm
I'm not familiar with any of the DVDs so I can't answer your question.

I did see the movie, however, during its US theatrical release in the summer of (I think) 1976. It was on a double bill with another G-rated picture that I cannot remember anything about. I was a child at the time, and although I haven't seen "Zorro" in the thirty years since, I still can't get that blasted theme song out of my head.

My memory of the movie is that it was fun, colorful and energetic. It was one of the last films that Stanley Baker made before his death from cancer.

Now that I think about it, I believe the film was projected at 1.85:1. Since it's a European film, it may have been shot at 1.66:1 though. Don't know the running time, but it carried a G rating from the MPAA, and may have been trimmed for violence.
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post #3 of 17
3/14/06 at 7:55am
Alain Delon made ZORRO for his young son, and I understand that it was quite unlike any of his other films (LE SAMOURAI, PURPLE NOON), but I'd love to see his other films out on dvd. Kino released three of his films (from something called "The Alain Delon Collection") last years and I e-mailed them last year asking them if they'd release any more (e.g., THE SICILLIAN CLAN, BORSOLINO) and their response wasn't too encouraging.
Delon was/is a fascinating guy, who was involved in a sex-drugs-political-gangster-murder scandal in 1968. There is remarkably little info about it even on the internet. I was reminded about it when I saw -- of all things -- "The Dick Cavett Show: Rock Icons" dvd (Disc 3, August 11, 1970). Delon's cologne ("Le SAmourai") is pretty good, but I'd love to see more of his stuff on dvd.
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post #4 of 17
5/1/07 at 11:59pm
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Re: ZORRO (1974) with Alain Delon

Bump after a year has passed.

Does anyone know the answer to my questions?
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post #5 of 17
5/2/07 at 8:34am

Re: ZORRO (1974) with Alain Delon

Last year, the uncut version was finally released by MGM in France (R2/PAL) but for some reason in full screen rather than the OAR.
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post #6 of 17
6/16/09 at 8:55am

Re: ZORRO (1974) with Alain Delon

Since I can't find proper specs from this movie, can you tell how many editions are out there and the difference between them? How's the AR? Any cuts? How's the image?

I was able to find a video on the internet with only Italian track and the lenght was 125 min. The image was pretty good, and was widescreen with AR similar to 1.85:1, as you can see from the image bellow:



(Don't mind the lack of colors, it's from the capture).

I was hoping to purchase the R1 edition but with the following conditions:

- OAR (no foolscreen, please!);
- No speedup;
- No cuts, which means the same 125 minutes above.
- IMDB says the movie tracks were both english and italian. Can someone explain that?

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The only review I was able to find until now:
Zorro (1974)

Some IMDB comments:

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The complete version of this film is finaly available. However it is only available in France and in region 2. Amazon.fr is currently selling it for 11 euro's. Bit tricky to order though. Especialy when I can't understand French.

Every cut scene is here and the sound and picture is the best I have ever seen it. Honestly couldn't beleive how good it looked. Film has English soundtrack (French can also be selected if wanted).

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just bought the french version on amazon france, its not in widescreen and its one of the edited versions its about 10 minutes shorter than the original italian version, but it does have an english language soundtrack, the image quality is so so, the italian complete version in widescreen is of excellent quality but in italian.
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post #7 of 17
6/18/09 at 5:10pm

Re: ZORRO (1974) with Alain Delon

What about The Black Tulip? Is was promoted as being 'In Cinerama' in the UK - The Black Tulip . 70mm Cinerama I know but, a widescreen version would be nice.
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post #8 of 17
6/18/09 at 7:56pm
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Re: ZORRO (1974) with Alain Delon

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Originally Posted by RolandL
What about The Black Tulip? Is was promoted as being 'In Cinerama' in the UK - The Black Tulip . 70mm Cinerama I know but, a widescreen version would be nice.
The only edition I know of is here

La tulipe noire (Collector): Amazon.fr: Alain Delon, Virna Lisi, Francis Blanche, Christian-Jaque: DVD

it says in CinemaScope, no indication of English subtitles.
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post #9 of 17
6/18/09 at 8:23pm
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Re: ZORRO (1974) with Alain Delon

This European version of Zorro might be a good film, an interesting film, but it's hard to tell from the butchered version released in the USA. It's one of those frustrating titles that doesn't seem to have a decent DVD release.

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Originally Posted by John Stuart
Since I can't find proper specs from this movie, can you tell how many editions are out there and the difference between them? How's the AR? Any cuts? How's the image?
I tried to survey all the available region 1 editions. I bought the Vina, the Platinum, the Digiview and the Front Row. They are all the shortened version although in some cases the cover art claims they are longer. They are all zoomboxed even though they are letterboxed. The Front Row has the stablest picture and the best sound, but that's not saying much.

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Originally Posted by John Stuart
I was hoping to purchase the R1 edition but with the following conditions:

- OAR (no foolscreen, please!);
- No speedup;
- No cuts, which means the same 125 minutes above.
- IMDB says the movie tracks were both english and italian. Can someone explain that?
Dubbed, probably.
From what I've seen, all region 1 editions are abysmal, with the Front Row edition being less abysmal than the others.

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Originally Posted by John Stuart
I was able to find a video on the internet with only Italian track and the length was 125 min. The image was pretty good, and was widescreen with AR similar to 1.85:1, as you can see from the image below:



(Don't mind the lack of colors, it's from the capture).
Sorry, is this a download or a region 2 DVD? from Italy? It looks pretty good compared to the pd editions in the USA. Would you provide a link, please?

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The complete version of this film is finaly available. However it is only available in France and in region 2. Amazon.fr is currently selling it for 11 euro's. Bit tricky to order though. Especialy when I can't understand French.

Every cut scene is here and the sound and picture is the best I have ever seen it. Honestly couldn't beleive how good it looked. Film has English soundtrack (French can also be selected if wanted).
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just bought the french version on amazon france, its not in widescreen and its one of the edited versions its about 10 minutes shorter than the original italian version, but it does have an english language soundtrack, the image quality is so so, the italian complete version in widescreen is of excellent quality but in italian.
I'm not sure, but I think the poster is referring to MGM's French edition:

ZORRO: Amazon.fr: Alain Delon, Stanley Baker, Ottavia Piccolo, Duccio Tessari: DVD

Amazon.france rarely indicates if a DVD is widescreen or if it has an English language / subtitle option, and sometimes when it does indicate such, the information is wrong. The only way to find out definitively is to spend your money. I'll probably take a risk and buy the DVD one of these days soon.
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post #10 of 17
6/19/09 at 9:09pm

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Originally Posted by Richard--W
Sorry, is this a download or a region 2 DVD? from Italy? It looks pretty good compared to the pd editions in the USA. Would you provide a link, please?
It was a download, taken from a torrent in the internet, after a search on the FF extension called "Torrent Finder Toolbar". The image quality was very good, even if it was a DVDRip. Frankly I don't see how they could release this movie removing 38 minutes! That's really a shame.

Judging from what I saw, my download was not plagued with a speed-up, according to this IMDB info:

124 min | Spain:120 min | USA:120 min | USA:87 min (DVD)

So it was really the "definitive" version from this movie. Too bad it was probably dubbed in italian. Can you confirm what languages were spoken in your release?

And about my AR question, the downloaded italian version is WS 1.85. It was not 1.66:1 or 4:3, I can confirm that.

I was wondering where that version was available. Another asian track was found in the file, as a second channel. Maybe it was released in R3, or Japan (R2)?

If it's not too much, can you fill those blanks? Just in case you have one of those editions.

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[Region] [Country] [Company. Ex = Warner]

Extras:
[Describe the name of the extra features, plus their lenght if possible]

Subtitles (from the movie/extras if applicable):
[Languages here]

Aspect Ratio:
[Write here]

Picture Format:
[Anamorphic or Non-Anamorphic?]

TV System:
[NTSC or PAL?]

Soundtrack(s):
[Write here. Examples bellow:]
English Dolby Digital 5.1
English Dolby Digital 2.0 Dual Mono
English Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo
English Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround

Or just DD 2.0 if you don't know.

Case type:
[Ex: Amaray (Keep Case)]

Runtime from the movie: [write here]

I hope I can find this movie here. I believe the last time I saw was at least 10 years ago in TV. It's a very good version if you ask me.

And minutes ago I searched for this movie on Amazon.co.JP.

It returned something interesting:

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Text translated by Google.

# Format: Color, Dolby, Letterboxed
# Italian language
# Subtitle: Japanese
# Region: Region 2 (This DVD is in other countries, may not play. For more information, please see the DVD version.)
# Screen Size: 1.78:1
# Number of discs: 1
# Vendor: King Records
# DVD Release Date: 1999/08/27
# Time: 124 minutes
# ASIN: B00005F5WI
Maybe it was only released there?
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post #11 of 17
3/17/11 at 10:08am

I have widescreen version, 125 min. copy of movie in avi format. Really good quality and matching Eng. subtitles. Unfortunatelly audio is in Italian.
I think that it could be a rip of Japanese DVD version of the movie. I believe, W/S version with 120+ min. running time was published only in Japan.
YESASIA is selling Japanese DVD of Zorro (3w.yesasia.com). Info on the page doesn't say much about format, running time... I'll try to get more specs over the e-mail.

 

 English繁體中文简体中文日本語한국어
 Product Title: ZORRO Digitally Remastered (Japan Version) 黑俠梭羅 Digitally Remastered (日本版) ZORRO Digitally Remastered (Japan Version) アラン・ドロンのゾロ （生産完了） ZORRO Digitally Remastered (Japan Version) 
 Artist Name(s): Alain Delon 阿倫狄龍 阿伦狄龙 アラン・ドロン | スタンリー・ベイカー | オッタヴィア・ピッコロ | ジャンカルロ・アルベルティーニ Alain Delon 
 Director: ドゥッチオ・テッサリ 
 Release Date: 2005-10-22
 Publisher Product Code: KKDS-259
 Country of Origin: Japan, France, Italy
 Disc Format(s): DVD 
 Region Code: 2 - Japan, Europe, South Africa, Greenland and the Middle East (including Egypt) What is it? 
 Publisher: Imagica Entertainment
 Shipment Unit: 1 What is it? 
 YesAsia Catalog No.: 1004060184
 

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post #12 of 17
12/12/11 at 7:43am
I have been trying for years to get an un-seided version of what I think is a great "Zorro" movie. I just do not understand what possesed them to cut it..Anyway, I see various indications that an unedited version is available from Amazon.com R2..If anyone has the details on how to order it I would appreciate it..When you get to the site, it is written in French or something, and I have no idea what is there, or what to order..Thanks everyone. Merry Christmas.

Dan
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post #13 of 17
12/12/11 at 8:23am
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Just buy it from amazonFrance using the one-click Buy It Now settings and it will arrive:

http://www.amazon.fr/Zorro-Alain-Delon/dp/B003LT2LGI/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1323705495&sr=1-1

Sign in to your American amazon page and then duplicate that when go to the French page. It will know you.

Evidently the uncut version is available in most European countries.

Spain and France made a number of Zorro movies in the 1950s and 1960s. So did Mexico. I think the first Mexican Zorro was in 1941, It would be fun to see them in region 1 / A.

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Martin Campbell's recent Zorro films, with their overblown budgets, bad history and politically corrected characters are the most obtuse and the least interesting Zorro films ever made. I wish he'd kept his hands off the franchise.
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post #14 of 17
12/12/11 at 10:31am
Running time of the French DVD is 118 minutes - does that take into account the PAL speed-up of a film transfered at 25fps rather than 24fps or is it edited?
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post #15 of 17
12/12/11 at 12:15pm
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Running time of the French DVD is 118 minutes - does that take into account the PAL speed-up of a film transfered at 25fps rather than 24fps or is it edited?

Just add 4% to the PAL time. So 118min. at PAL's 25fps equals about 123 minutes at 24fps.
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post #16 of 17
12/19/11 at 3:16am
klasika, mnogo dobar film, naistina e strahoten, shte e super da go gledame na DVD
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post #17 of 17
12/19/11 at 12:44pm

Petyr:

 

Any chance you know English?  Welcome to the forum! 

 

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