"Friday the 13th PART 11"!! Friday October 13th! - Page 2  

Too bad he didn't stick it out for Part 6 - the best of the sequels!

One of the Friday the 13th websites has the clip of Siskel and Ebert reviewing Friday 4 and its a riot. Ebert gets so fired up that you can practically feel his blood pumping.

I'm sorry, I should've posted the link in my above post. It's the Camp Blood site:

Camp Blood

Just click on the multimedia section followed by "other videos". You can also see Ebert destroy Jason X which isn't quite as funny.

Siskel and Ebert actually devoted an entire show to "violence against women" during the early 1980s. The funny thing was Ebert jumped all over 10 TO MIDNIGHT yet it's a film Siskel gave *** 1/2 stars to. The two really went at it over that one (and again with BLUE VELVET, which can be seen on the DVD).

I've got around ten, 8 hour tapes full of the show. One day I plan on putting these to DVD-R and when I do I'll make a special one with all the horror reviews from over the years.

^ That would be an excellent thing to see, Michael. I bet Ebert's rage against 10 to Midnight was along the same lines of his Final Chapter review since some of the aspects of the Bronson film seemed to be trying to amp the style of those popular slashers.

I wonder if they discussed the performing fellatio on a gun scene from "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls".

I sure hope that's the direction they go, instead of a remake or continuation of the recent films. I always felt there was a great "backstory" to be told, between the events of the first two films.

The creepiest moments of the entire series, for me, were the scenes in Part 2 when we get to see Jason's delapidated shack in the woods. First the cop, and then Ginny and Paul, discover the shack, with its rancid shitter and the "shrine" for Jason's mother's head, decorated with corpses. There's a scene where the cop is driving down a road in the woods, and pre-hockey mask Jason (wearing the gunny sack/pillow case mask) darts across the road (in daylight no less!) The cop gets out and pursues Jason into the woods and to his shack. I think it's the only time Jason is shown as the pursued, and not the pursuer. The look on the cop's face when he sees what's inside the shack is unnerving (we don't get to see it at this point)...then he is struck in the back of the head with a claw hammer. You know, Jason likes his address kept secret.

The end of Freddy vs Jason did show Jason at "home" again, which was a nice touch. After eleven films, you'd think they'd have given just a bit more attention to Jason's home life. Afterall, everybody has to live somewhere.

With the success of recent horror films like Wrong Turn, High Tension, Wolf Creek and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, I think the time may be right to take a look at Jason's beginnings. He did live in the woods for at least ten years before surfacing as the killer in Part 2, so there must be some interesting story they could tell. I'd love it to be as sick as possible, like Hostel-type sick. You know, the kind of horror movie that makes you want to take a shower when you get home from the theater...the kind that makes you go to confession because you actually enjoyed it...the kind that makes your friends never want to watch these movies at your house because you keep interrupting to still-frame the gory scenes...You get the picture.

I like that scene with Jason darting across the road as well; it's one of my favorites from the whole series.

A few years ago I took a stab (no pun intended) at writing my own treatment for what I would like to see in a prequel, all my freinds really liked it and said they would love it if they went this way, here it is...

Crystal Lake 1949: Pamela and Elias Voorhees live happily/newly married after meeting 5 years prior, they are poor but happy and live mostly isolated from the world. After a string of mysterious disappearances in the area the local police are baffled as to what is going on.

They soon suspect that a local cult (pick a name of your choice), harmless up to that point except to themselves, may be the one's responsable and one night they raid the grounds and interupt a sacrificial ritual to which a massecre ensues and every cop is slaughtered by the cultists.

The case is investigated, but the growing curse of Crystal lake casts a pawl over everything as it has in the past and no leads are followed up on and no one is apprehended for any crime.

One member of this cult is none other than Elias Voorhees who is horrified and filled with terrible regret and anguish over what they've done in the previous weeks, one of the reasons for his torment is that he has recently discovered that Pamela is pregnant with their first child! Realizing that this life is no longer for him, he confronts the high priest of the cult that he wants to be released and left alone to raise his child alone and in peace with Pamela.

The high priest, angered at such a betrayal, issues a terrible ultimatum to Elias, either remain with them or they will curse his unborn child with a terrible fate, even with this, Elias simply cannot stay as the pain in doing so would be too great to bare and so he severs ties with his former cult.

9 months pass and Pamela gives birth to their son, Jason Voorhees, but the pair are horrified to discover that he is terribly disfigured and suffers from severe brain damage! As Jason grows, the marriage between Elias and Pamela is falling apart, violent arguments begin and continue until the night of Jason's 3rd birthday when Pamela, driven mad by the knowledge of Elias' past and the pain of raising Jason, kills Elias with a fire place poker through the neck, spraying the toddler with blood!

Jason's first taste of blood is that of his fathers.

A bloody rampage ensues as a murderous Pamela, blaming the cult for what has befallen her family, hunts each member down and slaughters them in unspeakable ways!

Crytstal Lake 1957: Pamela and Jason, now 8 years old, live together in the same house she and her murdered husband occupied, having disposed of her husbands body he was classified as missing and the case went quiet after awhile. She does all she can to raise Jason as a normal boy, even if he is laughed at and tormented by the local children, she even enroles him in summer camp, much to the towns dismay as the pair have become the butt of many cruel pranks and even whispers from the locals that she murdered her husband, her hope is that he will make friends.

Friday the 13th 1957: A cruel prank on Jason by the other boys sends the deformed boy running from his cabin and he quickly finds himself at the edge of the pier where he is teased and laughed at until he falls back into the lake, never learning how to swim, he begins to drown and his moans for help go unanswered and the other kids stand by and watch the horror of Jason's drowning.

But what Pamela, or Elias for that matter, didn't realize was that the terrible curse that was put on Jason many years ago was further reaching than just his appearance and mental capacity, they cursed him with the fate to live eternal, a freak of God and nature forced to walk the Earth without the release that death could bring!

The end.

That's pretty much it, the first film picks up from that point on, I think that if this story is made into feature length that it could be very effective and also has the potential for some great performances as well. I purposfully left out the idea that he had a sister from Jason Goes to Hell as I always hated that they tried that, it just never worked for me at all.

It isn't perfect I admit, it can be tweaked here and there, but overall what do you guys think of it?

John,
I like it. I, too, had come up with my own backstory idea years ago. I never actually scripted it, but I can remember some of it. Jason is not actually retarded, just horribly disfigured and not too social, since most of his human interaction has been with his maniacal mother and departed alcoholic/abusive father.

Basically, the Jason drowning bit is similar to your idea, in that the kids push him off the dock and laugh at him as he appears to drown. A camp counselor yells at them from shore, and the bullies all race back from the lake, leaving Jason underwater. Jason slowly surfaces underneath the dock. He decides never to return to the cruel world he has endured his whole life. He finds solace in the woods, living off the garbage and roadkill at his disposal. Although his body is never found, his mother assumes him dead and plots her revenge.

Like your story, several unexplained disappearances and murders have occured after Jason's "drowning". We discover (in Part I) that Pamela Voorhees has been committing these murders alone...or has she?

Very cool!

The reason I came up with the cult idea, BTW, was really out of sheer anger that they used that pathetic worm creature to explain why Jason was immortal in Jason Goes to Hell.

I felt that they could have grounded that aspect in a much more logical, realistic and not to mention dramatic manner. It was very lazy writing IMO, they could have done better than what we ended up with if they tried.

In Part 1, Mrs. Voorhees says "You let my son drown! You weren't paying any attention!" That implies that Jason actually did die. If so, wasn't there a body for the funeral? Flash forward to Part 2, and Jason, now an adult, is alive and well (as can be), taking revenge for his mother's death. Were we to assume that he was actually alive this whole time, living in the woods as my backstory suggests, or that he was somehow resurrected from the dead? The producers never even hint as to what the circumstances were.

Jump ahead to Part 6: Jason is shown (for the first time) being "resurrected" by a lightning strike to his grave. When you look back, he had to be somewhat immortal after surviving, with no medical attention, the following injuries, certainly fatal to most:

1. Drowning
2. Machete through the clavicle
3. Axe in the forehead
4. Machete bisected head
5. (the real Jason doesn't appear)
6. Drowned/boat propellor to neck
7. Drowned
8. Toxic waste/returns to child state?
9. Pulled into hell by Freddy Krueger
10. Ejected into deep space
11. Survives battle with Freddy, but loses fingers

That's why I like the idea of returning to an "origin" concept. They could basically ignore the events of the later films, like they did with Halloween. I did like how, in Jason X, they figured his immortality into the plot. At the beginning when he was chained by the military, it was said they wanted to study him to see why he can't be killed.

An inconsistency in Freddy vs Jason that bugs me: During one of their fights, Freddy discovers Jason's fear of water (no doubt due to how many times he's drowned!). Yet, at the end of the film, we see Jason walking under water to get to his island hideout.

There was one mention of his survival in the beginning of part 2 when they were relating his story around the fire and how Jason indeed witnessed his mothers death and lived off of the land like a wild animal for years.

I always knew without question that Jason was immortal to an extent, Tommy effectively did kill him in part IV, as you stated no one could sustain those injuries and live without some sort of supernatural element being involved.

In my version, I tried to form a basis for that element, how did Jason become this monster and why can't he be killed? Michael Myers can't die because he IS evil icarnate, but I don't really see that dynamic working with Jason, so I tend to think that Jason is an aboration, a unique freak that has had something place upon him, hence my curse idea.

Are we thinking too much about this or what?

I remember that, but it was told as though it was an urban legend. If he drowned, there surely would have been a body found at some point. Afterall, it was a rather small lake. So a cult/supernatural backstory could certainly work. Maybe his never-mentioned father could have performed an awakening of some sort, without his mother's knowledge. It'd be a new twist to actually introduce Jason's father, after all these years.
Absolutely. Just a couple of dorks talking about stupid F13 films. Not like we have anything better we could be doing...

I don't think Jason ever died as a child. This was something his mom believed, but he was obviously very much alive in Part 2 - and I don't mean just a a zombie or a ghost.

I also never got the impression (from the original) that Jason was bullied and thrown into the water by other kids. This is featured in FREDDY VS JASON, but I think the whole "you never paid any attention" that Mrs. Voorhees scolds in Part 1 just meant that the boy drowned by himself as an accident, not that anyone "murdered" him by throwing him off the dock. I think it worked better that way.

Ewwww.....

Michael Bay's company is set to produce this outing. Seeing as how I detested The Amityville Horror Remake and didnt care for the Texas Chainsaw Remake, I can't say this news thrills me in the least.

Bad movie number 11 here we come...

It also seems they are fast tracking the project just to cash in. Any ounce of excitement I had over this is now completely gone. After the disappointments over the last 20 years, I don't even know why I still bother at all.

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New 'Friday the 13th' Officially Announced!!!
Get more on Friday The 13th | Posted 02.14.06 @ 12:10 am ]

Could we finally see a serious, well-made Friday the 13th? Here it is guys, the news we've been promising and teasing for weeks now, the official press release regarding the 11th "official" Friday the 13th film (not counting Freddy vs Jason)!! B-D fav Platinum Dunes (Amityville Horror, Texas Chainsaw Massacre) will be producing the pic, with Mark Wheaton penning the script. The only plot details that are official is that the film will be centered on the origins Jason Voorhees. Inside you'll find the official press release...




Variety reports:

Michael Bay's Platinum Dunes shingle is coming aboard to produce the 11th outing in the sturdy "Friday the 13th" franchise for New Line.

Studio's hoping to fast-track the project -- centered on the origins of the Jason Voorhees character -- so that the pic can be released three weeks before Halloween on Friday, Oct. 13. Bay will produce with Platinum Dunes partners Brad Fuller and Andrew Form.

New Line's hired Mark Wheaton ("Son of the Morning Star") to pen the script. Studio prexy Toby Emmerich is overseeing along with execs Cale Boyter and Jeff Katz.

The original "Friday the 13th" -- set at a reopened camp that had closed 20 years earlier -- took nearly $40 million in domestic grosses in 1980. That's still the best domestic performance in the series, although New Line's spinoff pic "Freddy Vs. Jason" was a solid success in 2003, with $82 million domestic.

Platinum Dunes, which Bay launched in 2001 as a low-budget horror specialist, produced New Line's 2003 remake of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and its upcoming "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning."

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/ind...plate=newsfull

sweet! they must go to 13!

These are horror movies, they aren't suppose to have any logic behind them.

I'd much rather have a remake than a prequel. I seriously doubt a prequel would get the greenlight because that would be mainly for F13 fans. I'm sure New Line wants to bigger bucks like what FREDDY VS JASON brought in.

That's very unfortunate to hear.

Yes, why would anyone want a rehash of what we already have when something totally original and interesting could be done?

Joe,
in my storyline I have the kids teasing Jason until he falls back into the water by himself, I also never thought that he was thrown in.

And yes, Jason was very much alive in part 2, he hadn't sustained any sort of injury at that time until the end when Amy steel cleaved his shoulder with the machete, it was at that point when he became...something else.

Give me a break. F13 wasn't anything but a rip off to start with so it's not like we're dealing with an important film by any meaning of the word.



You honestly think New Line is going to try and make a good movie out of this thing? If so, they wouldn't be rushing the thing into production just to get it released on Friday the 13th. This is just going to be another slasher movie and probably one we've seen countless times already.

If they wanted to try something totally original and interesting they could come up with a brand new series and not make a remake or a 12th film in a series.

Well, we already know where he got the hockey mask, from one of my favorite victims, Larry Zerner as the great and pathetic 'Shelly'.

I love that dude.

Though it wouldn't seem that logical, you have to consider how long New Line held out for many years and through many scripts to get the right one for FREDDY VS. JASON. So I think they might care more than you'd think.

Where's your vision and imagination, Michael? Just because Friday the 13th wasn't a significant film doesn't mean that someone shouldn't try to use their imagination to give us something compelling.

I'm no fool, I know that all we'll end up with is something routine, but them using the old "were going in this direction to make more money" doesn't make it right.

Instead of trying, they are taking the lazy way out...again. Let a fan make this film, it'll be so kick ass it's not even funny!

Exactly my point Joe. This film is to be released less than nine months from now and filming hasn't even started. Heck, there doesn't even seem to be a script yet since it's still not clear if we're getting a remake or a prequel.

That small time would work if they're getting Spielberg to direct since he got out two films in that range.

The problem is that your ideas posted above are smarter than ANYTHING in ANY slasher movie from the 80s. You've put more thought into the subject than any of those writers who were simply out to make some cash. The studio will take their cash ideas over your smart ideas because of the genre, which is a shame but us horror fans are use to this way of thinking since HALLOWEEN was released.

Craven got two smart horror films out but the rest seem to be money driven cash products.