"Friday the 13th PART 11"!! Friday October 13th! - Page 5  

The Jason Vs. Rambo thing sounds like it could actually be a pretty good movie and a legitimate "vs." movie.

Sure it's a little silly, but couldn't be anywhere near as silly as Rambo III.

After an evening marathon of Golden Girls episodes, I just couldn't resist one more suggestion:

FRIDAY THE 13TH XI: THE GOLDEN GHOULS -- Chainsaws and machetes are traded-in for wheelchairs and walkers when three aging mass murderers, Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger and Leatherface, become roommates in a south Florida retirement community. They now spend most of their time reminiscing about their "gory days". There are, of course, occasional personality conflicts as they adjust to their new living arrangement. Things really heat up when Jason's sharp-tongued mother moves in with them. But no matter how nasty their fights may be, you can always count on them to "make-up" with a group hug and a late-night serving of coffee and roadkill at the kitchen table.

I would pay to see that.

I can honestly see a F13th movie taking that SURVIVOR concept. Think about it. You get 13 people being "filmed" for the night at Camp Crystal Lake and just have tons of cameras on them. Think something like Halloween: Resurrection... only less "total crap" and more "good."

Esten is right, and IMHO... they should have touched up the one they went with. FVJ was far from amazing.

This is a F13th movie for new fans. It takes everything that symolizes the movies and throws them together. I guarantee it'll just be Jason killing in the woods. With a hip teen cast (except not on the poster), lots of tits and gore, and a reference to his origins (along with some painful backstory to make us "feel" for him...), and Jason using a chainsaw (which hasn't ever actually happened in any of the movies). It's made for people who never saw a F13th movie but know the bare essentials.

I thought of that after I posted the suggestion. A sure bet for success would be to have Busta Rhymes reprise his character from H:R. That had to be the worst character in that franchise's history.

Although, he did fire up a gas-powered tree trimmer to gut a victim in Part VII. It's sort of like a "chainsaw-on-a-stick." Does that count?

Yes, Freddy vs. Jason's eventual script was WAY better than some of that other stuff that may or may not still be floating around the web. People complain that it didn't really feel epic, but rather a more polished slasher that we'd seen before. I was grateful for this, actually, because all those other scripts tried way too hard to find a reason to connect the two characters. Like having them be Satanic pawns, or each character having their respective cults who raise them from the dead to duke it out.

I remember reading an interview with the writers of FVJ, and they basically took the ending of JGTH at face value and asked themselves why Freddy would want Jason. I think that was a pretty smart move because we got a movie that felt like a good combination of a Friday and Nightmare movie. It was nothing revolutionary, but it didn't really have to be, in my opinion.

See, I felt it tried too hard to appeal to those who weren't fans. Some of it was just too ridiculous to enjoy. I loved the original films... but some of it was just hard to watch. The acting was bad even for a Friday the 13th film... Kelly Rowland was the only good actress in the entire film (big big surprise), Jason Ritter was a joke, and Monica Keena couldn't play a heroin you gave a damn about to save her life (she can play bitch amazingly well though, as her performance on Dawson's Creek proved). I agree that the script could have been much worse, but what upset me so much was that what needed the changing was just so minor that it could have been fixed with a simple re-write. Things like some of the dialogue, etc.

"I'm all right! I'm okay!"

The heavy metal music also had me cringing. Again, not the worst movie ever and certainly not as bad as it could have been... but lacking at the fundamental levels. I thought it was VERY epic, especially the fight scenes. I just wish they'd spent more time on the rest of it.

I was thrilled with FVJ. New Line took a long time to make sure the script was done right, and Ronny Yu managed successfully to weave both series successfully into one. It's better than I ever expected it could possibly be.

As an original fan of the Friday/Elm Street franchises early on (I stopped caring mid way though), I thought Freddy vs Jason was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

It was truly terrible as far as I was concerned. Instead of taking the best ideas from both, they took the worst concepts of both and made a movie. Seeing as how much it made and how well it was liked, I guess a cheesy parody is what people wanted. If only Ryan Reynolds could have headlined the piece.

The movie did look nice, I will give it that. But, that's it for me.

I know the Friday series was never known for acting chops, but Monica Keena took it to a new low. Just an all out terrible performance that rivals the worst voice overs on He Man: Masters of the Universe. I was surprised Orco didn't stop by for a surprise cameo to help Jason defeat the evil Freddy. He might as well have. Go for full parody if you must. I might have laughed my ass off and it all would have been worth while.

Freddy's Dream World was severly lacking for a big budgeted movie as was his imagination for death and playing around in insane dream sequences. The adults in this movie were just all out horrible as well. Characters like Dr. Cruz (even though I didnt like the movie), and Lt. Thompson were nowhere near as bad as some of the adults in this movie were when it came to being realistic as a normal human being.

The original script I did like. It's the movie that should have been made, but that was not made. The writers would agree with this. The script was chopped, chopped, and then chopped again. Every single bit of substance it did have was virtually destroyed to appeal to the fast moving ADD crowd.

I knew well in advance the movie was dead for me when Ronny Yu was hired as director and kept speaking of the WWF. Over and over again. It's all the man made references to.

It was a little above average in general (the script I mean. I would have given it a B-/B), but it would have made for a far more interesting movie IMO.

The backstory was explained in detail. Is Jason in Hell, Limbo?, What has Freddy been doing and why is Freddy here?, How did Freddy come in contact with Jason?, Why Jason? How does Freddy even know about Jason? etc. Much of this was explained. Freddy never died after Freddy's Dead. He just shot back to the Dream World and went along on his merry way for years doing what he does. At least until the town started to replenish and drugging everyone up. We hear none of this. Only bits and pieces. Script wise, the movie directly connects to both Freddy's Dead and Jason goes to Hell.

If you only saw the movie and had no idea of anything else (past sequels, internet), you wouldn't even know where Jason and Freddy were or how they even got there.

The movie is severly lacking in any form of character development whatsoever even though the original script did take time to build up a backstory and it's characters (including the villains). But, with these characters I didn't really care. They were so painful to put up with.

The characters were severly changed. The character of Lori was an intelligent, Nancy-esque character in the original script. Nothing like in the actual movie. Not one iota. Will was a resourceful likable guy who had charisma. Once again, not the character in the movie.

They were virtually homage characters written towards Heather L. & Johnny Depp's characters.

The entire car accident scene where Jason is hit on the road by is missing in full. It was a good scene and is a shame it's missing.

Freddy getting sucked out into the real world and having no dream world power whatsoever was written in the script. It connects with Wes Craven's vision of Freddy. There was no Freddy karate. He had to use his head and other resources to take care of Jason.

The tone was vastly different. A hybrid of Elm Street 1 & 3 with the brutality violence and kills of Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter. That is not the movie that I saw.

The goofy kills that happen in the movie didn't happen in this way. They were written with the intention on being realistic.

IMO, I saw Elm Street 4 meets The Garbage Pail Kids meets Toxic Avenger Comic Book Jason from the ed of the series. The one who slices off a head in comic book fashion while a guiser from Riley's Trick Shop malfunctions on an obvious fake corpse.

I guess why I hated it so much is I developed expectations off the original script and original ideas. Much of which never even made it to the screen. But, thats all in the past. The movie is years old already and I already had those discussions years ago.

Just because it's a Freddy or Jason movie doesn't automatically mean it has to be shallow, lifeless, and devoid of any substance. It's just what people became used to. A quick fix devoid of anything interesting. I mean if that mentality continues to be used, you may never see a quality horror film again. No more creators with a true love of the genre. No more Dracula, Thing, Alien, Halloween, whatever it may be.

Look forward to more of When A Stranger Call's Remakes.

OK Ryan, but how do you really feel about the movie?

Matt,

Lump up Jason X, Jason Goes to Hell, and Halloween Ressurection in a blender. Add a scoop of Cousin Oliver, a heaping helping of Corky, and a pinch of Pippi Longstocking and you have your answer.

Anyways, time for less of my nonsensical chatter and time for some real news.

It must be April Fool's Day because the joke is on me. Well, Johnny Butane doesn't seem overly thrilled himself. I still have faith... Well, I think...

I know I go on about these subjects, but cut me some slack. The Amityville Remake meets Darkness Falls is enough to make anyone go over the edge. I promise I will be fair and give it a chance. I will hopefulyl be surprised and say you guys were right. I hope I do. But, the pairing of two of my worst nightmares. I just need some time, some excedrin, and a few margaritas to absorb this information. I'll be better in the morning and more open.

It's like when you find out your dog and grandpa both got hit by cars on the same night. Takes a couple hours to get over it.

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News: Next Friday Director... (Movie) Friday the 13th

So what do you do when you've delivered one of the most disappointing original horror films in recent memory? Well, if you’re Jonathan Liebesman, director of Darkness Falls, first thing you do is jump onboard Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning (the upcoming prequel), which is impressive in it's own right but how do you follow that up?

How’s about with a new Friday the 13th film?

We’ve heard rumblings that Liebsman is in final negotiations to take the reigns for the next Jason Voorhees adventure (hey, that could be a fun Cartoon Network spin-off show...). Obviously "rumblings" don’t mean "officially on board", but my guess would be that confirmation could be along any day now. Keep your eyes here!

http://www.horrorchannel.com/index.p...ticle&sid=4377

I had forgotten about how much the script was parred down, or at least, that's what I've heard. For some reason, I never got around to reading it personally, so I'd like to see the original draft. Is there anywhere I can still read it online?

I'm not saying that FVJ was the greatest movie ever made, and it certainly had its flaws; all I'm saying is that what we got was a lot better than some of the really crazy stuff out there. I'd say my biggest problem with it was that it was more of an action movie than a horror movie. It was still fun though.

Thank you Ryan for summing up completely what I didn't like about FVJ.

There were even little tiny parts of the script that had little connections to the earlier parts of the series... but unfortunately those lines were cut out... and we're left with mostly crap.

I completely agree, the IDEA behind the film was the best one they could have went with... but it was ridiculously done. It was definitely camp...

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Why would there be "Rights issues"? Didn't New Line buy the rights to produce new films from Paramount?

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There shouldn't be any rights issue, Paramount does not own the title "Friday the 13th". If you look on your Paramount DVDs for the movies they say something like "Friday the 13th is a New Line Productions registered trademark."

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Could be that Cunningham isn't allowing Platinum Dunes to remake something of his. Pure speculation on my part, but I'm pretty sure Cunningham would have to OK anything that has to do with Jason. I don't see why he wouldn't just try to get an executive producer credit on this and just profit that way, but who knows, maybe he actually cares about what happens to the character.

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I believe Paramount DOES own the rights to the title as well as certain characters (Tommy Jarvis sp?) and that's why New Line hasn't used the "F13" title in the past. I could be wrong though but I believe someone from New Line told this to a magazine but I can't remember which one.

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That is prolly it, Jason Goes to Hell, Jason X, Freddy vs Jason.

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No, they DON'T own the title, New Line does and they've simply chosen not to use it. This is EXACTLY what it says on the bottom of the 2004 F13 box set from Paramount:


As far as I know, New Line owns EVERYTHING except the films themselves. New Line is the only company credited on non-video F13 merchandise regardless of what film it comes from.

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Well, the director (or producer) of one of the film's said that Tommy's character couldn't be used because Paramount owned it.....

He could have lied of course but who knows.

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I remember reading in an interview with Jim Issaic, the director of Jason X, that New Line didn't own the Friday the 13th title, might of said something about Tommy too, I don't remember.

But then, Sean Cunningham was interviewed, and they asked him about what Jim said, to which he replied something to the effect of "He dosen't know what he's fucking talking about."

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New Line most definately owns the Friday the 13th title. This has come up a lot of times. As others have said, check any trademarks on any Friday merchandise. Even Paramount's own box set says this. Paramount owns parts 1-8 and any distribution rights to those movies, as well as any footage of said movies. As for characters, I'm pretty sure that New Line can't use any of those found in the Paramount movies, but that I'm not sure of.

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This could of been interesting, but I'm more interested in the "Nightmare On Elm Street" prequel rumor.

[quote]Could be that Cunningham isn't allowing Platinum Dunes to remake something of his. Pure speculation on my part, but I'm pretty sure Cunningham would have to OK anything that has to do with Jason. I don't see why he wouldn't just try to get an executive producer credit on this and just profit that way, but who knows, maybe he actually cares about what happens to the character.[quote]

I can see Cunningham giving a shit about Jason, other than getting paid. How else do you explain the movies that have been made?

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I think Jason's walk out onto the dock and subsequent kill in Part 3(-D) was one of the better moments of that movie, but whatever. Anyways, the more I think about it, the less this whole things sounds like a terrible idea. May even go as far to say I'm looking forward to it. Sounds like a good ol' fashion killer in the woods flick with some connections to the continuity of the first few movies thrown in for good measure. Though even most of the Friday sequels weren't as good as some of the earlier Friday imitators; Madman, Just Before Dawn, The Burning.

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Having not seen the movie, I may be 100% wrong but seeing Jason put the mask on seems pointless (and certainly not worth mentioning when they're promoting the movie). It's not like this movie is going to have a deep study of Jason's psychological problems. They'll just show a flashback/memory of him being called ugly by some kids and then putting the mask on. It's Friday The 13th, I don't want deep- I want a guy in a hockey mask killing people.