Alien vs. Predator 2 in the works - Page 4

And some people just don't understand.

It's very obvious where the well-deserved hatred is coming from. This was THE Holy Grail of 'versus' movies and Paul W(ithout) S(kill) Anderson really just ruined it. People were beyond disappointed; they were and are justifiably angry. You can tell them to get a life if you want to, but some people are passionate about movies. I am. I so wanted a good Alien and Predator movie. AvP was not anywhere close.

I mean with all of the material out there, why did he choose to write his own? His script is nothing more than one endless string of cliches and uninspired, boring action sequences. There was plenty of good material out there to go with.

And don't you think this movie should have been above being "average" and "mildly entertaining"? Alien 1 and 2 and Predator were certainly better than that.

I don't know much about AvP 2, but hopefully they'll avoid using anyone from the first one -- especially Anderson -- and get a whole new creative force. Why Fox went with someone like Anderson in the first place is baffling. The guy has a terrible resume and shows he can't adapt material for s***.

Let's simply adapt one of the existing stories or commission a true writer; preferably one who has worked on an Alien and/or Predator title.

They should also avoid calling it AvP 2, although I doubt the marketing guys can resist whipping up something 'clever' for the acronym. They should just use a subtitle instead of a numeral to seperate it as best as can from the first one, as if the first one doesn't even exist.

I like how Tom Rothman automatically assumes the second one will "kick ass" although not only hasn't he read the script, he seemed unsure of it's status. Between this and the X3 fiasco, looks like they have some real geniuses at Fox.

Well, I think that's my definitive post.

Given that it did $80 million alone at the box office in just the US, and $171 Million world wide (according to IMDB) plus numerous DVD releases for purchase and the huge rental market, I would say an enormous amount of people.

Which is probably why they are starting to have discussions about a second one.


Andy

I feel your pain, Kain, there have been many films that I had high expectations for that came up short, so I know what that's like.

I enjoyed this film, but I can easily see how those with high expectations felt really let down because I do agree that it wasn't as great as it could have been.

The only comfort I can offer is that given the first one's negative press and reception from fans on discussion boards such as this one, it should get those at FOX rethinking things and give them incentive to go in another direction for the sequel and take this opprotunity to right what they got wrong the first time.

I hear Uwe Boll is available.

EDIT: Damn, just saw Andres beat me to the punchline on the last page.

Who the hell is Uwe Boll? I've seen him mentioned a few times in this thread and I don't even know who he is or what he's done.

Clicked in to see if there was any news of value, and I see an epic struggle over the first film.

Speaking as someone who:

- cites Aliens as one of his top three favorite films
- someone who finds something of value in Alien3 and Alien Resurrection (though limited)
- and Predator 2
- bought the original Aliens, Predator, and Aliens vs. Predator comic series (Norwood art!) from Dark Horse
- is a definite fanboy...

I never even saw this film. Never had strong feelings one way or the other. I imagine I'd find it pretty miserable, because nothing I enjoy in either series is present in AvP, but I appreciate that some people like it as dumb fun. It's hardly the cinematic abomination Batman and Robin is, and I say that securely without seeing it. If Fox wants to dump money in a sequel, I expect they'll use the formula of the first AvP. I'll skip it as well. Hardly worth getting worked up over.

Bring on the sequel for the fans of the first. Heck, add some REAL talent and make a worthwhile film, and I'll go.

Either way, who cares?

John, consider yourself lucky. Google him, and stand by.

John, Uwe Boll is Ed Wood re-incarnated.

He's taken some very good video games and made some pretty bad movies based on them. And the amazing thing is, studios keep financing his projects, lol.

If you want a good laugh, rent HOUSE OF THE DEAD. If you want to be disappointed, rent ALONE IN THE DARK. I haven't seen BLOODRAYNE yet but judging by the trailers...well...I might end up renting it anyway if only to play a drinking game with it.

Give it a rent Chuck. You may be pleasantly surprised.

Plus a certain Kingly director gave his Titanic stamp of approval so you never know.....

Now that I have Netflix, I just might But I have a lot to get through, you understand

Make sure to let us know what you think after you have seen it.

Ahh, yeah, i've seen House of the Dead but it was a couple of years ago, best thing about that piece of shit was that really hot busty brunette girl.

John, I can see you're an admirer of his work already.

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Hey... two special effects guys are directing the movie! Sounds great! *sarcasm*

http://www.alienexperience.com/

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The only thing I can say to that bit of news is. ----->




Wait, I meant this ----->

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You know, Ridley Scott was once only a "commercial-directing guy" and James Cameron was once only a "special effects guy".

Before you start bashing on the Brothers Strause go to brothersstrause.com and watch their work. Their handful of music videos and commercials are significantly more impressive than Paul WS Anderson's entire filmography.

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I liked Event Horizon....

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Scott had "The Duellists" and Cameron had "The Terminator" before they took on their respective Alien entries.


I'll do that. But judging by the script review, it seems the only thing going for this film will be its special effects.

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i was going to post a reply, but then i saw that chuck had already summed-up my thoughts pretty much to the letter...

i just don't know why they wouldn't adapt the original aliens vs. predator comic for the screen...

oh, well. whatever.

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Yeah, but what did they have pre-"Duellists" and "Terminator"? Well, Cameron had "Pirahna 2" but you get my point, something has to be their first movie, and let's be honest here, it's not as if the weight of upholding some gold standard of quality has fallen on their shoulders. They're following a despised film so if they make another crappy one it won't really harm the franchise any more than it already is and if they make a good one then it's good for everyone.


I doubt that Salerno "Alien vs. Predator vs. K-Mart" script will ever be made. As soon as Moriarty at Ain't It Cool News posted his review Fox went into damage-control mode. Their assault on the script varied from assuring people that it had been shelved and that the current script was completely different to basically trying to convince everyone that it never existed in the first place.

That script review is still available if you look hard enough, there's at least one link to it on the first page if you look for +"Alien vs. Predator" +Moriarty on Google. Aside from Fox and the website CHUD, nobody was denying it's authenticity, and there's an undeniable conflict of interest in regards to CHUD, the webmasters are producing the bomb-in-the-making "Meg" which happens to be written by, you guessed it, Shane Salerno.

The only people who wanted try to convince everyone that it wasn't legit were the people that look foolish in light of it's legitimacy (Fox, Chud and Salerno) but the fact of the matter is that everyone involved did end up looking foolish and Fox seems eager to put the entire debacle behind them.

In any case, if you go to brothersstrause.com and watch their videos you'll see how completely at odds their visual style is with the tone of the Salerno script. Their work has a definite other-worldly style that makes me think that Fox hired them to do something more visual involving another planet or a spaceship at least as opposed to Texas.

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Why the frack don't Cameron and Scott make a really good Alien 3 (a re-vamp to wipe the taste of Alien3 and Alien Resurrection out of our mouths) as they were planning on doing (Cameron writing and Scott directing supposedly) and get it OVER WITH before Sigourney Weaver is 70 and Scott is dead!

Spend money on that Fox and not this sequel to an already big pile of bug puke.

Dan

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Do we really need to tread this ground again?

Not everyone "despised" the film. I and many others found it very entertaining.

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You're the one bringing it up again. It's a fact: "AvP" was the most despised film of either series. Every single collection of opinions supports this, whether it's the IMDB user ratings or the Tomatometer. I've never denied that there are people that liked it, as I already pointed out in this very thread, something exposed to millions of people is bound to satisfy a certain amount of them. You can bring up any cinematic debacle that comes to mind and I'll find a positive review or comment about it.

You like the film and you're not the only one but however many people enjoyed "AvP" have to understand that they are in the minority.

I said it before and I'll stand by it again: "AvP" is the most hated sequel/prequel of all time, even moreso than "The Phantom Menace" or "Batman & Robin". A lot of people have come to appreciate "TPM" and when people do complain about "B&R" it's more of a lighthearted mocking but the "AvP" hatred evokes a much more passionately bitter response than any cinematic followup than I can think of.

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How about one for Catwoman?

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Rottentomatoes.com has 5 positive reviews for "Catwoman" on the first page alone.

It has a lower score than "AvP" but like "Batman & Robin", it's crappiness doesn't really evoke anger in anyone, it's more of a laughing matter.

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That would definitely be a relief. But judging from what Tom Rothman supposedly said in this Empire article, it looks like they will still will be going with that terrible storyline.

"Shane Salerno, who was partly responsible for AVP’s script, has been hard at work on a sequel screenplay, that, according to Fox’s Tom Rothman, will see the alien nuisances finally turn up on our door-step and not just in some frozen Antarctic temple."

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18947

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Prove it.

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I don't hate it. I was disappointed, but it's not a movie I'll never watch again. There was no excuse for this one not to be an R, IMO.

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That's an opinion/observation that can't really be proven without mounting some sort of mass census but like I said, it evokes a kind of hostility that's unusual even by internet fanboy standards.

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Looks like the sequel has been moved from August to December 21st! Can anybody tell me the logic of a CHRISTMAS release for this movie?