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it is official. the movie will be released on 12/25/2007 with a rating of Restricted.....

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avp2/

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I'm actually looking forward to this one. Seems like it's going to be fun.

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I've been hearing that there will be no critics screenings for "Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem".

You know what that means, it's essentially the kiss of death, it's always a desperate move on the part of studios to keep a lid on the bad reviews for the first few days of a film's release at least. Speaking of desperate, this is a studio that tacked the word "Requiem" onto the title for no other reason than to have a big red "R" in the film's logo to really hammer that R rating home after everyone complained about the previous film's PG-13 rating.

I honestly think the Brothers Strause are a lot better directors than Paul WS Anderson. Having only seen their videos, commercials and short films on their website they already blow him away. They actually have talent whereas Anderson lacks basic competence.

However, of the three big flaws in the previous film (bad director, PG-13 rating and bad writer) the one that has not been rectified in this film is arguably the worst. We're talking about a Shane Salerno script here, which means this production was essentially doomed from the start. I can't even imagine a great director making this movie work with a Salerno-penned script set in Colorado. Some of the more undeniably awful things that came to light when Moriarty wrote that infamous script review for Ain't It Cool News (Google "Final calculation, taking all the decent work into consideration, it’s catastrophic." if you wanna read the whole thing) were dropped in subsequent drafts (like the K-Mart fight) but the bulk of it has made it all the way through to the final film and that's not a horrifying example of the current state of Hollywood I don't know what is.

I'm sure this movie will be better than the last one but that's not saying much and I'm sure it will still be disappointing. The last one satisfied the basic curiosity of seeing an "AvP" movie while simultaneously leaving a bad taste in the mouths of moviegoers and I can't even see this movie living up to the disappointing box-office performance of its predecessor, even if it is slightly superior.

I'd actually like to see this movie spawn another sequel because it seems like they're learning from their mistakes, although they're definitely doing it the hard way. Perhaps next time they'll say "ok, last time we hired better directors and gave it an R rating, THIS TIME we promise we're not gonna hire the guy that wrote 'Armageddon' and we aren't gonna set it on present-day Earth."

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FWIW, I do believe that the first AvP did not have an advance screening either.

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I do think that it's sad that they had to put the letter R into the title, in fact the teaser I saw didn't even call the film AvP Requiem they called it AvP R and they paused before they said "R"...desperate.

Other than that it does look more sprawling than the last one, it has a hint of Resident Evil about it, too, which I don't mind because I liked those two movies.

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I have to admit, I'm pretty dissappointed in where this franchise went. I thought the ideal situation would be for this to happen way in the future; really leapfrog after the "Aliens" series; where shortly after Aliens3, Alien infestation into human worlds is significant, and well known. Predators show up and widespread war begins, and humans aren't sure of who they should be fighting..

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Is anyone actually expecting this to be a 'good' movie? I'm just hoping that it's a cool movie with violent action scenes and that type of thing doesn't play well with critics anyway. Especially when they'll be in the midst of reviewing all of the December movies that are (self) important Oscar hopefuls.

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both I and the person I was with thought the trailer was good when we saw it back in Oct. I had zero interest in AVP #1- but this one looked like it had possibilities to be an entertaining popcorn action/thriller.

I haven't been following the production though, and haven't read any script reviews.I do know that Fox consistently exhibits condescesion and disdain for fantasy related properties. They aquire these properties and then fund them at a bare minimum, and are quick to pull the plug just as the material starts picking up steam (Alien3, X-men3, Tru Calling, FF, Firefly, etc) They have the attitude like its a painful duty they have to greenlight these things.
I have an extremely low opinion of the regime at Fox and would blame the filmmakers second and the suits first.
Brett Ratner was a f'ing hero in my book for doing as well as he did with both hands tied behind his back and a hard date and almost no preproduction input.

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Lately, not screening for critics has become the rule rather than the exception. Big FX event films are critic proof anyway, so what's the point in paying for special screenings? I don't think lack of critics' screenings are as big an indicator of quality, or lack thereof, as it used to be.

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I'm looking forward to this. Should be great brain candy.

I do wish they would do an Alien 5 to wrap things up better than they did for Ripley in Ressurection.

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The first 5 minutes

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/a/Aliens-...x-3687454.html

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Worst sequel in years to what could of been a good franchise. Very choppy disorganized story which rushed from scene to scene with no devlopement just to give you back to back gore.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

The photography was too dark, fast and blurry and you could barely see the fight scenes between A vs P

Major waste of money. Should have waited to read reviews.

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Everyone kept saying the first AVP was death to both original series. Apparently some one didn't feel like the grave was deep enough. Direct to video would have been an Oscar for this POS.

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I could not agree with you more. This is the worst movie I've seen this year, and that includes Ghost Rider.

The spoiler above had always been an unwritten rule for me, the point at which I would turn a movie off. I should have.

I honestly cannot believe how bad this movie actually was. (And I thought the 1st one was alright.) The tone of this movie is so beyond any of the other films -- it's on the verge of unintentional camp. I'd compare it to a Friday the 13th (purely by accident, there's no way the director was doing it on purpose), but I like all of those so I won't.

Doug

Doug

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My god, this movie must be really terrible then. While I actually liked the trailer, I wasn't in any rush to see this but reading all these negative reviews has actually boosted my interest in seeing it. I want to see it's as bad as everyone is saying.

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For people to say that the first one was better really says how terrible this one must be! Maybe people will lay off Paul W.S. Anderson for a bit.

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I'm not sure which I find more bizarre: That people are actually paying money to see AVP2 after the steaming pile of dog feces that was AVP1 or that people seem to be genuinely shocked that the sequel to a steaming pile of dog feces like AVP isn't any good.

What's that old saying? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...you...we don't get fooled again.

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I've said it earlier in the thread but I was never expecting a quality movie. I would have been happy with some decent violence/action and it seems like they didn't even pull that off.

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And It's audience-expectation standards like that that will guarantee an AVP3.

As Jay Sherman said on The Critic, "If the movie stinks, just don't go!"

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Just reading that spoiler makes me physically ill and assures that I will never watch this crap in my lifetime.

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I'm sorry that my choice in what I want to watch isn't up to your lofty level. I get what you're saying but not everything I watch has be thought provoking CINEMA- sometimes I just want to see some ass kicking and Alien Vs. Predator is certainly an idea that should provide that good time (and I know it didn't the first time and it apparently hasn't the second time either).

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No lofty standards here; In fact I will often seek out movies that I have heard sucked just to see if they are as bad as people say they are. That's how Basic Instinct 2, I Know Who Killed Me and Alien Vs. Predator skyrocketed to the top of my Netflix queue as soon as they were released. I loves me some bad movies and yes: I AM part of the problem.

However, that being said, my personal philosophy is that if I have knowingly and willingly watched a movie that every fiber of my being told me was going to suck, I have forfeited my right to complain that the movie was a ripoff.

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I thought it was gutsy to do what they did in the scene that everyone is talking about. I was shocked. I never thought a movie would do THAT! I knew I was in for something special after the first 10 minutes. I was kind of entertained, though. The deaths where Predator is just knocking off people who are in the way was pretty entertaining, I thought. But that one scene...was just weird. Gutsy and different, broke all morals, but...and I'm gonna get slammed for this...kinda cool. just my thoughts. If No Country is a 10, this one is a 2 just for going the distance and pulling no punches.

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This was the Aliens sequel I always wanted to see. Let's see how the Earth's military deals with an Alien infestation, and seeing Aliens crawling all over familiar setting were the 2 things I was looking forward to. What I didn't want was

--an incredibly inept screen play
--really REALLY poor acting, including Eric Estrada's son, kidding, but that's who he reminded me of
--way to many quick cuts, and fight scenes ala the "Bourne" movies
--dark equals scary, but darkness for no reason doesn't!
--death just for deaths sake!

They really should have slowed this flick down and made it more of a hide and seek thing, have the Predator hunt for the Aliens.

I really loved 2 things in this flick,

1. The predators night vision and the scene with the Aliens crawling all over the hospital was uber cool!
2. The pool underwear scene

My rating, from the mind of a HUGE Alien fan ......D-

Brent

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I enjoyed this one better than AVP. My views may change on a repeat viewing, but my expectations were low since the first one was my least favorite of the two series.

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I don't think people need to "lay off Paul W.S. Anderson". He was the director and co-writer of the last movie and the last movie was terrible so most of the blame lies on his shoulders.

That said, I've always felt that a massive chunk of the blame belongs to Shane Salerno for the last one too and during this entire time when this movie has been in the works I've been saying that, I've been saying that it's good that Paul W.S. Anderson is no longer attached and the Brothers Strause are truly better directors than he is (there's more creativity in their commercials and music videos than Anderson's entire filmography) but we're still dealing with a Shane Salerno script and that right there practically guarantees that the movie will be mediocre at best. He is undeniably the worst writer working in Hollywood. It's like someone took everything wrong with screenwriting and combined it and Salerno was the result.

Anderson's unbelievably incompetent direction is inexcusable but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you'd probably have a better chance of making a good movie by handing Anderson a great script and forbidding him to alter it than if you gave a Salerno script to any director, however talented they might be. By burdening the Brothers Strause with Salerno's script they never had a chance to make anything good of it.

Given the R-rating (which obviously doesn't guarantee a good movie, but it's still an undeniable improvement in this case) and my belief that the directors are much more talented than Anderson I really have a hard time believing that this movie is truly worse than the last one but I'm sure the difference between the two movies is like the difference between getting kicked in the crotch by a person wearing steel-toed boots and getting kicked in the crotch by a person wearing slippers. They both suck, one of them just sucks a lot more.

I haven't seen this one yet but I'm planning on going in the next few days but when everyone was freaking out over that R-rated trailer and going crazy about the new directors I was the one saying "don't get your hopes up, it's still written by the same guy as the last one" and it looks like I was right.

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Well, I don't know what we expect from movies anymore. We all knew this was going to be shit before we ever saw the first frame. I remember when I first realized movies didn't need to make sense or be good for that matter to be successful. That film was "Charlies Angels" and to this day it is the perfect example of why no music video director should be given a big budget feature film. AVP 1 was bad, yes, bad. What the hell was an Aztec temple doing buried under the Antartic anyway? Or was it the Artic? Man the details of that BS script elude me as with others, I'm sure. I don't need to go out in the rain to know I'll get wet. I don't need to stick my hand in a fire to know I'll get burned. I don't need to go see AVP 2 to know it sucks and neither should any of you.

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I can't speak for those who didn't like it but I think people are surprised about HOW MUCH it sucks rather than that it sucks.

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I can't believe we all saw the same film because I thought AvPR was freakin' sweet!

This was the film that the first one wanted to be and should have been IMO and featured some of the ballsiest scenes in recent years, not since The Omen III The Final Conflict have I seen a film where Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show) I admire the film for going there, it made it real for me, made it a no holds barred and intense slug-fest between these two races of creature.

I liked that the film wasn't afraid to Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I'm a Pred man myself and the Predator(s) in this one really captured what I loved about the creature in the first two Predator films, mysterious, smart and just plain fucking badass! Great touch giving him double plasma casters this time. Plus, and this is the part I just got off on, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I also loved that they went back to using an actor who had Kevin Peter Hall's body type which was tall and lean rather than the bulky football players we got in AvP. It's clear that the filmmakers were, like most, dissatisfied with the original and wanted to correct the errors and IMO they did it in spades. It sort of reminded me of a combination of Die Hard, Aliens, Dawn of the Dead and the original Predator.

I'm sorry you guys didn't enjoy but I loved it and will definitely go back again, GALAXIES better than the first one was IMO. Exciting, intense, bold and well paced, AvPR brought the joint to it's knees and reaffirmed my love of these two creatures, particularly the Predator. I went in with faint expectations and was blown away by how much I enjoyed it.