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CURSES FOILED AGAIN FOR STERN

By DON KAPLAN
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January 23, 2006 -- Howard Stern may be coming down with a Sirius case of the bleeps.
High-level executives of the satellite broadcaster are developing an internal standards-and-practices document that will set boundaries for Stern and other shock jocks, The Post has learned.

“It’s something that’s being taken very seriously," a Sirius source said.

Stern's new show also is being broadcast on a time-delay, giving him the opportunity to censor the program — which he already has done.

Stern moved to Sirius in part because satellite-radio services such as Sirius and XM — unlike free terrestrial radio — are not policed by the FCC, which spent years waging an indecency war against him.

The battle resulted in big-bucks fines against Stern and his former employers at Viacom.

XM, which is now home to shock jocks Opie and Anthony, confirmed that it has had its own guidelines in place for some time, but declined to provide details.

The standards of the private satellite broadcasters can be far looser than those imposed by the FCC on the public airways.



Sirius' move toward self-censorship comes as pressure continues to mount in Congress to regulate programming on cable and satellite radio and TV.

For years, cable executives have resisted government threats of regulation, claiming that self-policing has been sufficient.

It's a move satellite radio seems to be getting ready to emulate.

But even with Stern safely out of the FCC's reach, his foes, including self-appointed anti-obscenity crusaders like John B. Thompson, argue that other government agencies should take up the cause.

"The DOJ [Department of Justice] now has the chance to make amends for its laxity during Stern's criminal conduct on terrestrial radio for 25 years," the Florida lawyer wrote to Bruce Taylor, who oversees the DOJ's Criminal Division in a Jan. 9 letter obtained by The Post. Meanwhile, Stern himself has asked for some restraint on his show, encouraging his staff not to use profanity too often.

On one occasion last week, Stern even "dumped" out a minor bit of his own broadcast to protect the identity of a staff member's family.

On Stern's old show, the dump switch was controlled by station officials, who frequently bleeped out racy material.

It's not clear whether Stern knew he'd be subject to any limitations when he signed on with Sirius, which is paying him about $100 million a year.

He also was awarded $220 million in stock after the company reported that it had signed up more than 3 million new subscribers, boosting its total to 3.3 million. XM has more than 6 million subscribers.

Sirius officials did not return calls for comment on the proposal.

The imposition of loose standards is not likely to put much of a dent into Stern's free-for-all broadcasts or scare off any of his advertisers, an expert said.

"I believe this is just an attempt to put things in place if and when [the government] turns up the heat on satellite radio, much like it has with cable from time to time," said Robert Thompson, director of the Center for the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University.

"In the end, it won't mean much to the average listener or advertiser."

Advertisers are paying less for Stern's spots on Sirius than they did for his show on traditional radio — especially since there is no way to verify how many Sirius subscribers are tuning in to his show.

Sources said it may be as little as half of the $20,000 per 30-second spot that had been floated when he signed up.

don.kaplan@nypost.com
post #2 of 33
This is what I had heard last week, and
I'll start with Howard Stern as it relates
to him specifically....

Supposedly, Sprint and Sirius just partnered
up to offer satellite radio over the phones.
Apparently, Sprint didn't like the explicit
content of Howard Stern's show and had Sirius
censor the channel (among others).

Knowing Howard Stern, this has got to be a major
setback for him since he has always dreamed of
moving to totally unregulated radio.

As far as Opie and Anthony are concerned...

At the time XM raised their subsription rates,
they took away O&A's PREMIUM standing and made
their show available to all subscribers.

I remember O&A were talking about having to
calm their show down because XM was concerned
about listeners wandering into the channel and
being exposed to their highly explicit content.

I can tell you this....

I listen to O&A regularly, and the show hasn't
become any more toned-down than it was from day
one -- or at least, I don't notice it. The show
still remains outrageously explicit including the
airing of frank sex talk and (occasionaly) acts.


I am personally angry that there is so much
concern being given to censoring satellite radio
and I am surprised that the companies are actually
beginning to regulate content even before they
are forced to -- which may be never.

Satellite radio is a PAID service, just as
cable and satellite television is. And, just
like the other mediums, there are safeguards
put in place to block programming that may be
deemed too mature.

I absolutely feel our government spends far
too much time attempting to tell us what we
can and cannot watch. The responsibility lies
in the home and upon parents who should use the
tools made available to them to block specific
shows from their children.

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Supposedly, Sprint and Sirius just partnered
up to offer satellite radio over the phones.
Apparently, Sprint didn't like the explicit
content of Howard Stern's show and had Sirius
censor the channel (among others).

Actually, the Sprint deal talks have nothing to do with Stern; Stern has to approve his show going to any other format before SIRIUS can sell it, and Sprint wasn't one of them. In the end, Sprint wanted only the music networks, and their complaint was not so much about Stern or any talk programming (as they aren't going to carry any, as they can't carry CNN, ESPN, etc. feeds without approval of those networks) but rather had to do with a few music channels - most notably Shade45 and a few others. Sprint had no plans (and could have no plans) for any of the talk programming; SIRIUS (nor XM) have rights to resale almost any of it.

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I remember O&A were talking about having to
calm their show down because XM was concerned
about listeners wandering into the channel and
being exposed to their highly explicit content.

And remember, before O&A, Bubba The Love Sponge was booted from XM for content concerns, along with all other networks. *shrug* so there are still content issues.

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I am personally angry that there is so much
concern being given to censoring satellite radio
and I am surprised that the companies are actually
beginning to regulate content even before they
are forced to -- which may be never.

Senate hearings are ongoing now. And actually, if you're SIRIUS, you both love and hate it, the talk of adding satellite to regulations is scary for them (though I can't see that being enforcable as a paid service) but also good in the sense that Stern specifically has been mentioned repeatedly and often.. it's like free advertising for them.

BTW, as to this bit:

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Sources said it may be as little as half of the $20,000 per 30-second spot that had been floated when he signed up.

$20,000 per spot is what Stern received on OTA for a 30 second. On SIRI, he's getting $9,500-$11,500 dependant on the time. That meks it the highest (by more then double) advertising cost anywhere on either service XM or SIRIUS, and I have no problem with SIRI taking in the slightly over $250,000-$300,000 per show in marketing value that is estimated.
post #5 of 33
I've listened to Stern every single day and he has not been bleeped at all. I have no knowledge of the Sprint issue, but please, let's not spin this speculation into fact.
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And remember, before O&A, Bubba The Love Sponge was booted from XM for content concerns


When was Bubba on XM? I remember Bubba being fired from Clear Channel. I never heard that he was booted from XM. Maybe XM was just broadcasting his Clear Channel show and when he was fired, there was nothing for XM to broadcast from him.
post #7 of 33
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Our last show on XM was the last show we did on terrestrial rado as well.


It sounds like XM was rebroadcasting his show to a national audience. In any case, XM didn't have anything to do with him getting the boot.

Jason
post #8 of 33
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It sounds like XM was rebroadcasting his show to a national audience. In any case, XM didn't have anything to do with him getting the boot.


XM (channel 152?) aired some Clearchannel shows including Bubba at the time and now shows like Lex and Terry.

Not sure about Sirius but XM offers channels labeled as XL due their explicit content. People can choose to block them by calling XM. This allows O&A to get keep the show as explicit as they like.
post #9 of 33
O&A spent an hour this morning attacking Stern
after the radio legend made some false claims about
XM Radio and their talent last Friday.

Pretty funny stuff.

In any event, O&A said that their show has not
been toned down in any way since they lost their
PREMIUM status, nor will the show ever tame itself.
post #10 of 33
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O&A spent an hour this morning attacking Stern
after the radio legend made some false claims about
XM Radio and their talent last Friday.



I believe what they must be talking about was the LACK of talent on XM (in Sterns opinion). Which of course is subjective.
post #11 of 33
Can't they just agree that Jack Thompson is an idiot?
post #12 of 33
The name of this game is "divide and conquer". It seems to me that fans of Opie/Anthony and fans of Stern have a common interest in not being played by the likes of these.

Just a reminder that in this media conglomerated world, a paper like the NY Post is owned by a guy named Rupert Murdoch who also has an interest in a little thing called Fox News that often features pro-censorship activists like and including John Thompson who testifies before and encourages letter-writing campaigns to the FCC for the primary purpose of controlling speech. And what's the latest cause-de-jour for the regulated media and censorship proponents? Authorizing the FCC to regulate in areas beyond their traditional mandate that presently limits them to the broadcast spectrum; to wit, the censoring of cable television, the internet, and satellite radio.

Some of you may recall a farcical little congressional "Forum on Indecency" chaired by the - ahem - esteemed Republican senator from Alaska, Ted Stevens. Recently he spoke with the National Association of Broadcasters, leaving no doubt where he stands on this issue:

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Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Ted Stevens said on Tuesday he would push for applying broadcast decency standards to cable television and subscription satellite TV and radio.

"Cable is a much greater violator in the indecency area," the Alaska Republican told the National Association of Broadcasters, which represents most local television and radio affiliates. "I think we have the same power to deal with cable as over-the-air" broadcasters.

Stevens told reporters afterward that he would push legislation to apply the standards to cable TV and satellite radio and television. It could become part of a pending bill to boost fines on broadcasters who violate indecency restrictions or of an effort to overhaul U.S. communications laws.

Last year the Senate Commerce Committee narrowly defeated an amendment to a bill boosting fines for indecency that would have extended such limits to cable and satellite services.http://web.archive.org/web/200503120...&w=RTR&coview=

Just saying... let's not be coopted by these fools and find ourselves rooting for/against Opie & Anthony or Howard Stern, because ultimately we'll be the losers. Fans of both shows and both satellite radio services will hopefully recognize that they have a shared interest here, and a real enemy there.

As for this story? I doubt its veracity quite frankly. Understand that all speech already has its limits, including those ascribed by libel/slander laws and obscenity restrictions (as opposed to "indecency"), and I feel safe in presuming that both XM and Sirius have in-house attorneys and standards that keep their broadcasts on the legal side of these lines. But it's very easy to trump those sorts of things up into a controversy like "SIRIUS censors Stern!", and when it comes to the NY Post and Rupert Murdoch... let's just say that extra care must be taken to read between the lines.
post #13 of 33
As and XM subscriber for over a year, I finally decided to listen to Opie and Anthony (I almost always listen to the music stations) to see what it was all about. I have to say that they are more intelligent that I had bargained for, but the show is not for me. At times they can be very funny, but quite frankly, and I'm no prude, it is simply too vulgar for my taste. I'm going to exercise my purogitive and simply not listen to them anymore. I'm more than happy with my music. If Don Imus ever comes to Satellite, I will gladly follow him to whichever service lands him. I believe that to a degree ultimately the marketplace will censor Stern and O&A. After all there aren't many desirable advertisers with deep pockets that are going to want to associate their product with a show that has a woman shoving a phone up her @#!!*%**, while talking on the radio.
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After all there aren't many desirable advertisers with deep pockets that are going to want to associate their product with a show that has a woman shoving a phone up her @#!!*%**, while talking on the radio.

Yes, but perhaps there are vulgar advertisers who are in search of vulgar customers. The demographics of vulgarity are huge.
post #15 of 33
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O&A spent an hour this morning attacking Stern after the radio legend made some false claims about
XM Radio and their talent last Friday.


I have listened to Stern all 5 hours a day for the 2+ weeks he has been on. I broke down and got the S50 and I get to listen to live for 2 hours in the morning and recorded on the s50 for 3 hours after work. While I do not have XM, I have been paying attention to reports of O&A mentioning him on an almost daily basis.

In the 55+ hours I have been listening to Stern, he has mentioned O&A exactly 1 time. In this instance, he said he felt bad for them when they tried to send a few stragglers to interrupt his transition over to sat radio. He said they were few in number and seemed to be carrying signs that were produced by XM. He reiterated that it should be a competition between terrestrial and satellite, not XM and Sirius and called their attempts to "infiltrate" his show "lame". The whole conversation lasted about 2 minutes.

Given the amount of time O&A seem to be spending on Howard and Howard's pretty much ignoring them back, "lame" is a fit description, IMHO.

Also, Howard denies everything about this story and said it was basically made up out of whole cloth. THe fact that the only "expert" Fox news found to say it is true was Chaunce Hayden, a semi-psychotic ex-Wack Pack member who has been banned from the show for over a year, I tend to believe Howard.
post #16 of 33
I am definitely not a Stern fan. As a matter of fact I pretty much can't stand him. Putting all that aside, all the legitimate reviews I've seen so far are saying that he is doing a great job so far. See Entertainment Weekly for one of them; I think they gave him an A- and David Lee Roth a D.
post #17 of 33
Jeremy, I have to agree with you and your point "that the demographics of vulgarity are huge." After all porn is what made the Internet possible. If O&A are looking for that type of advertiser, they should have no trouble in obtaining them.
post #18 of 33
As usual the media takes a story totally without merit and runs with it. At this point the only person with the ability to censor the show is Howard. He has a dump button in the event that someone is slandered, libeled, etc. Other than that everything else (as long as it is legal)is fair game.
post #19 of 33
Excellent read Rich. I agree with you 100%.

Chris
post #20 of 33
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O&A spent an hour this morning attacking Stern
after the radio legend made some false claims about
XM Radio and their talent last Friday.


i've been listening to him since he came on sirius, what did he say.
i cant remeber anything that may be false claims about xm.

ron did you hear what howard said or is this just going on what o and a say howrd said.
post #21 of 33
Opie and Anthony were playing clips from his
Sirius show where he was taking shots at the boys
and XM radio in general. That I heard.

O&A were pointing out the instances were Howard
wasn't exactly getting his facts correct.
post #22 of 33
I listen to Sterny every day and I listen to his entire show.

All he said about O&A were that he felt bad for them, mainly because they have to constantly attach themselves to Howard and his show. How at his final show they only could muster around 20-30 people to show up.

He then went on about XM and how HE THINKs Sirius is being wiser because they are sinking more money into content.

What did he say that wasn't opinion based and was wrong ?
post #23 of 33
I can second exactly what Brent T said. Howard has mentioned XM/O & A exactly one time and that lasted all of 30 seconds. It seems to me that O & A are obsessed with Howard and just a little bit jealous. There is a rumor floating around that in March 2006 Arbitron will begin tracking ratings for individual satellite channels. That should put to rest once and for all who the top draw in the business is. I'm going out on a limb here and saying that Howards audience is going to prove to be slightly larger.
post #24 of 33
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It seems to me that O & A are obsessed with Howard and just a little bit jealous


I don't think that's exactly true. O&A may talk alot and rail against Howard. I don't think it's jealousy. They have a huge axe to grind with Stern and now that they finally have the freedom to talk about him again, they talk about him. I have yet to see a Stern fan defend or comment about the fact that he went to Mel Karmazin and had other Jocks at Infinity barred from mentioning him in any way. This is a guy who made his bones tormenting and railing against other Jocks who were in competition with him. He spent most of his career railing against Imus because he treated him like a dick when he came to WNBC. Howard treated O&A even worse when they came to Infinity. Why is it that when O&A talk about Howard they are "Obsessed and Jealous" Obviously there are some Stern fans in here (myself included, but not as much as I used to be) so I would like to hear they have to say about the gag orders that he had imposed and the other hypocritical shit he did involving O&A.

As far as the number of listeners go, they have never had any illusions that Howard has a huge audience. If they were to overtake Howard in listeners, would it make them very happy? Of course. If they don't, I doubt they are going to lose much sleep over it.
post #25 of 33
Will makes excellent points that are
VERY truthful.

The reason O&A spend a lot of time going
after Stern is because for years, they couldn't.

I have talked about this many times before...

O&A grew up listening and admiring Howard Stern.
It was never their intention to ever be on the
opposing end.

This entire war between O&A and Stern started
with Howard -- a man that was so concerned with
any upcoming talent that may overtake his that
he made certain that talent was buried. Will G
is just as much in the "know" as the rest of
O&A fans that have heard the Howard stories over
the years. Those who are not listeners of O&A
have trouble understanding the situation.

Despite the underhanded crap that Howard pulled
against O&A and other jocks, O&A were forbidden
to talk about Howard on the air. Even after the
boys resorted to using "code words" instead of
Howard's name, the self-proclaimed King of all
Media was continued crying to Mel Karmizan and
had further gag orders issued.

The problem, in a nutshell, is that Howard has
spent his career making viscious attacks on other
people. Yet, when people turn around and do the
same to him it's no longer fair game. This is one
of the reasons I ceased being a Howard Stern fan.
post #26 of 33
As said, I have no interest in Stern.

That having been said, if O&A discuss Stern a lot, even just to rail on him, SIRIUS has to be pleased. You've got XM forums devoting tons of space to "did you hear what Howard said?" and so forth. That's good for SIRIUS because it highlights their product in XM forums.

Even if O&A "tear Stern Apart" as Ron and others have asserted (and I don't know, don't listen to either) their repeated references to him as well as XM fans repeated need to discuss Howard continues to point out the difference in the networks. That's good for SIRIUS.

I don't find SIRIUS forums discussing "Did you hear what O&A said.." as much as I see XM forums discussing "Don't bet on Howard" "Howard is the boogieman" "O&A take on Howard". So, I'll let this "XM" forum continue to spend it's time while it's top threads are discussing what SIRIUS is doing
post #27 of 33
Chris,

Good words of wisdom.

And if none of this truly interests you
then I suspect in the future you'll be much
busier within the Sirius forum.
post #28 of 33
Ron or any other O&A listeners,

I was wondering if O&A commented on the FCC's potential legislation on regulating satellite radio and cable tv. Even though Stern may be the catalyst for this, don't think the boys won't be affected by the wackos who want to regulate a paid service. Just curious to see if it was discussed or commented on.

Chris
post #29 of 33
My question to the O & A fans is where is the proof that all these behind closed doors meetings to censor them took place? Just because they say it happened does that make it so? Why would Howard devote so much time to censoring a radio show with only a fraction of his listeners? As far as I can tell they were never really a threat to him ratings wise. It seems to me that their rampant bashing of the guy on top is a cry for attention and publicity. If they are as funny and as talented as they claim to be then their show should speak for itself.
post #30 of 33
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My question to the O & A fans is where is the proof that all these behind closed doors meetings to censor them took place? Just because they say it happened does that make it so? Why would Howard devote so much time to censoring a radio show with only a fraction of his listeners? As far as I can tell they were never really a threat to him ratings wise.


Obviously none of us were there, but, as far as anyone knows, which includes Infinity jocks and the press, it is an absolute fact that they were barred from even merely mentioning Howards name, or as Ron pointed out, even talking indirectly about Stern by using code words and such. I highly doubt this is something that is made up. The order had to come from somewhere and even if, and I stress the word "even" the gag order had nothing to do with complaints from Howard, why didn't Howard say to Mel "Forget it, let them say whatever they want about me"

According to O&A after they renewed their contract which stipulated that they could again talk about Howard (which was a major point that was documented in the press) they were still barred by upper management by way of threatening that they would fire station level management and pretty much everyone else involved with the show that they legally could. Once again, this seems to me like too strong claim to have been entirely made up.

As for not being a threat to Howard in the ratings, I'm not sure that is true either. People have to remember that right before O&A were taken off the air at WNEW, they were becoming very popular. They were syndicated to over a dozen major markets and were number one in New York, Boston, Philadelphia and Washington D.C. (and maybe more) in their time slot among the more important listening demographic, Men 18-49. Infinity seemed to think that O&A could be a threat. They held on to them for 2 years and paid out their entire contract without them ever being on the air again after the St. Pat's Cathedral incident. The only way they would have been let out of their contract would be to agree to never talk about "anyone at Infinity" over the air. I have no doubt that at the time O&A had a large amount of listeners that also listened to Stern who would have stuck with O&A had they ever gone head to head in Terrestrial radio.

And as I have pointed out, rampant bashing of other Jocks is something Howard has made a career out of himself. Was he "crying for attention" and not "letting his show speak for itself when he was railing against Imus, DeBella, Mark and Brian, Mancow etc. Has he been "Letting his show speak for itself" when he was...wait....still is rating about the FCC and the Government virtually every day? Is he "letting his show speak for itself" by blasting any other jock who ever told a dick joke as a clone? Was he letting his show speak for itself when he said he has not been able to do good radio for the last 10 years (the same 10 years when O&A were building their careers and making a name for themselves under the same FCC guidelines) If anything, I would say it is O&A who were doing a better job of letting their show speak for itself while Howard was just bleeding on his cross.

In spite of all that is known with Howard's hypocracies, I don't know why fans think of him as utterly infallible. I don't hate Howard, I have always enjoyed his show. But I believe he has pulled crybaby crap behind the scenes and am willing to recognize that.
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