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"Sweeney Todd" with Tim Burton and Johnny Depp

post #1 of 56
1/8/06 at 5:25pm
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=12608

Since all of their collaborations so far have been brilliant, I can't wait to see this next one. Will this be after Burton films "Ripley's Believe It or Not" with Jim Carrey?
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post #2 of 56
1/9/06 at 4:02am
Interesting. Never seen the show, but just based on my understanding of the basic storyline (barber kills people, neighbour cooks them in pies, or something like that I think) it's definitely material that I can see appealing to Burton. Should be fun.
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post #3 of 56
1/9/06 at 6:23am
Saw the original in 1979. Angela Landsbury and Len Cariou. It was GREAT.

Can Depp sing?!
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post #4 of 56
1/9/06 at 10:06am
No no no...Johnny Depp? what happened to Russell Crowe who I believe would be best suited for the role. Burton? all style but can he make a musical?
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post #5 of 56
1/9/06 at 9:05pm
The question is actually "Can he make a live-action musical?" since he's already cut his teeth on The Nightmare Before Christmas and The Corpse Bride.
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post #6 of 56
1/9/06 at 9:38pm
I got to see a professional production of this show 3 months ago with full orchestra in Minneapolis, and while Sondheim is not very big with me (I prefer the old fashioned musicals from Rodgers and Hammerstein or especially Jerry Herman), I did like this one, very dramatic. I cannot imagine Johnny in this role, it requires major singing talent. Why do they do this to musicals? I do think that Tim Burton making this musical i9n his style is perfect, it will be very moody, which goes with the story. Too bad Angela Lansbury is probably too old, but at least we have the dvd version with her and George Hearn. This will be very interesting. Now if they would only film Miss Saigon and Les Miserables! I think those would be good for today's audience, especially if they liked Chicago.
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post #7 of 56
1/9/06 at 9:50pm
I'll be surprised if it actually happens. With the exception of Chicago, recent film versions of hit Broadway musicals haven't done great business (Phantom, Rent, Producers). And I have my doubts about how well the musical numbers will translate to the screen. How do you capture the irony of a romantic ballad like "Pretty Women", which Sweeney sings as a duet with a man whose throat he's about to cut? (And don't get me started on "A Little Priest".)

As for Johnny Depp, who knows? It's an extravagant role, but so were Captain Jack and Ed Wood. I'd be more concerned about the (adapted) script than the lead.

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Never seen the show
There's a decent DVD based on the original Broadway production (with Angela Lansbury and George Hearn, who replaced Len Cariou). And there's about to be a CD of the current Broadway revival with Patty Lupone and Michael Cerveris, which completely reinvents the show and is so good that I'm seeing it a second time.

M.
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post #8 of 56
3/10/06 at 8:28am
I was reminded of this thread by a report in today's New York Post (by their theater columnist) that Johnny Depp recently took in the current B'way revival of Sweeney and remains interested in playing Sweeney on film.

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/64974.htm

M.
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post #9 of 56
3/10/06 at 8:49am
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And there's about to be a CD of the current Broadway revival with Patty Lupone and Michael Cerveris, which completely reinvents the show and is so good that I'm seeing it a second time.
Will it be a complete edition, this time?
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post #10 of 56
3/10/06 at 9:04am
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Will it be a complete edition, this time?
Not sure what you mean. The new CD (which has appeared since I wrote that) accurately and completely reflects the current production, but nothing else.

M.
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post #11 of 56
3/10/06 at 9:22am
I've only heard one production--LuPone/Cerveris. I have the CD set, and it's very nice. However, if there were any songs related to Fogg's asylum, they are not on disc.
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post #12 of 56
3/10/06 at 9:45am
I believe the story behind the LuPone/Cerveris disc is that it originally was actually recorded as a "selections" CD, but they found they still had too much material for a single CD so they had to span two discs and didn't think it would work to call it a "Selections from" CD anymore. Unfortunately, the money wasn't there to bring the actors and musicians back in to record the parts of the show that hadn't been recorded so we have what we have now.

I'm not really sure what's missing, I'm not intimately familiar with the show, I've just watched the Concert DVD (with LuPone) as my only other reference to what's in the show.
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post #13 of 56
3/10/06 at 9:53am
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However, if there were any songs related to Fogg's asylum, they are not on disc.
The scene set in Fogg's asylum is entirely spoken. I assume you're referring to "The Wigmaker" and "The Letter", where Sweeney teaches Anthony how to impersonate a wigmaker and then writes a letter to Judge Turpin. This production presents those scenes more as recitations than as songs. They're not included in the program's song listing, and I suspect that's why they're not on the CDs.

M.
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post #14 of 56
3/10/06 at 11:11am
Parlor Songs is also missing. It's difficult to follow the plot if one doesn't read the synopsis, though I suppose that's true of most recordings of musicals, even the "complete" ones.
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post #15 of 56
3/10/06 at 3:34pm
"Parlor Songs" was radically shortened for this production. The only portions that remain are those that are incorporated into the conversation between Mrs. Lovett and the Beadle. I was surprised, when I checked the program just now, to see that it was even listed. So I guess I have to revise my earlier statement to say: "The new CD accurately reflects the current production, except for the omission of the shortened (and a cappella) 'Parlor Songs'".


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I believe the story behind the LuPone/Cerveris disc is that it originally was actually recorded as a "selections" CD, but they found they still had too much material for a single CD so they had to span two discs and didn't think it would work to call it a "Selections from" CD anymore. Unfortunately, the money wasn't there to bring the actors and musicians back in to record the parts of the show that hadn't been recorded so we have what we have now.
That doesn't sound right. Except for the three items I've noted (and possibly one or two reprises of "City on Fire"), everything is on the CD. You wouldn't do that much if you were only planning a "selections" album.

BTW, the actors are the musicians, on stage and on the album. Somehow I don't think we'll be seeing that in a movie.

M.
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post #16 of 56
3/11/06 at 12:55pm
Yeah, I new the musicians were the actors and vice versa, just said "musicians" out of habit. That story was just something I'd heard or read somewhere so I was just relaying a possibility.

As much as I like Depp though I don't really see him in the part of Sweeney.
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post #17 of 56
3/11/06 at 3:27pm
I'd love to see a filmed version of this, but agree that Depp isn't the right actor for Sweeny. I can see Burton as director though. Never seen this on stage, but I've rented both the taped stage production with George Hearn and Angela Lansbury, and the concert version with Hearn and Patti Lapone, and loved both. Strangely, the way I was even introduced to this show was by watching "Jersey Girl", where they do a song from the play for the girls school talent show!

Brian
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post #18 of 56
3/11/06 at 3:45pm
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I'll be surprised if it actually happens. With the exception of Chicago, recent film versions of hit Broadway musicals haven't done great business (Phantom, Rent, Producers). And I have my doubts about how well the musical numbers will translate to the screen. How do you capture the irony of a romantic ballad like "Pretty Women", which Sweeney sings as a duet with a man whose throat he's about to cut? (And don't get me started on "A Little Priest".)]

I think there has been some movie success with musicals, even lately. The films you list did not do great business. But did Moulin Rouge do OK? I think there are a few other recent films that have done musical versions as well, basically. I'll have to look.
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post #19 of 56
3/12/06 at 3:06pm
I only heard the CDs and saw some of a video of the play about 12 or 13 years ago in my 8th grade music class, so my knowledge of it all isn't too good. But from what I remember of it, I think Tim Robbins would be better than Johnny Depp in the role. I'm probably totally off on thinking that.
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post #20 of 56
3/12/06 at 3:23pm
This is the greatest musical of the last 30 years, and the idea of Burton and Depp being involved is indeed exciting.

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There is no way in hell that Johnny Depp can sing this role. Which means that we well may be subjected to another Marni Nixon/Audrey Hepburn fiasco, where a major star has to let a Broadway pro dub his/her singing, a la My Fair Lady.


I'm extremely dubious as to how this will play out.
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post #21 of 56
3/12/06 at 8:00pm
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There is no way in hell that Johnny Depp can sing this role. Which means that we well may be subjected to another Marni Nixon/Audrey Hepburn fiasco, where a major star has to let a Broadway pro dub his/her singing, a la My Fair Lady.
That did turn out well, though. When most people think of Eliza Dolittle, they think of Hepburn. That's because even though she didn't sing the majority of the songs, she acted every moment and completely and utterly captured the transformation of that character.
As far as musical performances go, Hepburn is certainly no slouch.
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post #22 of 56
3/12/06 at 8:08pm
Right, but the problem is, that no matter how good My Fair Lady is, and it's wonderful, Warner Brothers should have recognized the greatness of the material and cast Julie Andrews, who originated the role, instead. She would've been far better in the part, because her speaking role and singing voice would have matched perfectly. I love My Fair Lady and Audrey Hepburn, but the songs don't even sound like Hepburn is singing them.

I love Johnny Depp, too. But I guarantee you someone out there is more deserving of the role. Sweeney Todd is such a great work of art, it doesn't matter who they cast in the roles as long as they can sing them.
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post #23 of 56
3/13/06 at 7:07pm
I think Johnny Depp would be totally miscast as Sweeney. Johnny looks to young with his little boy face. I hope they give it to Russell Crowe who was said to be looking at the script.
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post #24 of 56
3/13/06 at 7:42pm
When will Hollywood learn how to make musicals? They should have learned from the bombs of the late 60's and up until today that with musicals, even great actors like Johnny Depp are just not right without a decent singing voice. Lucille Ball in Mame, Peter O'Toole in Man of La Mancha, Clint Eastwood in Paint Your Wagon, Madonna in Evita, (to name a few) and I am afraid Johnny will be added to that list. While I think some of those I listed did a decent acting job, none could really sing the roles as they were written. (I might add that Madonna has a decent singing voice, but the requirements for Evita were way beyond her range).

And now I am reading that they are planning for 2007 a new 3 hour tv movie of the musical MAME...and who are they considering above all others? CHER! Didn't they already ruin that wonderful musical once with the same type of casting with the hoarsy voice and lack of elegance that the role demands?

I don't think Hollywood will dub a voice anymore, so I suspect Johnny's voice it just might be

Pardon my anger, but my favorite entertainment in the world are musicals, and it's sad to see Hollywood ruining the catagory again, after it got a small chance at revival on screen after Chicago. I DO believe, though, that Tim Burton would be a great director for this.
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post #25 of 56
3/14/06 at 9:06pm
If Burton directs what are the odds of Helena Bonham Carter (Mrs Tim Burton in real life) playing Miss Lovett?

Don't know if she can sing but she might be an interesting choice. Or maybe she would be better as the beggar woman.
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post #26 of 56
10/13/06 at 6:19am
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Re: "Sweeney Todd" with Tim Burton and Johnny Depp

I hope this pans out. Sacha Baron Cohen and Johnny Depp would be an amazing team up!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=16961
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post #27 of 56
10/13/06 at 7:28am

Re: "Sweeney Todd" with Tim Burton and Johnny Depp

Well, the part Cohen would play isn't really that large, and that little article makes it out to be something more substantial than it is in the stage show. Of course, I haven't seen how the film adapation would work, but the whole thing with Pirelli is really rather peripheral to the main thrust of the story's plot.
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post #28 of 56
10/18/06 at 9:41am

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"If Burton directs what are the odds of Helena Bonham Carter (Mrs Tim Burton in real life) playing Miss Lovett? "

Odds were pretty good.

Helena Bohnam Carter will be playing Mrs. Lovette in the film, announced today. I had a strong feeling she's get cast. esp. playing opposite Johnny Depp. A true Burton family film.
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post #29 of 56
10/18/06 at 10:34am

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OK, HBC is on-board so it's only a matter of time before Deep Roy is cast.
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post #30 of 56
12/7/06 at 11:14am
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Re: "Sweeney Todd" with Tim Burton and Johnny Depp

The cast just keeps getting better and better. Alan Rickman will play the judge.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=17877
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