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post #1 of 496
1/5/06 at 7:36am
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I know the movie begins production later this month or February. Just wondering if their is any idea of a release date?

On a side note. Daniel Radcliff has said he wants to do all of the HP movies.
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post #2 of 496
1/5/06 at 7:47am
Glad we got this thread going. I haven't read the book, though I intend to.

What is the anticipated release date?
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post #3 of 496
1/5/06 at 8:54am
June 2007. It's my favorite Harry Potter book, and I have no doubts it'll be good. The director, David Yates, is new to features but is well-respected for quality British TV dramas. The writer, Michael Goldenberg, wrote the screenplay for Contact, and is working on some wonderful things, such as Where the Wild Things Are. Plus he wrote Peter Pan, a far too underrated and overlooked film.

The only casting news for far (other than the usual cast, the Trio and teachers), is Imelda Staunton as Dolores Umbridge. We have to be careful with spoilers. I don't want to ruin anything for Chris. Other cast members should be announced within the next couple of weeks.
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post #4 of 496
1/5/06 at 9:04am
Steven Kloves isnt doing the screenplay for OOTF??

I didnt know that, anyone know why?
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post #5 of 496
1/5/06 at 9:33am
Schedule conflict I believe. He said he wants to come back for Half-Blood Prince though. He said he loved the book.
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post #6 of 496
1/5/06 at 9:42am
It'll be a big year for Potter fans. The last book should be out right around that time as well I think.
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post #7 of 496
1/5/06 at 12:49pm
Kloves wanted some time off with his family, but his kids didn't think much about him not doing it so now he's adapting Half Blood Prince. The upside is that the script should be ready a few months after principle on OOTP wraps so they can plow straight into shooting HBP and have principle wrapped on it before OOTP is released in June 2007. That could mean a November 2007 or 2008 release for OOTP.

In other news I believe JK Rowling said she'd begin writing book seven this month as well. So hopefully the book will be out summer 2007 also.
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post #8 of 496
1/5/06 at 1:11pm
He was directing a different project for David Heyman. The plus side, as the previous Adam has mentioned, is that now they have two screenwriters working simultaneously which will hopefully keep things moving smoother so the kids aren't 30 by Movie 7.
Of all of the books so far, #5 probably has the most landmines as it doesn't have a central plot backbone like Goblet of Fire does. There's no real mystery to solve, and most of it is just a meandering character piece. All of those qualities make it probably my favorite of the books, but as it's the most literary it's also the least cinematic.
Still, I've heard nothing but good things about Goldenberg's Peter Pan screenplay, so I'm confident he'll be up to the task. The Goblet movie is a hell of a tough act to follow, however.
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post #9 of 496
1/5/06 at 4:17pm
Of all of the books so far, #5 probably has the most landmines as it doesn't have a central plot backbone like Goblet of Fire does. There's no real mystery to solve, and most of it is just a meandering character piece. All of those qualities make it probably my favorite of the books, but as it's the most literary it's also the least cinematic.


Yeah, I loved those qualities too (and the book as a whole) but it's certainly one of the most polarizing of the books among readers. I suspect that might have also played into Kloves' decision not to adapt it.

Very heartened to hear Michael Goldenberg's involvement. I, too, though Peter Pan was rather unappreciated.

I'm a bit more nervous about Yates since I'm not familiar with his work but I was also initially hesitant about Newell and I thought he did an even better job than Cuaron so I'm ready to trust their instincts here.

I said it in the Box Office thread, but after the stellar GoF returns, I won't be surprised in the slightest to see this moved to November 2007.
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post #10 of 496
1/5/06 at 5:40pm
I'm hoping that Cuaron returns to direct either film #6 or 7. Azkaban is my favorite of the series and I really appreciated the style he brought to the series.
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post #11 of 496
1/5/06 at 6:47pm
Cuarón could be good for Six since I think his relentless pacing actually suits that material. I thought he dropped the ball in a few key ways on POA, though. Like Kevin, I think Newell did an even better job than Cuarón.
I think more than anything, I'd hope they keep trying new people as the series goes along to keep it fresh. Heyman has been very good about "casting" directors that are bold and creative enough to have recognizable cinematic fingerprints but which respect the work enough not to domineer it. As long as that trend continues, I think Harry will be in good shape.
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post #12 of 496
1/5/06 at 6:50pm
At least the following two things are key to a successful adaptation: 1- Casting/performance of Dolores Umbridge, and 2- A director/cinematopher team that will succeed in conveying the oppressive and paranoid atmosphere of the book.

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H
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post #13 of 496
1/6/06 at 6:14am
So, like, what are the rules for the thread? I'm tired of trying to post in Potter threads and have people who aren't reading the books start screaming. Is this a thread that assumes we haven't read past Book5, or that assumes we haven't even read Book5, or what?

PS: start reading
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post #14 of 496
1/6/06 at 6:25am
Holadem,
Well they got #1 right. Imelda Staunton will get it. I've yet to be worried about casting in the HP films. They always seem to get it right.

Book 5 was my least favorite. A lot of that had to do with the ending of Book 4. I thought it changed everything, and yet when I got back, just like a sitcom, I was stuck with a similar plot, similar subplots, and a rather poor villain for most of the book. For me, it felt like she was treading water, waiting to get to book 6. A reread would probably cure a lot of that for me. That said, she nailed the angry teenage boy angle...not easy to write at all, and she did it.
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post #15 of 496
1/6/06 at 7:59am
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Book 5 was my least favorite. A lot of that had to do with the ending of Book 4. I thought it changed everything, and yet when I got back, just like a sitcom, I was stuck with a similar plot, similar subplots, and a rather poor villain for most of the book. For me, it felt like she was treading water, waiting to get to book 6. A reread would probably cure a lot of that for me. That said, she nailed the angry teenage boy angle...not easy to write at all, and she did it.


I hated book 5 because Harry spent most of the book acting like an idiot. Granted, he's a teenager, but that doesn't make it enjoyable, especially when you figure out pretty early what is happening. Also, I thought the payoff at the end was somewhat weak. Granted Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Dumbledore's Army
was pretty cool, but the relevation at the end was kinda like, "That's it?" I do agree with you that it seems to be pure setup mostly for book 6, which has the impact expected.

Jason
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post #16 of 496
1/6/06 at 8:20am
I just hope they remember that Fred and George [my favorite secondary characters] really get to strut their stuff in this one, as far as causing trouble.

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The fireworks scene, after Dumbledore leaves temporarily, is one of my all time favorites of the antics of the Weasley twins.


As for the angst angle that some people are talking about, well, who here DID NOT go through that as a teenager? I think that is what appeals to Daniel Radcliffe for the role, the chance to challenge himself as a performer and maybe take the chance that he will NOT be likable.

If Harry were always the goody two shoes, who never got angry, had girl troubles or anything else, he would not be the character that many Potter fans like so well. I personally like the character BECAUSE he is flawed, and taking his lumps as he is learning.
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post #17 of 496
1/6/06 at 12:05pm
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A director/cinematopher team that will succeed in conveying the oppressive and paranoid atmosphere of the book.
As long as they don't make it yet another year of grey and dreary atmosphere. Two movies of that has been more than enough.
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post #18 of 496
1/6/06 at 12:11pm
So, like, what are the rules for the thread? I'm tired of trying to post in Potter threads and have people who aren't reading the books start screaming. Is this a thread that assumes we haven't read past Book5, or that assumes we haven't even read Book5, or what?


A mod can clarify but since this a Harry Potter discussion about an unreleased film then I believe the standard rules apply- anything releated OotP or later books must be specifically spoiler marked.
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post #19 of 496
1/6/06 at 12:41pm
IMHO, HPATOOTP is by far the weakest book in the series so far. I think it could be trimmed by about a third without any real loss. Hopefully a stern pruning job such as was done with Goblet will be done with Phoenix.

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It'll be a big year for Potter fans. The last book should be out right around that time as well I think.


I wouldn't bank on it.

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As long as they don't make it yet another year of grey and dreary atmosphere. Two movies of that has been more than enough.
Um, Adam, that's what the books are like - they get bleaker as the series progresses.
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post #20 of 496
1/6/06 at 2:01pm
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Um, Adam, that's what the books are like - they get bleaker as the series progresses.
Emotionally. But that doesn't mean the world has to LOOK monotonously grey and dreary for the remainder of the films. Surely, even in Scotland the sun shines occassionally.
In fact using a bright and sunny look as an ironic contrast to the world of danger would be a much more interesting choice; almost a visual metaphor for Fudge's smiles and self-delusion as evil slowly gains strength.

(I won't go into more detail about OOTP until an admin clarifies the rules for this thread. I would suggest, however, that it is quite difficult to discuss the particulars without atleast dipping into the plot of the book the movie is based upon.
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post #21 of 496
1/6/06 at 2:44pm
It is the thread originator's prerogative to decide whether spoilers are allowed or not. The GoF thread certainly allowed spoilers, the problem was that it contained unprotected spoilers about later books as well.

I suggest spoilers be allowed.

Chuck, Imelda Staunton definitely looks the part (tho my version of Umbridge would be younger). One thing they've certainly nailed in this franchise is the casting. Here is hoping they get the character right as well.

And for the love of all that is good and holy, would a kind soul please give Michael Gambon some friggin Valium before his scenes.

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H
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post #22 of 496
1/6/06 at 4:04pm
This book will have to redeem itself for some of the fans reactions to Goblet of Fire. Granted this was a long book, they need to fit in some stuff that got left out of the end of the 4th book and then bring in a lot in the 5th. I really liked the 5th book and I think they will have to make this one longer than the others.

That whole Umbridge plot is hillarious I can't wait to see what they do with her as a character. Her sitting in on the other classes and interjecting herself is the best part of the book. And the whole Cho subplot will be great to watch.
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post #23 of 496
1/6/06 at 4:38pm
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I started this thread...and haven't read the book. I don't mind people wanting to discuss events..So long as they are in spoiler tags.
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post #24 of 496
1/6/06 at 6:19pm
That seems fair. If people want to post spoilers about later books to clarify a point, I'd suggest putting in a backet before hand (ie. [HBP Spoiler])
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post #25 of 496
1/6/06 at 7:31pm
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And for the love of all that is good and holy, would a kind soul please give Michael Gambon some friggin Valium before his scenes.

A-freaking-men!
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post #26 of 496
1/6/06 at 8:01pm
I will third the thoughts on Michael Gambon. That guy needs some serious help. Granted Richard Harris is a tough act to follow, but C'Mon, enough with the over-acting. Doubledore is much more subtle in the books.

As for the OotP, I'm stoked to see how they do it. The book is rich in plot, and probably the slowest and most detailed of the books. I also agree with the above comment that this will be Radcliffe's time to shine, as Harry really deals with some serious issues in this book.

It will be the hardest movie to make, but if done right, should do fine at the box office.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I cannot wait to see Half Blood Prince on the big screen!

As long as they don't try to make these last movie's "kiddie" they will be OK. The books continue to get darker, and to do a good job with the movie's, they need to mirror this. I have much confidence after watching GOF.
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post #27 of 496
1/6/06 at 8:14pm
I will third the thoughts on Michael Gambon. That guy needs some serious help. Granted Richard Harris is a tough act to follow, but C'Mon, enough with the over-acting. Doubledore is much more subtle in the books.


Considering Gambon's resume I'm guessing that the intensity comes from the director. Newell, in particular, since Gambon was much more subdued in Azkaban. While it wasn't the Dumbledore I have in my head, I have to admit I enjoyed the direction they took with the character in the GoF film.
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post #28 of 496
1/6/06 at 10:06pm
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As long as they don't try to make these last movie's "kiddie" they will be OK. The books continue to get darker, and to do a good job with the movie's, they need to mirror this. I have much confidence after watching GOF.

I'll be interested to see whether or not they tone down the Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Umbridge detention/torture scenes
It's one thing to read that, quite another see it visualized. I wonder what it will do to the rating?

This book has, imho, the best ending (GOF is a close, close second). Should be super cool if done right. IIRC, I remember reading that Elizabeth Hurley had been cast in the part of Bellatrix Black Lestrange... ?
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post #29 of 496
1/6/06 at 10:19pm
David,
Regarding the detention scenes, while the emotions of that scene are intense and the idea of it is revolting, it's not particularly graphic visually in nature.
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post #30 of 496
1/6/06 at 11:18pm
The last 30-45 minutes of this movie will probably kick some serious ass.

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Harry, some of the Army, and the Order of the Phoenix, battle Lord Voldemort's minions in the Ministry of Magic. That was one fantastic scene to read, especially the end when Sirius dies


Elizabeth Hurley would be an interesting choice for Bellatrix Black Lestrange. The first one that came to mind for me was Kate Beckinsale. Why, I don't know.
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