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post #151 of 403
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Yeah, I watched it, although I swear there were more commercials than content. The HBO First Look link from above is also really excellent, particularly the part about Mann having Colin go on a simulated drug run without Colin being told it was simulated!

Is it me, or is there not that much interview material for this film? I really enjoy reading interviews with Mann (everything that comes out of his mouth, it sounds like he's been thinking about it for 5 years), but I haven't been able to come across more than the EW and DarkHorizons articles.

Regards,
Nathan
post #152 of 403

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My newspaper today has an ad for Miami Vice with a long quote from Poland and none from any other critics. Bad?

~T
post #153 of 403

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It was interesting to watch "Brother's Keeper" in HD and a wide aspect ratio, zoomed-in of course. Althought I haven't seen the DVD transfers, the picture quality even though a tad dark was very good and I wasn't that distracted by the zoomed-in AR.

On my SDTivo the "making of" stuff was letterboxed and Brother's Keeper was in the original AR.

I was reminded just how intense this show was. Good stuff.

Peace,

DM
post #154 of 403

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so who's gonna watch it on opening day?
post #155 of 403

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I've made plans to see it opening weekend. Can't make opening day because I'll be a single dad that evening. If it weren't for that...it'd be opening day for certain.
post #156 of 403

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Im hoping to get there opening day,right out of work to the movie theater.If not Ill go first showing sunday morning.
post #157 of 403
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I'll be walking (running) over to Grauman's Chinese right after work (assuming it's showing there of course).

Regards,
Nathan
post #158 of 403

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I intend to see it opening weekend assuming it hasn't been dubbed into spanish for release in S.America.
post #159 of 403

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I'm going as soon as I get out of class Friday. Really excited for this one, especially after watching "Heat" again the other day.
post #160 of 403

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I'll be walking (running) over to Grauman's Chinese right after work (assuming it's showing there of course).

I don't think I saw that theater nor Mann Village listed in yesterday's LA Times ad. Best one was Arclight. Some theaters will have a Thursday midnight showing.

Anyone know if there exists different cuts? IMDB had this movie as being 146 minutes but now its 128 minutes.

~T
post #161 of 403

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The print I saw today at the Boston Press screening was 133 minutes.

As for the film itself, I loved it. The story is pretty routine, but Mann and the solid ensemble cast he assembled makes it work and work really well. Farrell and Foxx make for good team, and the relationships the duo has (with Gong Li and Naomie Harris, respectively) provide the film with its heart. And the action scenes are excellent.

If I have one small quibble it would be that I wish Mann had used something other than HD cameras (or at least better ones) to shoot the film. Some of it looks okay, some of it feels like a home movie (albeit an expensive one).

This is my favorite film of the summer so far. Nice to see a tough shoot 'em up made with adults in mind. I knew Mann wouldn't let me down.
post #162 of 403

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Hard to believe this is only Mann's 6th movie to direct since 1992. No doubt it should be entertaining.

From all I've seen it looks to be a newer, hipper, fresher version of the Lethal Weapon Films (Which I loved).

This has been a great summer, but MV is a completely different kind of movie than all the other hits this summer. I think it will find an audience, and do quite nicely at the BO.

JC
post #163 of 403

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If I have one small quibble it would be that I wish Mann had used something other than HD cameras (or at least better ones) to shoot the film. Some of it looks okay, some of it feels like a home movie (albeit an expensive one).

I'm certainly not a fan of the "DV" look, which a lot of independent films favour for budgetary reasons, however I'm in love with what Mann and DP Dion Beebe have accomplished using the Viper camera with Collateral and now Miami Vice.
While other film makers have gotten extremely film-like images from HD cameras (Like Superman Returns), Mann has chosen to use the medium to achieve a certain hyper-realistic quality that makes you feel like your actually in those environments. The night photography in Collateral really sold it for me. Sure it laked the polished sheen of Attack of the Clones, but it was the first time I had seen a city look so alive, like I was a part of it. Because they didn't have to over-light everything, you didn't have the usual night-time movie cliches like the wet streets, or mysterious light sources. It just looked real, but at the same time had beautiful framing and compositions, which set it apart from something that would resemble a documentary.
From the previews I've seen of Vice, it looks like he's really pushing the limits of what can be accomplish in the medium. It's just a small moment, but I just love the quick shot from the trailer of Colin Farrell walking outside of a police station while a flash of lightning can be seen going off in the distance. I can't wait to see 133 minutes of that type of stuff.
post #164 of 403

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I'm incredibly excited about this movie. Mann is near the top of my favorite directors and word on this one sounds incredible. There have been a couple of great articles about the Miami Vice shoot (the latest EW and an article in Slate come to mind) and Mann's drive really sounds a lot like Jim Cameron- it can alienate some while creating loyalty in others, but the results are almost always there on the screen.
post #165 of 403

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mann is great only if he tackles cops+robbers and sticks to it. i didn't like his non cops+robbers stuff like mohicans, ali, manhunter, etc.
post #166 of 403

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mann is great only if he tackles cops+robbers and sticks to it. i didn't like his non cops+robbers stuff like mohicans, ali, manhunter, etc.

I'll give you Last of the Mohicans, but I enjoyed both Ali and Manhunter. The latter fits pretty well in the cops and robbers genre as well.
post #167 of 403

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not so much in manhunter cause it was more psychological... like silence of lambs was... but manhunter didn't succeed, imho.
post #168 of 403

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Originally Posted by YiFeng
mann is great only if he tackles cops+robbers and sticks to it. i didn't like his non cops+robbers stuff like mohicans, ali, manhunter, etc.

What about the Insider? That's my personal favorite of his, I hope in the future he does another drama film like that, because the Insider was incredible, IMO.
post #169 of 403

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i've never seen ali because i don't like biopics, but i absolutely love mohicans, insider, and manhunter...

i find mann's visual and narrative sensibilities remain pretty consistent across genres, so it's mildly surprising to see that someone would make these kind of distinctions.
post #170 of 403

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insider is OK like mohican, ali, etc. but it is no HEAT! =). he's a cops+robbers guy, but suffers when it comes anything else.
post #171 of 403

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Well, tastes differ. I don't think Heat is his best film by far.
post #172 of 403

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Insider, Mohicans, and Heat were all great. I didn't care for Ali, but think based on Heat, MV will be very well done.

JC
post #173 of 403
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I don't think I saw that theater nor Mann Village listed in yesterday's LA Times ad. Best one was Arclight.

Thi Them, do you remember if they said it'd be at the Dome? I can't imagine Universal not putting this in either Grauman's or the Dome. Interestingly, Grauman's is showing BTTF Part II instead (?!).

For my part, I think Heat, Insider, and Ali: DC are his masterpieces. The level of detail and thought he puts into his pictures make them intensely watchable, much like Kubrick's work, and his ability to communicate ideas, especially nonverbally, is pretty incredible. Moments like that early scene in Heat where DeNiro comes home at night and looks out the window at the ocean. Stuff like that kills me.

Regards,
Nathan
post #174 of 403

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Nathan, I'm pretty sure I'm the only "Thi" on this forum, no need to call me by my full name. The midnight showing will be on the regular screen, so it doesn't look like it'll be shown in the Dome. The premiere was at the Mann Village, so it looks like it could be shown there.

Ali was good but I think it's Mann's worst, and I never saw that Ali documentary or knew much about him. I like those Mann moments too, like when Pacino is on the beach talking on his cell phone in The Insider.

~T
post #175 of 403

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Ali is the only Mann film I didn't thoroughly enjoy, though I haven't seen the Director's Cut and I've never seen The Keep. Manhunter is one of my all time favorite movies and I like it even more than Silence of the Lambs.
post #176 of 403

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Mann Village won't be showing it. Right now, Grauman's doesn't have anything listed for the 28th.

~T
post #177 of 403

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James Bs review.....
http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/mo...iami_vice.html
post #178 of 403

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I caught a screening last night -- and unfortunately, came away disappointed.

It felt, frankly, like what you might expect from the various stories about the logistical nightmares of shooting, the constant re-writing on set, and so forth -- muddled and a mess; individual scenes worked fine, and there's some really nice moments, but no strong connection between any of them. That, combined with a lack of strong character development, meant I didn't really feel emotionally connected to much at all, beyond the cursory basics.

The Gong Li/Colin Farrell subplot was by far the most interesting, and while it flirted with being something great and poignant, it never really came together for me.

I'd still say see it if you're a Mann fan -- there are nuggets that you'll like, but it falls far short of HEAT or THE INSIDER or even COLLATERAL (which I enjoyed a great deal but don't quite consider a "great" Mann movie).
post #179 of 403

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If it is a letdown, I hope Poland is right about it being a better movie on the second viewing, something one can watch over and over, and how it'll age really well over time.

~T
post #180 of 403
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For me, Mann's films, more than any other director, need a second viewing to be fully appreciated. My first viewing for every single one of this films has always been the least rewarding- even though I usually like or love them on first viewing. My first Mann exposure was Heat, and it was also my first exposure to a drama film (I used to have poor, misguided tastes, and rented it assuming it was an action picture; thus began my good-movie-watching career). It wasn't until about 2 hours into the movie that I realized what Mann was going for, and why he chose to include all those aforementioned 'small moments' that make the film so great. Ali definitely didn't didn't do it for me on first viewing (in fact, at the time I thought it was his "worst" film), but I felt oddly drawn to see it again, and now I consider it one of his best, an exceptional film in every respect. The Insider was the easiest to digest on first viewing, but repeated viewings have revealed volumes that I didn't notice before. Same thing with Collateral, which I first watched somehow assuming that Tom Cruise was the main character, and therefore missing the whole point of the movie- Jamie Foxx's transformation. The only one of his films that still hasn't/doesn't completely kill me is Last...Mohicans, although those last 20 minutes always make me completely forget about any misgivings I might have had with the rest of the movie.

I think any film in which the filmmaker does something not quite expected will have trouble gaining fans on first viewing (particularly with Ali, which didn't even remotely try to be a summation of the famous athlete's life). Vice faces similar problems, in that viewers may be expecting a bang-up action film, a rehash, or a flashy exercise in stylistic fun, and thus they may not be looking for depth- which in Mann's films is often nonverbal (Will Smith sipping on a cup of coffee, a seconds-long scene that Mann felt was important enough to add back into the DC) or buried in subtlety (Crowe and Pacino meeting in ithe hotel room in Insider), and may therefore be be doubly unnoticed. Films of this complexity, by any director, are my favorite type of movie, precisely because of how much they reveal on repeat viewings. With the Aviator, for example, I was so blown away by the acting and story, that I didn't even notice the tremendous photography and editing until later.

Chris Harvey, none of this is directed at your review- I haven't read your post yet, I'm staying away from reviews until I see the film

Regards,
Nathan
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