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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
Can someone answer a question for me? After the departure of Landau and Bain, the producers tried a lot of name actresses onscreen to fill in Cinnamon Carter's place. Among them were Anne Francis, Barbara Luna and mostly Lee Meriwether, who played "Tracey" in eight episodes in the fourth year. I've always wondered why Ms. Meriwether wasn't chosen as a full-time cast member- was it a question of money? Considering she had already made a name for herself in TV, her name value would've helped in the long run, as opposed to Season Five's Lesley Ann Warren (nothing against Ms. Warren, but I felt she seemed too young to play an IMF agent- on the other hand Lynda Day George was only two years older and yet she seemed far more worldly and sophisticated, making her a better Bain replacement on the show).

So, does anyone why the producers (and CBS) chose Ms. Warren over Lee Meriwether?

The best answer is "timing". Martin Landau's request for a raise only happened because of his year-to-year status. He was initially hired for the pilot as a guest actor, but his popularity propelled him to near-regular status throughout the first season. Had the powers that be hired him initially as a regular, a lot of the year-four negotiations could have been avoided, and Landau and Bain probably would have continued through the series run.

Landua's request for $11,000 per episode would have put his salary higher than Peter Graves' $7000, which couldn't be because of Graves' favored nation status. That is, he had to paid at least what anyone else was getting since he was the "star". In addition Landau wanted a raise to $12,500 for year five. CBS was willing to pay the extra for Landau, but wouldn't add to Graves' salary, so the negotiations broke down. The powers that be also offered Landau a chance to do a reduced number of shows, but he didn't want to participate in a "planned exit."

Barbara Bain hadn't been fired for year four, but everyone associated with the show figured that if her husband was out, she'd walk too. After a confusion over dates to report for wardrobe for the season four opener at which Bain was nowhere to be found, basically the plug was pulled and she needed to be replaced for the role. Lee Meriwether was everyone's choice, except producer Stanley Kallis who had separately negotiated for Dina Merrill to take the role. Geller wasn't specifically told he HAD to use Merrill, but he didn't want to upset the apple cart, so he used Dina Merrill. Lee Meriwether was then put on a show-to-show basis throughout season four, making her another victim of poor timing.

When season five rolled around, Geller was out and new producer Bruce Lansbury wanted a fresher, younger look to the show, so he went with Leslie Ann Warren instead of Lee Meriwether, adding Sam Elliott to the roster as a physician character.

So basically, it all stems from the bad timing of not hiring Landau as a series regular initially, and the bad timing surrounding he and his wife's exits from the show that resulted in the haphazard casting in later years.

Personally, I liked the fact that the show used different characters from week to week, as it made for a more realistic scenario of assembling a different team each week.

Lee Meriwether was liked on the set though. The other regulars liked working with her and thought she was an asset to the show, classy and elegant in the same vein as Barbara Bain. And she too was thrilled with the show, enjoying the chance to play a different part each time. But it just wasn't to be.

This info was all gleaned from the book THE COMPLETE MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE DOSSIER by Patrick J. White. Naturally, there was a lot of "he said, she said" going on around the situation of Landau and Bain, and even after all these years, the story is different depending on who one talks to.

Harry
post #242 of 383

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Sounds like it would be an interesting read, thanks Harry for the info. As much a Trek fan as i am, i cant do season 4 of Mission, because Nimoy was, IMO so bad as Paris he killed the show for me. Season 5 may be good, i dont know, because i could never make it past season 4. The last time i saw the show was when FX ran it about 10 years ago. I really love season 1-3, just like i did when it was on FX. No i love it more, cause it looks better, and it is not cut. I know i have not seen, or i dont remember anything about the show past season 4. Thanks Nimoy!
post #243 of 383

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I have to agree about Leonard Nimoy and it is as much due to his presence as with the Landau's absence that I've pulled the plug with S3. IMO Nimoy seriously overplayed his role in M:I, damaging the show's integrity. And it certainly didn't help that head writers Woodfield and Balter had fled in S3 over a silly flap rousted by Bruce Geller.
post #244 of 383

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I bailed out on the show originally after season 3 so I don't think I've ever really seen any of the episodes. I look forward to watching them after all these years to see if they are really bad or if it was just a reaction to Landau and Bain leaving. I hope not too many people abandon the series as I would like to see it released to conclusion. I don't really care if they do the 80s series though because A) I have them all from ABC anyway and B) the writing was bad and the show was dumbed down to a great degree.
post #245 of 383

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B) the writing was bad and the show was dumbed down to a great degree.

I've often heard that but never witnessed it myself as I never tuned in. I know that Patrick White's book mentioned by Harry reveals that alot of inane dialogue "filler" was often used by the IMF agents during the missions ("Everything's going according to plan", "He's almost inside the gate", "Just a few seconds more", "We're closing in"). I don't think I could stand it. What makes the original so great is that the characters don't have to reveal what the viewer can readily see for himself.
post #246 of 383

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Season 4 is terribly erratic due to some uneven pacing, the lack of a decent Barbara Bain replacement (Lee Meriweather comes close but never quite makes it) and way too many eastern bloc prison episodes.

Season 5 howerver has some of Mission's better episodes (most notably "The Killer"), an added sense of energy courtesy of new producer Bruce Lansbury, and is overall a little more satisfying. As Patrick White has written however, Sam Eliot is completely useless as Doug Robert and whose idea was it to update the theme tune?
post #247 of 383

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Season 4 is terribly erratic due to some uneven pacing, the lack of a decent Barbara Bain replacement (Lee Meriweather comes close but never quite makes it) and way too many eastern bloc prison episodes.

Season 5 howerver has some of Mission's better episodes (most notably "The Killer"), an added sense of energy courtesy of new producer Bruce Lansbury, and is overall a little more satisfying. As Patrick White has written however, Sam Eliot is completely useless as Doug Robert and whose idea was it to update the theme tune?

I got to watch some of s4 and s5 of MI recently because are local oldies station kcoe 56 was showing MI in the afternoons in there summer/fall line up. At first in s4 nimoy's paris character was to be a more famboyant version of Landau's rollin hand (top hat and cape and all) . Nimoy didnt pull it off because his acting came off as hambone and over the top (landu was and still is a better actor than Nimoy). When producers tone down Paris character (mid s4 more into nimoys acting range) the season got better and I enjoy watching IM during the paris years, but it really dependent on the capper the team was pulling off whether or not episode was good or not. Im probelly in the minority feeling barbara bains leaving IM wasnt that much of loss, there only a small handful of episodes were she stood out , but landu's character Rollin was my favorite and I think the show suffered with his leaving. So MI s1 - s3 are my favoritys but I still find the paris years watchable if the producers/writers generated interesting stories .
post #248 of 383

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Thanks for the info, Harry! So the real villains were TPTB at Paramount- now I understand the infamous acceptance speech Barbara Bain gave at the 1969 Emmys in which she hinted why she was no longer on the show. (it's on You Tube, BTW) At least Lee Meriwether finally got lucky with Barnaby Jones a few years later, and she's still a knockout today- one of the few actresses who let her hair go white without a whimper. (The fact that she's a former Miss America certainly helps!) It's nice to know that she was appreciated by the network brass, but I wonder why after the debacle of the Warren/Elliott casting Lee wasn't contacted again.

The way the whole Landau situation was handled is just like the whole mess with Suzanne Somers at Three's Company a decade later: like Landau, Suzanne wanted a big raise, even if it meant getting more than John Ritter, who was unquestionably the star of the show. Things were never the same for that show after Suzanne left, the same way Mission: Impossible began to lose its magic after Landau and Bain left. Didn't CBS & Paramount realize that in losing Landau, they'd lose Bain two? Considering what a ratings hit the show was at the time, Landau (and Graves) was worth the extra cash.
post #249 of 383

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
Thanks for the info, Harry! So the real villains were TPTB at Paramount- now I understand the infamous acceptance speech Barbara Bain gave at the 1969 Emmys in which she hinted why she was no longer on the show. (it's on You Tube, BTW) At least Lee Meriwether finally got lucky with Barnaby Jones a few years later, and she's still a knockout today- one of the few actresses who let her hair go white without a whimper. (The fact that she's a former Miss America certainly helps!) It's nice to know that she was appreciated by the network brass, but I wonder why after the debacle of the Warren/Elliott casting Lee wasn't contacted again.

The way the whole Landau situation was handled is just like the whole mess with Suzanne Somers at Three's Company a decade later: like Landau, Suzanne wanted a big raise, even if it meant getting more than John Ritter, who was unquestionably the star of the show. Things were never the same for that show after Suzanne left, the same way Mission: Impossible began to lose its magic after Landau and Bain left. Didn't CBS & Paramount realize that in losing Landau, they'd lose Bain two? Considering what a ratings hit the show was at the time, Landau (and Graves) was worth the extra cash.

It could've been argued in the Steven Hill Year that Landau was indeed the Star of the show as many episodes centered around him. Once Graves shows up it's obvious that Graves was in the Plots more than Hill was, they wanted the Leader of the team more involved, which sort of Shoved Landau aside somewhat. So when He wanted "Star" money they figured they had their Star in Graves and could let the Laundau's walk. I don't know if the Show lost it's Magic, but they started oning Down on the "Made Up Foriegn Country" Stories and shifted into a more conventional criminal.
post #250 of 383

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I had always heard that Landau merely wanted to get paid the same as Peter Graves. During the first season Landau was the main character of the show. Hill didn't work from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday which put the production in a bit of a bind.

The problem with the Nimoy years is Peter Graves. Graves is as stiff as Nimoy is hammy. The two together are fatal. Landau was able to be a little bit more character friendly. You could imagine Landau could go undercover. But at least there's Lupus and Morris doing the heavy work. The real star of the series was Morris. He's the reason I watch the post-Landau episodes.
post #251 of 383

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Gee, there's not much love here for Nimoy's work on MISSION:IMPOSSIBLE.

I never had a problem with it and in fact enjoyed his work on the show, where he was given a chance to do more "acting" rather than being the ever-stoic Mr. Spock.

I stayed with the series until it left the air, and though I recognize that the quality of the scripts suffered a bit in the latter years, it was still head and shoulders above most of what passes for TV today.

So I'll be among those in line for the release dates of the remaining seasons as they become available.

Harry
post #252 of 383

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Hey Im not saying Nimoy is a horrible actor, he's not a great actor (geee who has the Oscar? and more oscar and emmy nominations,... Landau). Landau just is simple the better actor and Rollin Hand was simplely more likeable/fan loved character and some fans never cared for the IM after he left. All things consider Nimoy did best he could in what was really in a lose lose situation when he came in as paris and it didnt help that the directors/producers devised a charactor that made him look weaker as actor then he really was, which was bummer for Nimoy.
post #253 of 383

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Nimoy is not an over the top actor, and the part of Paris required it. IMO anyway.
post #254 of 383

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I just finished Season 3 today and I really got into it, more so than the first 2 seasons. Not saying it was better, just got caught up in the stories more this time. There wasn't one episode that I didn't like but I thought "The Contender" would have worked just as well as one episode instead of 2. My favourite episodes are "The Execution","The Exchange", "Bunker, Parts 1 & 2" and "Glass Cage".

The only thing I didn't like about the show was Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
one of the Villains ending up getting shot by another Villain at the end of more than one episode, got kind of repetitive.
I'm very much looking forward to Season 4 but I will miss Bain and Laundau a lot, I loved that scene in "Heir Apparent" where Rollin slowly removed his disguise in the church without anyone seeing. Their performances were excellent. I am worried about Nimoy and his character next season, I don't think I have ever seen it before but as long as the stories remain good, I'm sure I will enjoy it.
post #255 of 383

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Looking forward to two S1's apparent high water mark entries: "Action!" and "The Train". And of course, S2!

Just watched 'The Train' from the first season, and totally agree...FANTASTIC episode!
post #256 of 383

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what gets me watching Mission Impossible is how many times they merely shot outside soundstages and offices at the studio. They really knew how to keep the production budget low.
post #257 of 383

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I currently own the first season of Mission: Impossible on DVD, and much of season two on VHS. I will probably be getting only the first three seasons of the series, but this has more to do with the weaker scripts mentioned above, and nothing to do with Nimoy's acting. I did like some of the latter cast, however. But like some have said, I too will miss Landau and Bain. Not having them in the series does make a difference.
post #258 of 383

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I still want the new Mission Impossible tv series.
post #259 of 383

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Mission: Impossible Season Four was just released here in the UK today, it's on its way to me in the post right now. Can't wait to check it out.

I really like Martin Landau, I think he's a terrific actor so I am going to be interested in how this season plays out.
post #260 of 383

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Mission: Impossible Season Four was just released here in the UK today, it's on its way to me in the post right now. Can't wait to check it out.

I really like Martin Landau, I think he's a terrific actor so I am going to be interested in how this season plays out.

Cept Landau and Barbra Bain left after season 3.
post #261 of 383

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That's what I mean, I'm going to be interested in how it plays out without him.

I can't remember ever seeing a Leonard Nimoy episode before.
post #262 of 383

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That's what I mean, I'm going to be interested in how it plays out without him.

I can't remember ever seeing a Leonard Nimoy episode before.

Ahh, gottcha! As i had written earlier in this thread, i never could make it through the Nimoy stuff, and i love Trek! I didnt even know he was on the show for 2 years until this thread. Never could get more than 6 or 7 episodes into the fourth season. Last time i saw any of these, before DVD, was about 10 years ago when FX! was running it. I have season 4 on my NetFlix to see how i feel now, and to show my wife a few Nimoy episodes.

I watch the first 3 seasons all the time. Love the Landau and Bain years!
post #263 of 383

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I'm really on the fence about S4 since, like most, I loved the "Landau/Bains" seasons. I remember the Nimoy episodes from their original runs but haven't seen hardly any of this show in syndication. The DVD releases are so cool!

The Nimoy episodes weren't bad, imo. It was a tough act to follow after S1-3.
post #264 of 383

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Nimoy had quite the task when replacing Landau at this point in the series.

I've heard quite a few bad things about season four but I'm still looking forward to it. It'll still be about a million times better than the Tom Cruise trilogy.
post #265 of 383

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I'm enjoying season 4. Nimoy does have a few fluid performances - especially the one where he fakes being an SS agent. The lack of a steady female agent takes things off balance. having seen all seven seasons thanks to RTN, I'm eager for the final three seasons to come out on DVD (which should be completed next year at this pace).
post #266 of 383

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Last year, I watched all 171 episodes, and there really are very few clunkers in the bunch. Once you buy into the formula (and few series were as formulaic as M:I), it's pretty entertaining, and even the episode where the IMF convinces Steve Forrest that they're aliens from outer space (!) is great fun. I don't mind Nimoy at all. I'll agree that he isn't as good as Landau, but you also must consider that Landau generally had better scripts and better "characters" to play.

I hope all seven seasons hit DVD, because the existing shows in reruns don't look very good at all.
post #267 of 383

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I'm enjoying how in season 4 that things didn't go so smoothly on the missions.
post #268 of 383

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I'm enjoying how in season 4 that things didn't go so smoothly on the missions.

Cause they dont have Rollin and Cinnamon keeping them in line!
post #269 of 383

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I'm finding myself not enjoying the second season as much as the first. Perhaps it's because I had never seen a Stephen Hill episode before the release of the DVD, or maybe the writing dropped off slightly.

Well, only watched the first three shows from season 2...hopefully my enthusiasm will grow as I watch more.
post #270 of 383

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I purchased the first 3 seasons and enjoyed them but I think I'll be giving the rest a pass. I may change my mind at some point but there's too much else coming out at the moment. Just too hard to watch everything!
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