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post #91 of 115
9/30/05 at 7:29pm
Being a cynic, from what has been reported:

The 4-disc set will be re-released first. Those who don't bite will have another chance a month later for the 3-disc set at a substantially reduced price. This way you don't piss off the people who paid the higher bucks for the 4-discer. This re-releasing and price adjustment is done all the time...I get the impression a lot of people posting in SW threads don't buy any discs besides SW??
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post #92 of 115
10/1/05 at 1:31am
The music.....in the surround channels....is reversed.......yep.
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post #93 of 115
10/1/05 at 8:59am
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what were the audio problems you guys are talking about?


To add, there's also a huge inconsistency in audio quality throughout ANH. One line will be nice and crisp; the line after it hissy and full of static. You can also detect what sounds like fade sliders (or whatever the term) being adjusted on dialogue, as in the static or hiss in dialogue will fade out after a line is delivered, and the fading out is very apparent and noticeable. Probably not a good way of explaining it.
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post #94 of 115
10/2/05 at 2:26am
After reading about the issues with the audio problems
on ANH, I'm glad that I didn't buy the 4 disc set. I'm
one of those who refuse to buy into the altered versions
of the films. I'll just keep my THX faces laserdiscs, and
call it a day.
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post #95 of 115
10/2/05 at 2:56pm
I don't really see how this is a waste of money. It's just another chance for someone to get the trilogy that hasn't already. They are probably just giving it a new look while selling Ep. 3. Nothing to get upset about. Buy it if you want, or don't. Simple as that.
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post #96 of 115
10/2/05 at 3:16pm
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After reading about the issues with the audio problems, I'll just keep my THX faces laserdiscs


You can't be serious?

The LDs have a whole litany of problems in not noted here. Most of the problems of the DVDs noted are anal-retentive.

Watch (& listen) to the set yourself before making such a rash decision. The DVDs sound fine for the most part and BETTER than the LD versions. They look spectacular and the LDs look hopelessly murky by comparison.

Borrow a copy from a friend before not getting it on some 3rd party rantings. Everyone I know who has the set LOVES it and either doesn't notice the problems or DOESN'T CARE ENOUGH to hate it because of it. It's like not dating the loveliest, nicest girl because she has a couple zits. "Wow. She isn't PERFECT! I'm going to wait for the PERFECT woman!"
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post #97 of 115
10/2/05 at 3:46pm
While I enthusiastically agree with PeterTHX's assessment of the DVDs......

..... Don't be dissing my LaserDiscs, man!
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post #98 of 115
10/2/05 at 5:15pm
Peter, the Star Wars DVD is the most embarassing release of a major film on DVD. The picture varies wildly. Sometimes it is totally oversaturated while at other times it's black and white! On top of that, the audio problems are a complete disgrace. The dialouge track is hideous, the missing music is key and the messed-up music mix is unacceptable.

There have been plenty of other lower profile releases that get all of this right. It's funny that Fox and Lucasfilm could expend so much time and effort on this and come up way short.

It would be a great thing if Fox and Lucasfilm corrected the obvious errors on this movie with this release. All they really need to do is issue the movie with the re-mix done for the SE in 1997. Not a lot of effort is involved. As it is, one of the best movies ever made is represented by one of the worst DVDs ever made.
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post #99 of 115
10/2/05 at 5:54pm
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As it is, one of the best movies ever made is represented by one of the worst DVDs ever made.


Oh my, a loss of perspective in a SW thread? Hardly ever happens... One of the BEST movies??? I like them a lot, but to say "one of the best", that would have to be a very large group of other "best". And which movie are we talking of, the best of the SW may fit in the top 100 somewhere. Based on content and plot and acting and other trivialities, not someone's personal love of it. They're not perfect on DVD, but like I said: do the SW people EVER watch anything else? There are plenty worse offences committed regularly on movies that other people love, and that have some of those other trivial movie things. Yes, it's too bad Lucas et al didn't spend the time getting what they had better and right instead of changing things, but it's Lucas after all, and if you really think he's some kind of God then don't question it. It's good enough for now, and I doubt we'll see better until the HD releases. It's pretty cheap too, and will likely be even cheaper in a couple months. If you think your LDs are superior, then watch them...I have no doubt somebody thinks their VHS are superior too.
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post #100 of 115
10/2/05 at 6:01pm
Opinions vary, I think the DVD's are quite remarkable visually speaking, Lowry did a superb job IMO (and no, I don't find the color of the light sabers to be that inconsistant), I think the soundtrack is quite good as well ( and no, I don't notice the...*sigh*...rear surround music track reversal), all in all I think the technical work they did on the DVD set to be top notch.

Now the re-editing? That I have a big problem with but that is definitely for another thread.

Jeff D Han, if you aren't sure about the DVD's then I suggest you rent at least ANH and judge for yourself whether it is worth buying. You may like or despise it but make up your own mind on the DVD's because as I said, opinions definitely vary on this subject.
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post #101 of 115
10/2/05 at 6:35pm
The DVDs are fabulous for what they are... DVDs. No DVD ever looked exactly like a projected film because

it is physically impossible.

Celluloid and arc lamps create an effect that can only be impersonated by pixels and electricity. And something will always, always be lost in the translation. You'll have to live with that fact, I'm afraid, which I why I rush off to the theatre to see these films as many times as possible before they move on to video.

As for the 3-disc release... I never did pick up the 4-disc version, so I think this newer, cheaper version will make a great Christmas gift to my little brother, who doesn't watch the behind-the-scenes stuff much, anyway.
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post #102 of 115
10/2/05 at 6:43pm
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One line will be nice and crisp; the line after it hissy and full of static.

As was brought up when the set first came out--this is a source problem. In order to fix it, you'd have to ADR right now, and Peter Cushing is dead, and Carrie Fisher's voice dropped about 9 octaves in the meantime. You can hear the same problems on the laserdisc. The only possible fix would have been to make ALL the dialog as tinny and muffled as some of the select lines where they couldn't go back to the stems and pull more information out of them.

Plenty of other DVD's are much worse than the Star Wars Original Trilogy. There's no way this is the "worst" especially since quite a few reviewers, including one from this website, actually uses "The Empire Strikes Back" as a reference transfer. Not too many "Worst DVD's Ever" get across the boards awards for restoration and picture quality, even WITH the goofs and the odd color timing choices made at some instances.
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post #103 of 115
11/5/05 at 7:27pm
Borrow a copy from a friend before not getting it on some 3rd party rantings. Everyone I know who has the set LOVES it and either doesn't notice the problems or DOESN'T CARE ENOUGH to hate it because of it.


Yes, sound advice (no pun intended). If you're on the fence, borrow or rent the the set and judge for yourself.

The wife and I were so disappointed in the Ep.4 disc that we didn't buy the set. We could forgive "the too much blue" and color changing light sabers, but (in our opinion) William's wonderful score suffers greatly, with the audio special effects overpowering the score throughout the DVD's new 5.1 mix.
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post #104 of 115
11/5/05 at 8:43pm
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I don't really see how this is a waste of money. It's just another chance for someone to get the trilogy that hasn't already. They are probably just giving it a new look while selling Ep. 3. Nothing to get upset about. Buy it if you want, or don't. Simple as that.


Exactly
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post #105 of 115
12/9/05 at 7:02pm
So I see this set at Rogers today. I guess I have not been following the Star Wars threads.

What is the scoop on the 3-disc non-SE version? What is it like? Anybody?
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post #106 of 115
12/9/05 at 7:50pm
It's the same SE set from last year just in a different box and minus the bonus disc.
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post #107 of 115
12/9/05 at 8:10pm
IMO, if you don't want the bonus disc, the set is a good deal price-wise. I'd have bought it if I didn't already have the last one. I did notice, just in the short time I was in the DVD box section of WM, that quite a few people picked this up! Those marketers are not as dumb as we sometimes think...there are apparently quite a few people still SW-less...we sometimes forget we're not "typical"...
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post #108 of 115
12/9/05 at 8:17pm
If you know a little kid (or an adult who doesn't care about special features) that likes Star Wars, this would defintiely make a great gift. However, the documentary on the bonus disc is really top notch so if you're interested in how they made the original trilogy, you want to spend the extra money and get the set with the bonus disc.
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post #109 of 115
12/10/05 at 2:46pm
Oh. I thought maybe it was equivalent to either of the THX faces edition or the original version. So the video and audio for the film dvd's is identical to last years SW Special Edition dvd set? I have the widescreen set already, so I guess I'm ok for now.
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post #110 of 115
12/10/05 at 3:03pm
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Oh. I thought maybe it was equivalent to either of the THX faces edition or the original version.

Are you kidding? If that was the case, it would have caused big masses dancing around and opening champagne! When that day arrives, you wouldn’t have to ask!
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post #111 of 115
12/10/05 at 4:16pm
Do the discs come packaged in their own individual cases?
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post #112 of 115
4/30/06 at 11:01am

Re: Star Wars 3 disc set. Or, the biggest waste of money this year...

Does anyone know what the artwork on the individual keepcases looks like? I never did get to see whether or not they used the original poster art. Anyone have any pics?
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post #113 of 115
4/30/06 at 1:31pm

Re: Star Wars 3 disc set. Or, the biggest waste of money this year...

My guess is they look identical to the ones in the first set.
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post #114 of 115
4/30/06 at 2:19pm

Re: Star Wars 3 disc set. Or, the biggest waste of money this year...

I haven't seen them myself but I remember the reports when this set first came out. The discs in the newer box set are identical in every way, from the packaging to the disc art to the disc content.

Literally, the only difference is the box and the lack of Disc 4.
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post #115 of 115
4/30/06 at 2:57pm

Re: Star Wars 3 disc set. Or, the biggest waste of money this year...

I know that hardcore star wars are upset with the changes.. the star wars dvds look very nice.. never looked this good before. I have the VHS none se widescreen set on video.. it looks like a none enhanced dvd on my widescreen tv set.

Jacob
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