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post #151 of 260
6/8/06 at 5:28pm

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Unfortunately Nathan, it sounds precisely like the 563A firmware issue impacting Warner DVD-A titles. What's the date of manufacture of the player (on the back) and when did you buy it?
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post #152 of 260
6/10/06 at 6:38pm

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It was manufactured in July 2003. So how do I go about getting the firmware upgrade? Is it still available?
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post #153 of 260
6/11/06 at 6:35am

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Nathan:

I think spring 2004 is the cutoff: players manufactured before that date need the firmware update. Were you told by the previous owner that the player had the firmware upgrade already by virtue of when it was manufactured, or because that owner had it performed? If the former, I think you were misled.

Check out the "Pio DV-563A firmware fix" thread here:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...d.php?t=176281

And the "Pioneer DV-563A Review" thread here:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...d.php?t=134989

The bottom line, if I recall correctly from when these threads were really "hot," is that you need to either request a CD from Pioneer, take the player to an authorized service center or ship the player to Pioneer. I recall different guys were having differing experiences regarding whether the firmware upgrade could be performed while you wait if they took it to an authorized service center (it can) and whether Pioneer paid for both shipping the player to them and returning it to the owner if he chose that route (you should ask Pio to pay for both).

I'm curious: do you have either the Neil Young Greendale or Seal IV DVD-As?
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post #154 of 260
7/14/06 at 6:15pm

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Anyone found a lower price on this title?
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post #155 of 260
9/30/06 at 10:39am

The Two Towers is coming!

I thought others may want to know: The Two Towers is on its way Nov. 7!

http://www.howardshore.com/news/pres.../lotr-ttt.html
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post #156 of 260
9/30/06 at 3:06pm

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at thie rate ROTK is 2007 nov/dec=(
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post #157 of 260
10/1/06 at 1:30pm

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Followed by the theatrical release of "The Hobbit" in Dec. 2008! ? !
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post #158 of 260
10/2/06 at 7:06am

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Followed by the theatrical release of "The Hobbit" in Dec. 2008! ? !
More likely late 2008 will see HD-DVD and/or BluRay releases of the trilogy.
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post #159 of 260
10/2/06 at 9:10am

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Originally Posted by Craig S
More likely late 2008 will see HD-DVD and/or BluRay releases of the trilogy.


That would be fine, if only they'd release the EEs in HD--I haven't watched the theatricals for years.

Back OT, I read that this score wil contain Eowyn's dirge and lament for her cousin Theodred, but Andy Serkis's "rock and pool" fish catching song is not on there.
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post #160 of 260
10/3/06 at 12:16pm

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Track listing courtesy of Doug Adams:

Disc One
1. Glamdring
2. Elven Rope
3. Lost In Emyn Muil
4. My Precious
5. Ugluks Warriors
6. The Three Hunters
7. The Banishment Of Eomer
8. Night Camp
9. The Plains Of Rohan
10. Fangorn
11. The Dead Marshes
12. Wraiths On Wings
13. Gandalf The White
14. The Dreams Of Trees
15. The Heir Of Numenor
16. Ent-draught

Disc Two
1. Edoras
2. The Court Of Meduseld
3. Theoden King
4. The Kings Decision
5. Exodus From Edoras
6. The Forests Of Ithilien
7. One Of The Dunedain
8. The Wolves Of Isengard
9. Refuge At Helms Deep
10.: The Voice Of Saruman
11. Arwens Fate
12. The Story Foretold
13. Sons Of The Steward
14. Rock And Pool
15. Faramirs Good Council

Disc Three
1. Aragorns Return
2. War Is Upon Us
3. Where Is The Horse And The Rider?
4. The Host Of The Eldar
5.: The Battle Of The Hornburg
6. The Breach Of The Deeping Wall
7. The Entmoot Decides
8. Retreat
9. Master Peregrins Plan
10. The Last March Of The Ents
11. The Nazgul Attack
12. Theoden Rides Forth
13. The Tales That Really Matter
14. Long Ways To Go Yet

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Originally Posted by PattyFraser
Back OT, I read that this score wil contain Eowyn's dirge and lament for her cousin Theodred, but Andy Serkis's "rock and pool" fish catching song is not on there.

Fantastic news!

With the exception of Ian McKellen and possibly Viggo Mortensen, the vocals on Fellowship were an incongruous addition.
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post #161 of 260
10/3/06 at 12:55pm

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i hope it's not as "soft" as FOTR.
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post #162 of 260
10/3/06 at 8:28pm
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Great news!

Amazon has it up, but with no discount at all, yet: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IZJZIK/ (and for whatever reason the MSRP is twenty dollars higher than FOTR 4-disc set...).
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post #163 of 260
10/3/06 at 9:35pm

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whoa. isn't that more expensive then FOTR's complete score? i thought i bought the FOTR score for around 30ish.
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post #164 of 260
10/4/06 at 4:26am

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Originally Posted by PaulP
Great news!

Amazon has it up, but with no discount at all, yet: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IZJZIK/ (and for whatever reason the MSRP is twenty dollars higher than FOTR 4-disc set...).
A higher MSRP tends to indicate that they expect to sell less of these than they did FOTR. Pricing is based on projected sales since the media cost is minimal (although mastering costs do vary). This does not bode well for ROTK as sales tend to drop off over the years.

And according to Amazon, FOTR was retail $60, TTT is $75, a $15 increase.

I paid $42 for my FOTR set from CD Universe. In fact, they have TTT for $53 pre-order.
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post #165 of 260
10/4/06 at 3:12pm

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Originally Posted by Dan Szwarc
I paid $42 for my FOTR set from CD Universe. In fact, they have TTT for $53 pre-order.

Right, which at CD Universe would drop it to $43 if you use Google Checkout for an instant $10 off $30. $43 is much more appealing than $75. Screw Amazon. I think I picked up the first set for about $40, so with the coupon it is not too bad at CDU.
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post #166 of 260
10/7/06 at 2:53pm
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Problem is Amazon hasn't applied their usual 30% discount on the item.
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post #167 of 260
10/7/06 at 6:33pm

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i'm waiting until it drops to 30.
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post #168 of 260
10/9/06 at 6:03pm

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey R
Right, which at CD Universe would drop it to $43 if you use Google Checkout for an instant $10 off $30. $43 is much more appealing than $75. Screw Amazon. I think I picked up the first set for about $40, so with the coupon it is not too bad at CDU.

Dan and Jeffrey, thanks for the heads up. I signed up for Google Checkout and ordered it from CD Universe. Great deal! Listened to my FOTR DVD-A today and can't wait to hear TTT.

Mark
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post #169 of 260
10/15/06 at 12:41pm

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I'm still a little annoyed that part of the reason the price is so high is the inclusion of the (for me unneccessary/unwanted) CDs.
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post #170 of 260
10/15/06 at 4:33pm

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Originally Posted by Paul.S
I'm still a little annoyed that part of the reason the price is so high is the inclusion of the (for me unneccessary/unwanted) CDs.
I disagree that this is the reason they cost so much. The material to make CDs, DVD-As, etc. is insignificant compared to the cost of the mastering and packaging. They are priced to pay for that, not the discs themselves.

Besides, SOME people still listen to CDs since the whole DVD-A/Super Audio CD thing hasn't really taken off. "One Format to Rule Them All" would be nice. Same for HD.

PS: Amazon just dropped the price to $61. CD Universe + Google is still the best buy (mine's pre-ordered).
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post #171 of 260
10/15/06 at 7:35pm

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Setting aside how IMO the notion that the packaging contributes significantly to the circa $75 list prices of these sets doesn't even pass the giggle test, it follows from your position that the label is seeking to recoup more mastering and packaging costs in the combined set price than they would in the price of separate CD and DVD-A SKUs. The Warner "Deluxe" CD + DVD editions are (only) $6 more than the DVD-A by itself.

I'm one of those people who still listens to CDs, Dan. But that doesn't mean that I should have to pay for CDs just to get a DVD-A, or subsidize CD mastering costs in my purchase price when I just want DVD-A.

A price hiking contributing factor more significant than purported packaging costs is what the marketeers call "perceived value": consumers feel like they're getting more on multi-disc sets and are willing to pay more for them.

We can argue finer points back and forth ad nauseum, but the bottom line is that the discs together cost more than they would separately. It's the same nonsense that's behind Universal's "Combo" HD DVD/DVD releases, which have a higher list price than their stand alone HD DVDs (despite being in identical packaging and not representing any greater authoring expense: they're making both standard def and high def releases anyway).

It's regressive and stupid.
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post #172 of 260
10/16/06 at 7:36am

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I'm a little confused here. Am I to understand that these complete recordings were mainly a DVD-A release with the cd's as "bonus material"? I thought it was the other way around. I don't have a sourround sound system so the DVD-A would be useless to me. Thank God they decided to include the cds. Besides I can't play a DVD-A in my car or my portable cd player. Personally, I think the reason for the high prices is that they know the hard core fans will pay it. These sets should not be any more than $40 max.
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post #173 of 260
10/16/06 at 1:53pm

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Bob, surround is not the only reason to be interested in the DVD-A--the high rez stereo is a boon, too.

The genesis of the CDs' inclusion is Warner's concern about backwards compatibility. Their research apparently showed that including Dolby Digital and/or DTS on nearly all of their DVD-As was not enough to compete with hybrid SACDs' ability to be played in any CD player. So the label began, with select Seal and R.E.M. titles, to market "Deluxe Editions": CD + DVD packages that didn't highlight that the "DVD" was really a DVD-Audio disc, rather just "5.1 Surround Sound Music."

It was one of the final throes by one of the format's biggest supporters to keep DVD-A viable. It was not successful. The CDs' inclusion on "The Complete Recordings" is a legacy of that poor marketing decision.
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post #174 of 260
10/16/06 at 2:08pm

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Including CDs might help sell more. I probably wouldn't buy the DVD-A only version. I don't mind the cost. I had to wait 20 years to get the complete Star Wars Trilogy soundtracks. I'm happy to have the LOTR:FOTR and TTT and soon RTK soundtracks in much less time!

You can always ebay the CDs to help recoup some costs.
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post #175 of 260
10/16/06 at 2:20pm

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Including CDs might help sell more.

Illogical. It's at best counter-intuitive to posit that something that costs more will sell more units in this market.
I probably wouldn't buy the DVD-A only version.

So? If they were available separately we'd both be free to buy which format we wanted and not the other. Or both if one so chose. It's the robbing of the consumer of that choice that I have a big problem with.

You can always ebay the CDs to help recoup some costs.

I'd surmise that the pool of prospective buyers would shrink due to the absence of any sort of . . . . packaging.
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post #176 of 260
11/1/06 at 10:18am

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www.soundtrack.net will have a new podcast the coming days wich will feature the Two Towers CR. You can hear a preview here:

http://media20a.libsyn.com/podcasts/...odcast_019.mp3

also Barnes & Noble has some clips up:

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/sear...24437628&itm=1
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post #177 of 260
11/6/06 at 4:19am

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Tomorrow is the day of release. My preorder at CD Universe was in a month ago. I hope they ship today so I get it soon. Post any reviews here (I won't posta review since I lack the proper equipment to evaluate it. I use an iPod.)

Update: Mine shipped yesterday from CD Universe's Connecticut warehouse.
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post #178 of 260
11/8/06 at 4:41pm

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I rec'd an advance(?) copy of The Two Towers: The Complete Recordings. I question "advance," b/c I thought this had already been released, but I rec'd a test pressing. Hate when that happens

Bottom line - incredible! Highly recommended! Once again confirms my belief that these scores rank among the best in cinematic history.

Compared to Fellowship, the surrounds in Two Towers seem about 2-3db louder. Not a night and day difference, but I did notice it. There were some that felt Fellowship was a bit subtle in the surround department (I had no prob with it); perhaps those folks will be more pleased with the new release.

A wonderful, wonderful set!
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post #179 of 260
11/9/06 at 12:26am

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I would consider buying a dvd-a with a CD a good thing. And as far as cost is concerned, I bought Beck's latest album The Information for only 12 bucks on sale (and at a small mom-n-pop chain to boot) which includes a CD and a dvd with a video for EVERY track. So if the label wants to include a separate CD it obviously costs them pennies to do so.

And anyway, the only way to make a personal-use CD-R of a dvd-audio disc (most of them anyway) is to hook up the player's analog output to a burner. It's hassle enough with a standalone burner and really a hassle with a computer-based one. And I just would much rather have a proper "store bought" CD with nice graphics and knowing it would play in all players.

Rant over.
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post #180 of 260
11/9/06 at 4:22am

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Originally Posted by LanceJ
And anyway, the only way to make a personal-use CD-R of a dvd-audio disc (most of them anyway) is to hook up the player's analog output to a burner. It's hassle enough with a standalone burner and really a hassle with a computer-based one. And I just would much rather have a proper "store bought" CD with nice graphics and knowing it would play in all players.

Rant over.
That's a good point. If it only came on DVD-A, I would have to jump through hoops to rip the music into iTunes for my iPod for on-the-go listening. Because they bothered to include about $1.50 worth of CD's, I don't have to do that.

12 months to go for the last movie's soundtrack.
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