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post #151 of 159

Re: CSI: Season 6 ongoing thread

sigh. I remember when the show was about performing experiments with pigs. I remember being amazed when Nick Stokes suddenly developed a personality. Now it's just like a freaking soap opera.

I'm glad I bailed on CSI Miami. At least when CSI-Las Vegas had a personnel issue, blood wasn't likely to be spilled. Maybe a lack of interset in soap operas is why I like the New York stuff...
post #152 of 159

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Originally Posted by Charlie Campisi
There's been sexual tension between them for years. Are you saying you thought this was the first time they were together? They looked pretty comfortable like they'd been there many times before. What you described as flirting, in retrospect I think could be described as knowing looks between two people sharing a secret.
The cast was on one of the morning shows this morning and they were talking about it. They seemed to think it was something that had been going on and not the first time.
i liked the touch. About time they get some.
post #153 of 159

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I was watching one of the documentaries on the S2 set the other night, and one of the producers was talking about how they had set-up Grissom's advancing hearing loss very subtly and indirectly. They kept having scenes were someone would be talking to Grissom and their voices would seem muffled or distorted while he was concentrating on something, then suddenly break in loud and clear when they got his attention. At first it seem just like Grissom being Grissom with the sound being a way to dramatize how Grissom can tune out distractions when his mind if focused on something. (I tend to do this a lot, to the point where co-workers standing next to me need to shout to break in on my thoughts if I'm analyzing a problem.) But in retrospect it become clear that at least a lot of the time it was simply Grissom's hearing cutting in and out. Similarly a lot of the little "moments" that seemed like flirting or teasing or playing with the fact of Sara's crush on Grissom in the past few years might have been code signals between the two - hiding the relationship in plain sight.

Also saw one of the reruns on Spike tonight: At one point Sara, Grissom and Sofia are in the lab, discussing a bit of technology that improved over the years, and Grissom says, "You've come a long way..." Then looks at Sara (they are both standing behind Sofia, who is seated) and adds "...baby" Sara laughs. There's nothing else to the moment, and it could just be Grissom making a joke of an old advertising slogan. But in retrospect, it could also be a lot more.

It will be interesting to see if they reveal just when all this started.

Regards,

Joe
post #154 of 159

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
It will be interesting to see if they reveal just when all this started.
I think they've been dropping hints ever since Sara was brought in for the Holly Gribbs case. There was, in my mind, clearly something more than just a professional history evident in that scene in the second episode when Grissom was dropping dummies off the hotel roof.
post #155 of 159

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Oh, there's no question that Sara has been interested in Grissom since she was his student - as I noted above. But it was almost entirely one-sided for a very long time. That Grissom trusted Sara was evident from the fact that he brought her in from the outside to investigate Warrick's actions. That he probably had to push to keep her on (an experienced CSI from a major police department would command a higher salary than probationary CSI Gribbs, whom Sara effectively replaced) also suggests a personal interest in her. But Grissom was constrained - first by the teacher/mentor-student relationship, then by the supervisor-employee relationship, then by his own history of isolation and the difference in their ages. (Clearly played out in "Butterflied" where a young woman who looks strikingly like Sara is murdered by her older lover.) Catherine saw Sara's interest and also saw that Grissom wasn't going to do anything about it - and warned him that he had to deal with it one way or another. When Sara laid her cards on the table more directly, Grissom made it clear that he couldn't respond (and thereby necessarily revealed that he'd like to.)

But I don't believe for a second that there was a romantic relationship prior to Sara's arrival at CSI:LV, or at any time prior to "Butterflied" (and probably not for some time after that.)

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Now it's just like a freaking soap opera.

How does one scene in 6 years make it "a freaking soap opera"?

I love TV fans and the Chicken Little that lurks in the heart of all of them. Change one thing in a show, replace an actor, try something different and the reaction is always the same: "The Sky is Falling! We're Doomed! The Show Sucks!" Or (that most tiresome of TV cliches) - "It's officially J*U*M*P*E*D T*H*E S*H*A*R*K!!!!!"

Relax. The writers didn't all suddenly get lobotomized, and neither did producer William Peterson, who certainly knows what makes his show work.

Gradually, over many years, and in the margins of many episodes, we've come to learn a few things about our characters. So what? Did you want Dragnet where we never saw the character's home lives and neither they nor their relationships changed? Almost every TV show gradually evolves its characters. Professional acquaintances become friends and more over time because that's what happens in real life, too. You may start a job and be all business, but if you work someplace for 6 or 7 years you're going to witness birthdays, and weddings (even if you're not invited) and the birth of children and you're going to start liking some co-workers and disliking others. You're going to learn about them when you work long hours on projects and some you'll hang out with after work and on weekends, and some you won't know what town they live in 6 years into the job. That isn't soap opera. That's reality.

It isn't like the show is going to start focusing on the characters personal lives for 40 out of 44 minutes every week. But their personal lives have always been a part of the show: Grissom's mother and his hearing problems, Catherine's ex, her daughter, her relationship with Sam Braun, Nick's sexaul abuse, Sara's horrific childhood, Warrick's gambling problem (there in the pilot), Brass and Ellie. The fact that Grissom and Sara are in a relationship is just another one of those personal threads that has always been and will always be part of the background fabric of the show. And the fact that we're trying to figure out how long it has been going on is a tribute to how unobtrusively the writers have been in setting this up and presumably how careful they'll be in pursuing it.

Regards,

Joe
post #156 of 159

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
How does one scene in 6 years make it "a freaking soap opera"?

I love TV fans and the Chicken Little that lurks in the heart of all of them. Change one thing in a show, replace an actor, try something different and the reaction is always the same: "The Sky is Falling! We're Doomed! The Show Sucks!" Or (that most tiresome of TV cliches) - "It's officially J*U*M*P*E*D T*H*E S*H*A*R*K!!!!!"
To me, if you didn't focus a little bit on the personal lives of the characters, the characters (and thus show) would be much less interesting. You'd just have Beard Guy, Brunette Lady, Blonde Lady, Black Guy, White Guy, and Funny Guy instead of the charcters of Grissom, Sara, Catherine, Warrick, Nick, and Greg. They'd all be essentially the same person if they didn't have backstories or relationships.

As for 'jumping the shark', I couldn't agree more.
post #157 of 159

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For anyone who doesn't have the DVDs and wants to watch it again in light of more recent developments, Spike TV is running "Butterflied" as their 11 PM (ET) CSI rerun tonight. And, of course, they're running the 90 minute "Lady Heather's Box" in a two hour slot as part of Casino Cinema at 9 PM Eastern.

I think these are two of the best episodes of the series, even if I do find it painful to watch it in 4:3 and standard definition.

Regards,

Joe
post #158 of 159

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I could not possibly agree more with what you have said with your last few posts.

Fantastic.

post #159 of 159

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Yes, but CSI:LV has just enough on each character not to overdrown us in personal issues, or at least keep those on the backseat to the case stories. They sometimes throw some in, like Catherine's ex finally getting his, but usually just enough to show the characters are human but keep the focus on their jobs when at work. We rarely see them outside of work.
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