Veronica Mars Season 2 - Page 4

Alright...

I picked up Season 1 on DVD today so that I could start from the beginning because my wife and I felt somewhat lost.

I have tonight's ep taped (thought the preview online was cute).

At the urging of the folks on here...and my buddy Joel...I have decided to give it another shot.

That's funny, I thought the guy was saying "Sheriff", meaning Keith, and Keith was just ignoring him. Oh well, it'll be explained in due course.

Rob

Perhaps it's time to turn on the closed captions and review my ReplayTV recording...

Same here.



That's what it looks like to me. Obviously things aren't always as they seem, but Moran was a friend of Aaron's, and had performed the same stunt before. Now, the real question is who beat him to death and why.

Since the bus driver wasn't trying to commit suicide, and apparently wasn't an idiot, I doubt it. Moran performed a similar stunt in The Long Haul and walked away from it, so I'm guessing he hijacked the bus, drove it over the side, and escaped just like he did in the movie.

Or at least that's what Veronica thinks.

I still think Gia was the target, and the nasty smell Dick complained about has something to do with it.

The amazing thing about this episode is how jam-packed it was. I remember last season when she was working on Lynn Echolls' disappearance, the Lilly Kane murder, her mystery of the week, and her father's mystery of the week at the same time, but this episode had even more plots. It's like watching a plate spinner. And they still managed to give the Dandy Warhols a musical number!

I just hope this Casablancas plot going for a while -- they're all great characters. I love Mr. Casablancas running down the hall telling everyone to shred their documents, then running up to a helicopter that's warmed up and ready to go -- leaving Beaver standing there trying to figure out what the hell just happened.

Great ep last night.

Lots of stuff happened...and Veronica was particularly witty.

I KNOW! [/monicagellar]

This show packs SO much plot into every episode. There are enough storylines in this episode that would have taken most shows a whole season to plow through. Veronica gets taken in for questioning by Lamb about the death of Curly Moran. Logan and Duncan fight. Logan tells Duncan the real reason he's pissed is about Duncan abandoning him in his time of need. Veronica finds out about Logan and Kendall. Veronica actually confronts Logan about it! Wow. Meanwhile . . . Veronica learns that Curly Moran knew Aaron and worked with him and staged a stunt about a bus going off a cliff . . . and of course, while all this is going on, Veronica unravels a massive real estate fraud and takes down Big Dick Casablancas. And poor Beaver can't catch a break.

Whew. This show makes me dizzy. But I really loved this episode, particularly Logan and Duncan fighting and actually talking about what's going on with the weirdness between them, and most of all the scene of Veronica and Logan in his bedroom. She finally confronted him directly for once and didn't run away from the problem. She could have left a message on his voicemail telling him to watch his back, but instead she waltzed right into his bedroom.

Of course, we know that Casa Echolls has a big old security gate and it's a mystery how she got in through that gate, but I'll just imagine that there was a code and she knew it from dating him and he didn't bother to change it. Or something. And the real estate part of the MOTW was really implausible that Veronica could have uncovered the Sandpiper house of cards that easily, but okay, that's probably too confusing to get into much detail in a show that has NO time for exposition.

I love this show so much, and it just keeps getting better. I thought this episode ranked among the better ones from last season, which means it was mighty good. I can't wait to see where the go next. And that Alicia stuff was a big shock. Does *everybody* in this town have some major secret? Seems like it.

Well, Dick and Beaver are regulars this season...

Shirtless Logan again this week? You spoil me, Rob

Much better episode than the first two, and I really liked Big Dick not caring about the affair, and just trying to get his ass outta there as fast as possible.

I'm really intrigued with where the Alicia thing is going. At first I thought it was Wallace's father, but then I remembered that he's dead. Or is he?

Obviously Aaron didn't have anything to do with the bus thing because they'd never reveal their hand this early, but I'm really interested as to see where they're going to go with this.

Love Cassidy, and the fact that he can never catch a break. The scene where Dick Jr waved at his father and then Cassidy tried but was ignored was both sad and hilarious. I wonder how he's going to feel about Logan doing his stepmother?

Agreed on Beaver. I can't wait to see him just go ballistic over his dad's favoritism of his brother. Not to mention the fact that his "best friend" is sleeping with his stepmom. I too am growing to love the Casablancas clan.

Upon rewatching this episode, that scene is even more hilarious the second time around. It's as if Big Dick has been waiting for this moment and he has his big exit all planned out, even down to the "Just keep shredding! Shred it! Shred everything." All with poor Beaver standing there in complete confusion. Big Dick's grand exit on the helicopter was pretty exciting, and I think the episode should have ended there, because Veronica going to Duncan in his hotel room seemed almost anti-climactic.

Then again, Duncan always seems, er, anti-climactic.

Putting Logan in a towel for his confrontation with Veronica was the real genius move, though. Whoever on the writing staff is pushing to have Logan undressed more this season deserves a big raise. [/shallow]

I agree. I thought that this scene was hilarious, yet I still felt bad for Cassidy. That scene topped off a really good episode.



My speculation:
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Then again, it may just be a red herring and I have been thinking way too much about this...

I am casting my vote for "total red herring" and I'm going to disagree with your speculation. (We don't have to spoilerize anything that is pure speculation, do we?)

I think Veronica is going to think she was the target of the bus crash -- and will suspect that Aaron is behind it to get rid of her before his trial (and may even suspect that Logan was involved b/c he's the go-to bad guy and there is that ominous "I'm gonna miss you" comment) . . . but I think something else entirely is going on with the bus crash. Somehow that will relate to Guttenberg and/or the Casablancas family, but I have absolutely no idea how or why.

The Felix murder may or may not play into this, or may just be a background issue that keeps the class warfare going as a subplot and keeps Logan and Weevil engaged as arch-enemies. Lord knows, Weevil needs something to do. (Where is he?)

I only spoilerized my speculation because of the casting spoiler I put in there.

Oh, right, gotcha. I guess I knew that already and didn't even think about it being a spoiler.

I'm thinking this season is going to be more like 24... in that they'll clear up mysteries and open up a whole bunch of new ones. For example, I suspect the bus situation could be cleared up by the middle of the season, but a whole bunch of new stuff related to it will arise.

This season's getting even better.

The ratings appear to have been holding for the 3rd week in a row. It's destorying the WB competition, but still is in 5th place (obviously). Not bad considering it's in such a competitive time slot. I wonder if the ratings will start to go up now that season 1 is out on DVD.

I was just watching the reairing, and for the first time I looked at the doodles accompanying the new additions to the opening credits.

Dick -- a guy surfing.

Beaver -- a fedora and a camera.

Jackie -- a bottle of pills.

The sigificance of Dick's is obvious. Beaver's seems pretty generic (like Wallace's, which is just a chalk outline of a body) but it could mean he's going to start helping at Mars Investigations. But Jackie's seems to be a pretty major clue about what's up with her.

Interesting, Sean. I hadn't thought to check out the drawings during the opening credits.

That's cool. You know i'd never even noticed the drawings before lol.

It is highly unlikely that the bus was hijacked. If he had been targetting Veronica, he would not have bothered to hi-jack the bus and drive it off the cliff without her. It is much more likely that the bus was somehow "rigged" to go off of the cliff by the former stunt coordinator.

Regards,

10/19/05

Yay! We got Mac, even if it was 3:30 in the middle of the night.

Veronica's case was okay, she got to have fun with her damsel-in-distress ruse. Why wasn't she using a USB memory stick to swipe off the guy's info instead of burning it to a CD. That Bloch woman was rich and shallow.

So "Cher"'s boyfriend did turn out to be Wallace's dad. Hmm...

So why did Keith's investigation only turn up the dad's cover story, I guess Keith wasn't doing his due dilligence and stopped when he found what he wanted to find.

So what is up with Duncan hanging around Meg's hospital room all this time. And did we know she survived the bus "accident"? from last week's episode? I thought everyone had perished.

So what is up with that unknown Echols phone number that VM came across, thanks to the trail that Weevil provided? I love Logan's sarcasm.

I was right about Alicia being called "Cher" by the dad, we learned it was short for "Cherie".

I think it was the second episode it was stated that Meg had survived and was in a coma.

I'm not too thrilled about the Fennel thread -- having Wallace's long lost father turn up alive and well is just a little too soapy for my taste. The writers better have an original explanation for his mother's lies to make up for it.

But other than that, it was a great episode. I especially liked that they brought back Wallace's and Meg's siblings. I'd forgotten that Wallace had a younger brother until I was watching the DVDs. He only appeared once in the first season, and I was starting to think he'd gone to the cornfield to play cards with Chuck Cunningham. And I actually think Lizzie is a more interesting character than Meg.


I think the bigger question is why her parents blamed him for her being on the bus -- is it just irrational grief, or do they think he had foreknowledge?


I wonder if Trina might still have a private line in the house?

I'm almost positive Logan was lying about being at the beach party -- his description of it is identical to the opening scene of Credit Where Credit's Due. Whether he's lying because he's the one who called Weevil, or has other reasons I don't know.

I am curious to know what you mean by this comment about Logan's description of the party. The party in CWCD was a big bonfire bash at Dog Beach. This "Life is Short" party was held at Logan's house aka Casa de Killer.

Logan's "Life is Short" party was also mentioned in episode 2 "Driver Ed." Right before Jessie punches the 09er girl in the bathroom, the 09er girl says to Veronica "Are you and Duncan going to Logan's Life is Short party?" So Logan did have a party with that macabre theme shortly after the bus crash. And, if we can believe Logan (which I think we can), half of Neptune showed up at his house for the party. Everyone except Veronica, Duncan, and poor comatose Meg.

I do think the fact that Aaron has five different land line phone numbers registered to him has to have some signficance. It was funny that Veronica said to Logan that it was a number she didn't know and he didn't even question her comment. Of course she would know most of the phone numbers to phones at Casa de Killer, whether they be fax lines, Aaron's private line, whatever. But five? Does anyone need that many phone numbers?


I was thinking the same thing, which might explain why V doesn't know the number. If only AH didn't have her own show . . .

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Ratings appear to have been 2.7/4 in the overnights. The last three episodes this season were 2.6/4 (with a little over 3 million in total viewers). That's a large step up from last season's average of 2.4 million total viewers. Season 3 looks to be likely. **CROSSES FINGERS**

From your, uh, fingers to Dawn Ostroff's ears. I would really like VM to show solid and consistent ratings improvement over the season, as maybe people have caught up on the S1 DVDs and are tuning in now. I hope.

It must be incredibly difficult to sustain a show at this level of complexity in plotting and characterization, but they deserve at least three seasons, I would think. But I feel lucky that we were blessed with a second season, because most shows I like this much (My So-Called Life, Freaks and Geeks, Cupid) tend to be of the "early cancellation" variety.

It bears repeating that it was a boneheaded decision to street the 1st season DVD's after the 2nd season has already started. Folks who first caught the show on DVD, liked it, and decided to watch it might be put off jumping in right now as they've already missed a handful of episodes. I'm a perfect example of this. I watched 24 for the first time on DVD, and finished in time to flow right into S2 broadcasts. If I hadn't come across the S1 DVD's until a few episodes into S2, I'd have skipped S2 broadcasts. Why do some shows just seem to always have the deck stacked against them? I haven't started watching yet this year (I'm saving them up), but I do hope the show sticks around.