Veronica Mars Season 2 - Page 19

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Typically, doesn't the state present their witnesses first, and then the defense present their witnesses?

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Yah, and I would have assumed that the prosecution would have gone for character assassination by digging up every person Aaron had ever ruined.

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Yeah, but if One Angry Veronica proved anything, the one thing this show does not do realistically is courtroom stuff.

Not surprised Aaron got off. This is noir afterall.

Rob

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Wow, I've never wanted to punch the television more than this week's VM. Not in a bad way, mind you, in a good writing getting under your skin way. Rob Thomas sure knows how to play with us.
Still though, some of the late season revelations are a bit of a letdown, considering the number of people who had figured out Woodie was a child molester a few episodes ago, and, I'm quite sure the other voice on the recording that was edited out was Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show) .
Still though, no answer as to who Amber is, and I seriously doubt Woodie caused the bus crash. Remember, it wasn't until late into the final episode of last season that we found out who the murderer was. People were still thinking it was Duncan or Logan at that point.
Can't wait till next week.......

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Great episode, even though the trial was fairly ludicrous.


Oh, Weevil is seriously screwed. I guess his grandma won't get to see him graduate before he's hauled off to jail.

From the previews..

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I'm wondering if there's another twist to the Woody story other than child molestation. After all, Lucky never did say that's what happened to them in the recording, only that Woody should pay for what he did to them.

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Yeah, it won't be long until they find Thumper's body, and there's absolutely nothing to tie his death in with the Fitzpatricks versus Weevil. I guess the only possibility is that the Fitzpatricks had access to Sharks stadium while Weevil didn't, but what's a little breaking and entering to someone who's about to commit murder?

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I was under the impression they already had - didn't the newspaper say something about a body being found in the rubble?

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I must have missed that.
A shame though. Yes, Weevil is responsible for killing Thumper and probably should be punished for it, but we've all seen how effective Neptune's law enforcement is. If Weevil had left it up to Lamb, there's no real guarantee that Thumper would go to prison for killing Felix.
That being said, I'm still not convinced that Thumper actually did kill Felix. We know that it was whoever rode Thumper's bike that night, but there was some redistribution of bikes that night since they were a few men down (Felix, obviously and Weevil, who was unconscious).
Anyone else think that we still haven't seen the ultimate payoff of Madison's affair with Lamb? I'm betting on it being part of the ultimate downfall of Lamb, along with his solicitation of a payout from Terrence Cook (now that the cat's out of the bag, there's no reason for Keith to keep the recording under his hat). Another emergency recall election, anyone?

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I saw Thumper's face on that newspaper but it flashed on screen so quickly that I couldn't read the headline. Has anyone been able to read it?

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"Mystery Sharks Stadium body identified as PCH Gang Leader"

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He's responsible for getting Thumper killed -- subtle difference. Maybe they can get "airquotes" defense attorney to get him off, although he's probably out of Weevil's price range.

That attorney pissed me off, the prosecution was lame, and the trial ridiculous. (Not that juries don't sometimes blow it, but they hardly need to stack the deck so much.) Hopefully the setup is worth it.

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I thought the court scenes were very weak and lame. How can Veronica's STD be of any relevance to her testimony in a murder trial.

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How does this season stack up against the first one? I can't get VM in my area but will pick up the DVD boxset.

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For me, it's a notch below the first season. But the season finale has the potential to change that, we'll see.

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It shows that Veronica has been sexually active and thereby bolsters the defense's "theory" that Veronica was seeking an affair with an attractive, rich celebrity (consistent with her penchant for attractive, rich friends and boyfriends), and that her testimony is a fabrication by "a woman scorned".

Since we already know Aaron faked evidence implicating Duncan (the buried Oscar), now I wonder whether Veronica's STD results were somehow phony. It seems pretty convenient for that diagnosis to arrive just before the trial and to fit so well with the defense case.

TV almost never gets courtroom scenes right, even on the Law and Order series. But the scenes on VM were consistent with the show's running theme about the power of wealth and celebrity.

M.

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There's one thing I don't get about Aaron's defense:
Okay, they demonstrated that it doesn't take much to get Keith riled up when it comes to his daughter's sex life, and that it was entirely possible that Keith could have instigated a fight with Aaron over her. However, how do they spin setting Keith on fire?! Does it really hold that you would set someone on fire in self defense? Could you possibly pour a ton of gasoline over an entire yard and set it aflame to defend yourself?

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The script cheats by opening with the defense case, which is when Aaron would take the stand. We never see how the prosecution presented that aspect of the story.

And of course, the script cheats again by having Keith, Veronica and Logan be cross-examined as part of the defense case. In real life, they'd have testified during the prosecution's case, and no competent defense lawyer would have let their testimony sit unchallenged until days later.

M.

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I know that I'm looking forward to Season 2 coming out on DVD. I want to watch the entire season over again to pick up on the countless number of things I missed this season. I was sooo much more confused this season than I was last season. But I still love the show.

Here's to keeping my fingers crossed for Season 3!

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I've got some big theories about Beaver:
Beaver was behind the leak which took down Woodie's plans for incorporation. He did this in order to manipulate property prices. People got scared of incorporation and sold their land to Beaver, because their land was outside the incorporation zone. Once he bought up all the land, he leaked Woodie's scandal and his land was suddenly worth a lot more.
2. He was behind the recording (attached to the "STOP INCORPORATION OR ELSE" e-mail) and it's his voice that's edited out. This way, he can impress Dick Sr. with his real-estate knowhow, but protects himself from the scandal coming out as a sexual abuse victim. With the other two kids in the recording dead, they're not around to point the finger at who the third person was. Now, the recording was made well before plans for incorporation became public, so it wasn't made with the purpose of stopping incorporation. More likely just to blackmail Woodie.

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I have a question. Do you think Weevil will go to jail and we won't see him next season? I hope not cuz I like his character.

I'm definitely hoping for more Mac.

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In real world criminal murder cases, defense attorneys very rarely put their clients on the stand, and prosecuting attorneys can not compel them to testify.

Regards,

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A small addendum: The recording was probably made by the kid who died in the bus crash who was threatening the "outing to end all outings" (Woodie).
This actually gives Beaver a motive for causing the bus crash. I don't think he did, but I will be the first to say "I told you so" if he did.

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Ken, I'm not sure what your point is. Since the episode opens with Aaron testifying, we're coming in mid-trial, during the defense case. Do you see it differently?

And while it's more common for defendants not to testify, "very rarely" is too strong. A lot depends on how well the defendant can perform on the stand (in the case of an actor, probably very well) and how crucial it is for the defendant to offer an alternative version of events (in this case, essential).

M.

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I agree with the earlier comment that S2 is a notch below S1. But given that I thought S1 was perhaps one of the best single seasons of a TV show ever, I still think S2 is pretty good.

I think S2 will probably play better on DVD than it did on TV, because S2 is much more complicated than S1 and the mysteries were harder to follow because the episodes were stretched out with long periods of repeats. On DVD it will be easier to keep up with all 372 mysteries, plots and subplots.

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I like that theory, Mark. But still, I can't think of a character with the motive to methodically crash the bus. Aaron's killing was impulsive and his further crimes branched from his selfish need to protect himself. But a bunch of kids, with heavy premeditation? That's much more psychotic than anything we've seen so far, and no motives the show has presented justify it.

Thomas - It was an off-site doctor, then a transition to the school.

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YES! Kristen Bell! MORE KRISTEN BELL!
Aside from Kristen Bell being hot, I do think Veronica Mars is a good show....but if it didn't have Kristen Bell, it wouldn't be that good of a show....

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I've got a super Kristen Bell crush, but who knows . . . we'd be used to the other actress and may have liked her just as much.

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Thanks Cheryl.

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I'm not so sure of that. Kristen Bell is unusually talented and she probably accounts for 80% or more of why I love the show so much. In the hands of a lesser actress, Veronica could really come across as an unlikable bitch. I shudder to think what VM would have been like with someone like Mischa Barton or Kristin Kreuk in the role.

Just a few minutes into watching the Pilot of VM, I knew that I was going to like this girl because KB truly had something special going on. If she didn't have me at "Go Pirates!" she definitely had me at "so it's big, huh?"

If it's as big as you say it is, *I'll* be your girlfriend. We can go to prom together!!