Veronica Mars Season 2 - Page 7

Yeah, that hurt the case, but Veronica, Duncan, and Logan have all seen the tape, and if Logan (his own son) testifies, that'll be pretty damning to a jury.

Still... Why did Dep. Leo steal all the tapes? If he was initially just looking to make some money, you'd think he would have left one in storage (or only stolen one and copied it), because he doesn't seem the type to tank the case - selling the tapes to Logan rather than the tabloids shows his heart sort of in the right place. Stealing them all would make sense if he were trying to make it look like Aaron was somehow responsible, but he was the one who put Keith on the trail of if being done for the money. I guess he's just not that bright.

THAT'S who that was! Man, it was driving me nuts when I was watching last night. I guess it's been longer than I thought since I've seen Scrubs.

Myself, I'd be er if this wasn't the third time this season she'd been killed. Sure, last week doesn't count, but we got the massive gut-punch at the end of the first episode. As a result, especially when you throw in the way it happened way off-screen, I'm both kind of spent and a little doubtful that she's actually dead.

I thought this was the most poorly written of all the shows in the series' run so far. The exposition scenes in the deliberation room were excruciating. It was so obviously a recap for those completely unfamiliar with the case (us, the audience) and not for those who had just sat through the entire trial (the jurors). One bright spot was the knitting lady in the Henry Fonda role from Twelve Angry Men.

Sad about Meg as I like the character, but her storyline this season has been unbelieveable all along (survives the bus crash unscarred except the coma, baby also comes through just fine, the waking scene last week, and then she up and dies off screen). Yuck! And why in the world would she tell Veronica to look after her baby if she doesn't make it? Wouldn't that be a conversation to have with Duncan?

Ah well, I expect better things when they come back from hiatus in six weeks.

Rob

12 Angry Men Veronica Mars is not. It was almost painful to watch them copy 12 Angry Men so closely.

Well, she has been close enough to sticky situations before the breakup to know that if you need something to get done in Neptune, damn the consequences or who may be offended, you talk to someone named "Mars". Keith wasn't around.

And Duncan? Has violent episodes.

Will Duncan step up and claim the child as his? (It makes the "take care of baby" assignment from the past episode take on a whole other level of significance now).

Veronica being 'ok' with it being Duncan's baby? I am so not liking her this season. I get that she's doing her whole 'getting back to normal' crap, but it's things like that that just make me want to have a violent episode of my own. Although I do think Veronica and Duncan will break up soon, it's driving me crazy seeing her act like this.

I'm so glad Wallace is back!

Logan = hot. Logan crying = omg teh hawtness woo! Seriously, there's nothing hotter than a guy in touch with his emotions. And if there's one thing Logan's in touch with, it's his emotions.

Damn you, 5-week hiatus. Damn you.

I just looked at Jason Dohring's IMDB page and he's playing Timothy McVeigh in a movie called Dreamland. I'm assuming it's THAT Timothy McVeigh. And I learned from an episode of America's Next Top Model that he's married, not that that will or should change how you feel about him Natalie .

I've only seen it once, but on review, you're right. It's just all the helpful crap about getting him into hospital afterwards that made me think she was alright with it.

I'm pretty sure that was just a workshop or something, because he's talked about it in interviews and I don't think its being released. And the married thing doesn't bother me half as much as the Scientologist thing, but he's so hot that I'll forgive it

That's big of you .

I'm no fan of Scientology, but I could care less in this case as long as he's not an ass about it *cough*Tom Cruise*cough*. I've heard nothing but good things from fan who have met him. A bit of trivia: he's second generation COS, and his parents created the NeoPets.

Also, for anyone near Austin (or willing to travel there), there's an awesome VM event going on January 14 & 15 at the Alamo Drafthouse. From the info page:

The tickets go on sale today (December 9) at 5pm EST, and judging by response from the folks over at the TWOP boards, you're going to have to act real fast to get these tickets. Unfortunately for me, I no longer have either the time or the money to attend.

3.42 million viewers last night.

It's pretty easy to see that when it's not up against LOST it scores pretty well, and when it is... the ratings are still up from last season, but not amazing.

These are the ratings as of now.

2.01 - 3.33 (Total), (1.8/5 18-49) sep 28
2.02 - 2.73 (Total), (1.0/3 18-49) oct 05
2.03 - 3.03 (Total), (1.3/3 18-49) oct 12
2.04 - 3.12 (Total), (1.5/4 18-49) oct 19
2.05 - 3.55 (Total), (1.6/4 18-49) oct 26
2.01R- 2.24 (Total), (1.5/2 18-49) nov 02
2.06 - 3.07 (Total), (1.3/3 18-49) nov 09
2.07 - 2.94 (Total), (1.3/3 18-49) nov 16
2.08 - 2.53 (Total) (1.0/3 18-49) nov 23
2.09 - 2.99 (Total) (1.2/3 18-49) nov 30
2.10 - 3.42 (Total) (1.4/4 18-49) dec 07

For comparison I've dug up some of the numbers from last season. Although what really matters is if the show can improve in the timeslot it is in... from the year before. Which means it needs to be getting better than Kevin Hill (which most weeks it does, usually just barely). I also looked over some of the rerun ratings... and usually it's pretty dismal sometimes as low as 1.8 million viewers with a .8/1 share in the 18-49 demo... So far this season, the only episode that's been rerun (the season 2 premiere) hasn't had much of a drop. So even second run episodes are doing well. Not bad at all. Jason's right, it's too early to really worry because nothing is decided until later, but it'll get the full season no doubt, and barring any huge drops I think many have agreed it's a safe best at least a season 3 order is likely. It keeps trending up...

1.01 - 2.59 (Total), 1.1/3 18-49sep 22 (wed)
1.02 - 2.49 (Total), 1.3/3 18-49sep 28 2004
1.03 - 2.71 (Total), 1.3/3 18-49oct 12 2004

1.13 - 2.75 (Total), 1.1/5 18-49feb 08
1.14 - 2.61 (Total), 1.2/3 18-49feb 15
1.15 - 2.28 (Total), 1.0/2 18-49feb 22
1.16 - 2.23 (Total), 0.8/2 18-49mar 29
1.17 - 2.85 (Total), 1.1/3 18-49apr 05
1.18 - 2.31 (Total), 0.9/2 18-49apr 12
1.19 - 2.46 (Total), 1.0/3 18-49apr 19
1.21 - 2.65 (Total), 1.1/3 18-49may 03
1.22 - 2.85 (Total), 1.2/3 18-49may 10

Hopefully it will keep improving. If I lose Arrested Development and VM in the same year, I may be forced to never watch TV again.

Tell me about it. Then again, I swore that I'd never watch TV after My So-Called Life was canceled. Or I swore I'd never watch ABC again. Or something.

Anyway . . . I didn't like "One Angry Veronica" much at all, although the Logan crying scene was pretty great and a highlight of the entire season so far. (I'm with Natalie all the way on the hotness and appeal of Logan. Seems to be a popular opinion with the female VM fans.)

But I'm still enjoying the show and I will be very upset if VM doesn't get a third season. This show is truly special and holds my interest in a way that few TV shows ever have before.

I'm finally caught up. I kind of teared up when Wallace showed up at the door. He was just what Veronica needed right then.

Hey, just wondering: do you think Keith knew Wallace was coming over is why he went to bed?

Kristin at E! Online is holding a "Save Your Favorite Endangered Show" by allowing each person to e-mail her the title of one show they would like saved. She has a list of shows to choose from. Veronica Mars is on the list due to declining ratings.

Go to her page and send your vote:

http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristi...05/051216.html

Unfortunately, you can only vote once and the top three shows' network will get a letter from Kristin pleading to save that show.
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She actually seems to think VM is pretty safe, saying it's only on the list because it deserves better ratings. But, since it's the only one I watch, I sent an e-mail in support of it anyway.

Yeah, I'm voting for VM as well.

I was considering voting for Arrested Development, but the hope is that Showtime will pick it up... and the e-mail is gonna go to FOX... so that's a little useless. It doesn't have a prayer at FOX at this point.

Veronica it is.

Anyone know when this is coming back? When I checked my Tivo a couple of days ago I didn't see any upcoming episodes at all.

Sure as hell ain't on tonight (new episode, that is), not with the BCS championship game on ABC...

Maybe we ought to have a thread listing the return dates for all the various shows. I know I've been having trouble keeping up with it.

New episodes are set for Jan 18, 25, Feb 1, and Feb 8. All of those are up against new episodes of LOST unfortunately... arrrrgh.

Anyone get tickets to the texas marsathon? They're getting to see the 11th episode of the season a few days early. Man, I'd have liked some of those tickets...

Here's a cool round-up of "best of 2005" articles in which VM has appeared:

http://www.livejournal.com/community...10.html#cutid1

A site I just found talks about the show and tells when it is coming back:
http://neptunesite.com/news.htm

Question...Did Allyson Hannigan and Carisma Carpenter have any scenes together in the episode My Mother, My Fiend?

Yes, one scene, and it kicked ass.

Where did it happen? In Duncan's hotel room? Don't remember.

Classic line from Logan introducting their characters:

"Rode Hard, meet Put Away Wet"