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post #361 of 2203
8/31/05 at 6:27pm
> They were having a discussion with an economist on another station who said the same thing, that the station with that high price was trying to keep people away

If they want to keep people away, why don't they just close?
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post #362 of 2203
8/31/05 at 6:32pm
Welcome to Atlanta, home of panicky transplanted Yankees! Seriously, though, on my 25-mile commute home from work today, they were lined-up at the stations like cattle. I saw prices from $2.79 to $3.79. Yesterday, they were $2.45. (I paid just $2.40 last Friday.) I saw one station raise their price twice in one day. The thing that really amazes me is how there was just as long a line at a station charging $3.29 as there was across the street for $2.79. That's $10.00+ per tank difference for me for just crossing the street! I just hope there is some left tomorrow at $5.00+ per gallon. This is just insane here.
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post #363 of 2203
8/31/05 at 6:35pm
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Bah! I just want an alternative fuel and leave the oil corporations holding their dicks.

Well Honda has a natural-gas version of the civic for sale. But the cost of is NG rising too, so maybe I can intrest you in an electric car? Yes! an all-electric "Never pay a goddamned penny to OPEC ever again" car! Just march over to ZAPWORLD and click on "Cars for sale".

The downside is you're reduced to ghastly Dynastys (?!) and Corbin Sparrows for new cars. But they do modify former gasoline cars too, they even have a Nissan pickup.

But, now you're going to be paying out the nose for household electricity! So you may want to invest in some solar panels for your garage roof, and maybe a windmill/turbine for the backyard to really get all the free go-juice you can use.

OR.......

Bicycles and new shoes are even cheaper still.
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post #364 of 2203
8/31/05 at 6:56pm
On my way home, I drove by 5 different intersections jammed up by the gas station rush of 2005 in NE Atlanta as well, and I was grateful to have had filled up just a couple of nights ago and still have about 9 gallons left in the tank, and wasn't forced to wait 35-60 minutes in the lines that the radio stations where reporting as the ongoing wait times, even just after rush hour tonight. Costco's price was $2.66/gal for 87 octane, but their lines were insanely long.
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post #365 of 2203
8/31/05 at 7:19pm
Two nights ago my wife told me to get gas and I didn't because I was tired and just wanted to go home after wasting an afternoon getting a new alternator. I work from home so I only drive a couple of miles a day to drop off and pick my daughter up from school. Unfortunately my car is near empty.

I didn't find out about today's developments until it was too late. All the stations around me either had their pumps shut down, or were $3.39+. There was still one below $3.00 station open but the line was huge. I guess if I'd really known how bad things were I would have sat and waited.

We're going through Savannah to Tybee this weekend, wonder if the gas will be any cheaper there?
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post #366 of 2203
8/31/05 at 7:21pm
Thread Starter 


A real sign

$2.80 here for regular up 30 cents since yesterday
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post #367 of 2203
8/31/05 at 7:36pm
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We're going through Savannah to Tybee this weekend, wonder if the gas will be any cheaper there?


I would wonder if there's going to be any gas at all. Gov. Perdue has urged everyone to stay home this weekend.
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post #368 of 2203
8/31/05 at 8:59pm
Since James posted the pic I'll ask the question I've been wondering about; why hasn't the difference in price of the different grades increased as the overall price has increased?
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post #369 of 2203
8/31/05 at 9:13pm
Things will never get better. Get ready for the next great depression.
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post #370 of 2203
8/31/05 at 10:14pm
$2.89 at the local Hess mart here and cars were lined up into the streets. One guy filled up ten canisters for later use, too. All of the other gas chains were around $3.15. I'm moving to Boston part-time tomorrow, and I fear the cost of re-fueling the moving truck is going to be positively astronomical.
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post #371 of 2203
8/31/05 at 10:33pm
The sad thing is that the oil bastards are trying to condition us to think that $2.50 is a bargain. That does look like a bargain compared to $4-$5 (it's gonna be there within a week). Even if there was a collapse on the oil market and oil went down to $10 a barrel, I bet these motherless bastards would charge $2.50 or so anyway (because we'll be so glad it's not $4 - which would be true!)

As others have stated some good could come out of this long run as forcing us to go hybrid and whatnot.

What is going to happen with these big trucks though? I can't imagine they can possibly go hybrid - the cost of trucking stuff around could remain forever high, that to me seems the most dangerous part of this scam...

The important thing is to keep in mind that the oil company executives live high and mighty, will never have a concern about keeping a roof over their families heads or feeding them and they will continue to become richer. That IS what this is about.
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post #372 of 2203
8/31/05 at 11:21pm
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why hasn't the difference in price of the different grades increased as the overall price has increased?


According to this article its because demand is falling sharply for higher grade gasoline.
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post #373 of 2203
9/1/05 at 5:42am
What about school districts? It's going to cost them a fortune to bus our kids to and from school. And what about extracurricular activites like after school athletics and things of that nature? School districts may have to re-think what they will have to do about games and after school activities because it'll get too costly to transport teams and kids. I saw on one of the morning shows some time ago that a school superintendant (I can't recall what State or school district) said that it'll cost over $100 to fill up the tank of a school bus (I believe this was in early Spring when I saw this segment). Apparently the school buses only get about 9 mpg with all the stopping-and-going it does.

The price increases aren't just hitting your traveling. It's going to affect anything and everything that relies on petrol to get it there...food, consumer goods. The increase in gas prices will ultimately get passed on to us...the consumer. Get ready for $5.00 per gallon of milk as well.
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post #374 of 2203
9/1/05 at 5:44am
Up another 10cents from yesterday a hour west of NYC.
Its $2.99 now so this afternoon itll be over 3.

The news said to expect a 5 cents increase a day.

Last night a friend called me from a gas station in Poughkeepsie and said there were lines and he'd been waiting on one for about 15 minutes and watched as families filled up togather.A father,daughter and mother all filling up on the fathers credit card.

"No, it's not costing them a cent more to drill, all that extra is profit. the oil industry is vertically integrated, meaining the same company drills, processes, and sells at the pumps. The sickening thing is that much if not most of the cost of gas is taxes, not materials cost. Of course it doesn't hurt having someone with a vested interest in oil sitting in the White House.

Also, I have yet to hear a rational explanation as to how oil that was removed from the ground two years ago and refined can have its price increased based on today's markets. the oil pricing that is reported are futures, not current pricing. This would be the same as having a DVD released ten months ago at a cost of $10 suddenly becoming $20 because the futures in DVDs say the cost in November will be higher. It's a great scam, and we all pay for it."

According to Bill Orielly(who I normally dont watch, but happened to last watching Hurricane coverage)Crude is $70 a barrel and it costs them about $4 - so do the math. He basically accused them of profiting from a natural disaster.
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post #375 of 2203
9/1/05 at 5:58am
What would happen if Casnada and the U.s. started to use only our own oil?? Could we reudce the price by leaving OPEC??

Brent
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post #376 of 2203
9/1/05 at 6:05am
I always get a chuckle out of those that rip into the oil companies and the execs.

It's us consumers that are the idiots, driving the price up. Why is everyone rushing to get gas?? Just keep your reg schedule and get gas when you need it. Don't hoard (like the guy filling up extra containers)

And if for some reason, you feel you can't take the oil execs making all that money, why not join them? Most oil companies are in the stock market. I know I'm enjoying the ride.

BTW. Just filled up half my tank at $2.89 (up .30 from 2 days ago) station down the street is 2.99.
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post #377 of 2203
9/1/05 at 6:08am
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What would happen if Casnada and the U.s. started to use only our own oil?? Could we reudce the price by leaving OPEC??


Great idea (to try and drill for more in North America). Problem is that the Greens will have a shit fit...

Yes, yes, yes...we need to have fuel alternatives, and probably, eventually, we will. But for the next 15-30 years, we still need stable oil and there should be a lot more drilling in Alaska, Canada and anywhere else in the US. Let the jerkoffs in the Middle East choke on their oil and don't become so reliant on oil from the Gulf of Mexico.

Also we need to try and import more from relatively stable places like Mexico and Russia...
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post #378 of 2203
9/1/05 at 6:21am
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It's us consumers that are the idiots, driving the price up. Why is everyone rushing to get gas??
I agree. We are buying (no pun intended) into the 'fear'.
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post #379 of 2203
9/1/05 at 6:27am
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The price increases aren't just hitting your traveling. It's going to affect anything and everything that relies on petrol to get it there...food, consumer goods. The increase in gas prices will ultimately get passed on to us...the consumer. Get ready for $5.00 per gallon of milk as well.


This is what is going to fuck us...not the increased cost to go to work or go to the grocery store and so on...
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post #380 of 2203
9/1/05 at 6:46am
Actually the question I'm asking is whether we produce enough oil between us to make the idea of local production and use viable option??''

Brent
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post #381 of 2203
9/1/05 at 7:33am
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Actually the question I'm asking is whether we produce enough oil between us to make the idea of local production and use viable option??


Nobody knows for sure. Probably not, but some speculate there could be significant reserves in Alaska and Canada, perhaps enough to reduce our dependence on foreign oil a fair amount (tranlsation: give the Middle East the middle finger). Part of the problem is that the greens have a shit fit over the thought of displacing some Caribou.

Another thing (and I don't know if this is true or not) but I recall hearing or reading that a lot of oil the US buys gets turned around and sold to other countries. Perhaps these other countries need to make their own arrangements (if this is true).

In other words, we should all get used to walking and riding your bike.
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post #382 of 2203
9/1/05 at 7:42am
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Actually the question I'm asking is whether we produce enough oil between us to make the idea of local production and use viable option??''

From the DOE , North America (as of 2000) had oil reserves of around 50 billion barrels, with a refining capability of 20 million barrels a day.

As of 2000, North America oil consumption was at 23 million barrels a day, around 31% of the world's oil consumption. In 1999, North America accounted for around 20% of the world's oil production.

Again though, as mentioned previously, there's no magic switch to suddenly increase oil production & refining, and that's just a shortterm solution anyway - we need to get off using oil for everything.
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post #383 of 2203
9/1/05 at 8:36am
We're well over $3 a gallon here. Since my wife drives 70 miles each day to go back and forth to work, it's starting to cut into our budget. I can only imagine what it's doing to those that can't afford to pay these prices because of their low income.
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post #384 of 2203
9/1/05 at 8:50am
As I cycle past the gas stations on my bike to work, I can see the various gas stations along the way, those that gouge and those that don't.. There is a 30 cent difference in the prices between these two stations. I go by a Mobil station on my way to work and on Tuesday, super (93 oct) was like $2.96, by Wednesday, it was $3.19 and this morning it was $3.30.

Now, I figure with each day I bike to work and back, I can buy myself another (not really) 1/2 gallon carton of ice cream. yum!

Jay
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post #385 of 2203
9/1/05 at 8:57am
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post #386 of 2203
9/1/05 at 9:02am
Well I didnt vote for him,and I commute 45 minutes each way to work, so can I keep bitching now?

Politics is against forum rules so I cant comment on your "vote accordingly" statement.
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post #387 of 2203
9/1/05 at 9:06am
Much as some people would like to believe otherwise, politicians cannot wave a magic wand and make energy (and many other problems) go poof.
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post #388 of 2203
9/1/05 at 9:07am
Car-pooling is going to become very popular soon. Would it have made a difference if everyone would have car-pooled more five years ago? Doubt it. I predict there is going to be riots as transportation grinds to a halt. Many businesses will close. Families will start home-schooling. Local communities will become closer as customers rely on neighbors for assistance. Bicycles will become more popular as families ride together - not only for recreation, but to make trips to the local grocery store. Those that can't bike to work will be forced to find more local employment close to home. The future is very grim.

- Colton
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post #389 of 2203
9/1/05 at 9:09am
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This is the culture we have built, pipe down and enjoy it.

Don't like it? Start writing your politician today and vote accordingly. Otherwise, bitching and moaning on a message board is just hypocracy.

Anyone who voted for Bush should take a moment to reflect on what he has(n't) done for energy conservation in this country. You got exactly what you voted for...

Can we keep the politics out of this discussion? Energy conservation has been an issue for a LOT longer than 5 years, so singling out a single person is just outright naive thinking.

Andrew
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post #390 of 2203
9/1/05 at 9:13am
It's not the end of the world. Most of the supply disruptions are temporary. Once the refineries and pipelines become operational again, gas will drop back down to the $2.80 range.

Back during the 'oil crisis' almost 30 years ago there were dire predictions also. But fuel costs dropped. As recently as 6 years ago we were paying .75 - .99 for gas.
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