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Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by oscar_merkx
Jack Nicholson warned Heath Ledger on 'Joker' role

dated Jan 24

Curious comment.

Is he afraid that he will be forever overshadowed by HL ?

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post #2192 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by oscar_merkx
Jack Nicholson warned Heath Ledger on 'Joker' role

dated Jan 24

Curious comment.

Is he afraid that he will be forever overshadowed by HL ?

I love how the media totally took that quote and warped it into something else. When Nicholson said "I warned him", he was speaking about sleeping pills and didn't specifically warn Ledger but just people in general on that he almost drove his own car off the road when he himself took too many sleeping pills.

YouTube - Jack Nicholson on Heath Ledger's Death
post #2193 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

That's indeed a lot different.
post #2194 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by DavidPla
I love how the media totally took that quote and warped it into something else. When Nicholson said "I warned him", he was speaking about sleeping pills and didn't specifically warn Ledger but just people in general on that he almost drove his own car off the road when he himself took too many sleeping pills.


Exactly. Jack wasn't referring to the role of The Joker at all when he made that comment, he was talking about the dangers of prescription medication. Leave it to the media to turn it into something else completely.
post #2195 of 2280

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I’m more shocked by Morgan Freeman’s comments on that video.
post #2196 of 2280

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Originally Posted by Sam Davatchi
I’m more shocked by Morgan Freeman’s comments on that video.

How so?
post #2197 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by JonZ
"Saw it this afternoon. Believe the hype, it's excellent. "

Shawn,
Can you give us some info about youre screening without going into spoilers


Sure. The screening was in Boston. It was in 35mm, unfortunately (the IMAX screening is tomorrow night) but it still looked terrific. The 152 minutes zipped by far too fast for my liking. Ledger was as great as everyone has been saying, but he didn't steal the movie away from the rest of the cast the way Nicholson did in Burton's original. Every major character seemed to have equal time, backed by great performances from the entire cast.

The intensity level is pretty high throughout. And while it wasn't bloody, it was pretty violent (keep the kids under 14 at home). Nolan handles the fight scenes much better this time around (translation: he pulled the camera back far enough for us to see what is going on). The chase scene involving the 18-wheeler, the batmobile and a police wagon makes the Batmobile chase from the first film pale in comparison. I can't wait to see that with an opening night audience. They're going to go bezerk!

If there are any downsides, they are small: there isn't much chemistry between Dent and Rachel, and the ending is stretched out just the slightest bit in order to set up the next film. But given how great everything else is, it's easy to overlook any shortcomings.

'The Dark Knight' is a dark, stormy and balls-out awesome crime thriller for adults that demands to be seen on the biggest screen you can find, and it is a movie that demands repeat viewings.

Easily four out of four stars.

If you have any specific questions that might involve spoilers, feel free to PM me.
post #2198 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Is the original IMAX prologue really the opening of the film?

That can't be a spoiler to answer that.
post #2199 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Yup. That's how the film begins. The one exception being the clips at the end of the IMAX prologue. Obviously, those have been removed.
post #2200 of 2280

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Chicago worked so much better than New York City ever could. It has a nice, open feel to it that you really need for the action scenes (especially the one at the film's midpoint).

Of course, they could have shot it in Boston...providing the story was about how The Joker was originally a man driven insane by The Big Dig...
post #2201 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Quote:
Originally Posted by oscar_merkx
Jack Nicholson warned Heath Ledger on 'Joker' role

dated Jan 24

Curious comment.

Is he afraid that he will be forever overshadowed by HL ?

Um, WHAT?!? Your comment seems even curiouser, Oscar? Forget the Joker, cause I'm here to tell you, unequivocally, that he will never be overshadowed by Heath Ledger. Ever. Jack Nicholson's towering legacy will always be intact as long as humans continue to watch movies. He is (arguably) the greatest actor/movie star of the 70s.

Easy Rider
Five Easy Pieces
Carnal Knowledge
King Of Marvin Gardens
The Last Detail
Chinatown
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
The Shining


Iconic work...all of them!

Hell, his work in the 80s ain't too shabby either(Prizzi's Honor Terms Of Endearment, Ironweed, Postman Always Rings Twice)


All due respect (he was a very talented, promising young actor) Heath Ledger isn't a pimple on that ass! Maybe he could have been had he LIVED. But that is neither here nor there
post #2202 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Shawn.F
Ledger was as great as everyone has been saying, but he didn't steal the movie away from the rest of the cast the way Nicholson did in Burton's original. Every major character seemed to have equal time, backed by great performances from the entire cast.

I'm very glad to hear this.
post #2203 of 2280

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How so?
He seemed like it’s necessary to insist that he never met him and he seemed to downplay his death. He didn’t talk about it. A simple "it’s tragic, I can't believe it", would have been nice and respectful.
post #2204 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Did Freeman have any scenes with Ledger? He might not have met him.
post #2205 of 2280

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Hi Brandon,

He doesn't.
post #2206 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by MikeRS
All due respect (he was a very talented, promising young actor) Heath Ledger isn't a pimple on that ass! Maybe he could have been had he LIVED. But that is neither here nor there

With all due respect, Ledger could actually ACT. By that I mean immerse himself to the point that you fully believe in who he is playing. Nicholson is essentially himself in every role. It works for him, but there's something to be said about their differing levels of talent. Nicholson is a 'movie star', Ledger was an actor.



Shawn:

Can't wait to see that trick !

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
With all due respect, Ledger could actually ACT. By that I mean immerse himself to the point that you fully believe in who he is playing. Nicholson is essentially himself in every role. It works for him, but there's something to be said about their differing levels of talent. Nicholson is a 'movie star', Ledger was an actor.

I hope we really don't get into a Ledger vs Nicholson debate but I will say there are many things wrong with the sentence "Nicholson is essentially himself in every role". One needs only look at his roles throughout the 1970s and 1980s. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is one of the greatest performances ever and much more than Nicholson just being a 'movie star'.
post #2208 of 2280

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Thanks Shawn.
How did the audience react to it?

No spoilers for me thanks.

Got tickets for 2 shows friday. Cant wait.
post #2209 of 2280

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Nicholas, have you seen any of these films?


Easy Rider
Five Easy Pieces

Carnal Knowledge
King Of Marvin Gardens
The Last Detail
Chinatown
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
The Shining
Prizzi's Honor
Terms Of Endearment
Ironweed
Postman Always Rings Twice
The Pledge
About Schmidt (Last great acting role)




I certainly hope you're not basing your opinion of Nicholson on his post-90s output. Because during his prime, Nicholson was an actor first, movie star second. Any young method actor (of which Heath Ledger would most certainly be categorized) would undoubtedly cite his 70s work as an inspiration (Just as they would Pacino, De Niro, Hoffman, Hackman, etc..)

Heck, it's a testament to the greatness of that decade that the equivalent of Tom Cruise in the 70s was a great actor like Nicholson. That's what passed for a star then.
post #2210 of 2280

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This film is fermenting almost religious zeal. Never have I seen such an uproar anytime someone offers a negative review of The Dark Knight.

Weird....
post #2211 of 2280

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Originally Posted by DavidPla
I hope we really don't get into a Ledger vs Nicholson debate but I will say there are many things wrong with the sentence "Nicholson is essentially himself in every role". One needs only look at his roles throughout the 1970s and 1980s. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is one of the greatest performances ever and much more than Nicholson just being a 'movie star'.


I completely agree with everything you just said. As much as I'm looking forward to Ledger's portrayal of The Joker and believing it will be better than Nicholson's version, there's no denying Jack is one of the greatest actors EVER. Anyone who thinks otherwise seriously needs to look at his filmography.
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I'm not saying he isn't good, I'm saying like all movie stars who open movies with their name alone and are beloved by the masses, his own personality and physical/vocal traits come through every time, taking away the effect of being a completely different person.

I haven't seen all the films listed, out of them I've seen:

Carnal Knowledge
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
The Shining
Terms Of Endearment

I'm not going to pretend to remember them in detail, and I'm not looking to get into a debate either.

The point I'm making is simple: Don't sell Ledger short - on this film or his other films - just because his career was short-lived.

That's all I'm saying on that subject.

Returning to a previous comment, quoted here:

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
I loved the sepia because it was a completely different, earthier color set to what we've been getting and it helped reinforce the claustrophobia of Gotham.
The only way the blue/sepia divide would work for me is if the night scenes are sepia like Batman Begins and the day scenes are blue. It would really drive home the idea that Gotham is two different worlds by night and by day. Batman owns the night, but he doesn't own the day.

I've found the answer, provided by DP Wally Pfister in American Cinematographer:

American Cinematographer: Batman Looms Larger

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“We wanted to suggest a colder, more modern world, and rather than going dark with everything, we had fun with some brighter environments. The red-yellow patina of Batman Begins came naturally from the sodium-vapor lamps we used so much, and Dark Knight’s different environments became an excuse to play with colors a bit more.”

The new film features three distinct tones: one is slightly blue-green; another is neutral, almost black-and-white; and the third is a rust-like tinge that references Batman Begins. “Early on, I suggested to Wally that because the film is called The Dark Knight and is about, metaphorically, extremely dark subjects, it would be interesting to play against that for much of the film and make things as bright as possible, even as the material gets darker,” says Nolan. “I encouraged Wally to be open to different textures for different scenes and not be too rigid in terms of an overriding style, and he really warmed to that. His style of photography is very naturalistic and very subtle; he’s very good at making things feel real with an unforced and natural beauty, and that’s what we were really after on this film.”

This quote is from page 2 of the article.

A great, but very technical (from a photographer's point of view naturally) read.
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Does the actual movie start where the prologue started or is there something before it?
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Originally Posted by Chad R
Just got back. If you can, see it in IMAX. Even if you have to wait for a later show or more convenient time this weekend. It's worth it. Every penny.

I'm driving 90+ miles to see it in IMAX next week. I can't freakin' wait.
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I'd really like to see this film in an IMAX theater. Unfortunately I'd have to drive twelve hundred miles for the privilege of seeing it. 600 there and 600 back.

There is only one film that I specifically took a bus trip for. I ended up going to Edmonton to see Princess Mononoke at a theater near the University. That was due to the fact that the pricks running the local multi-plex would not bring the film into the city where I lived.
To tell the truth, I must have been crazy to spend 140 bucks + car rental + ticket. Man, did I want to see that movie badly on a big screen.

A question for anybody living in Edmonton. Is the theater near the University still there? I can't remember the name of it, but it was an older theater that had been newly refurbished with state of the art sound (at that time). It was a real theater, not an ugly screening room that passes for a theater in these multiplexes. It was an amphitheater type with a single screen that had an actual curtain, red carpeting on the floor with red wall coverings and an entrance with a wooden railing that curved down into the main seating area. Damn, it was a nice theater. It reminded me of the ones I used to go to as a kid.
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Originally Posted by taco
Does the actual movie start where the prologue started or is there something before it?

It starts just like the prologue. THen, including the major sequences that are all IMAX, there are intermittent shots here and there in full IMAX to take advantage of the format. Mostly cityscapes. Like, there'll be a magnificent shot of Wayne tower, and then right back to standard 35mm after that. It's an interesting choice, and definitely gives those shots impact in setting Gotham up as a huge metropolis. It's just amazing. Half of me wishes he would have shot the whole thing that way.
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Chad,

If Nolan does a third film, I really think he'd shoot the whole thing in IMAX. In interviews, it seems he wanted to do more...
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Originally Posted by Lou Sytsma
This film is fermenting almost religious zeal. Never have I seen such an uproar anytime someone offers a negative review of The Dark Knight.

Weird....
Weird, and sadly desperate. I lambasted the SW fans when they did this, and Firefly fans took it to an entirely unhealthy level with Serenity. This isn't quite Firefly bad, but it's definitely worse than the SW fans. But the irrational are the irrational, and they'll probably bitch when TDK isn't nominated for Best Picture. And if it is, they'll be smug pricks.

Man, just be happy YOU liked the movie (once you [the royal you] finally see it)! Quit looking for validation of what is probably a pathetic existence I am as excited for this film as any sane person can be. But it's just a movie. Hopefully a great one...but a movie nonetheless.
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Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by MikeRS
Um, WHAT?!? Your comment seems even curiouser, Oscar? Forget the Joker, cause I'm here to tell you, unequivocally, that he will never be overshadowed by Heath Ledger. Ever. Jack Nicholson's towering legacy will always be intact as long as humans continue to watch movies. He is (arguably) the greatest actor/movie star of the 70s.

Easy Rider
Five Easy Pieces
Carnal Knowledge
King Of Marvin Gardens
The Last Detail
Chinatown
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
The Shining


Iconic work...all of them!

Hell, his work in the 80s ain't too shabby either(Prizzi's Honor Terms Of Endearment, Ironweed, Postman Always Rings Twice)


All due respect (he was a very talented, promising young actor) Heath Ledger isn't a pimple on that ass! Maybe he could have been had he LIVED. But that is neither here nor there

It's just different interpretations of the same character.

Yes you are right about JN as is still getting some great roles like The Departed and Bucket List.

Those 70s movies will always be there
post #2220 of 2280

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Well, someone very special surprised me with IMAX tickets last night that she bought very early. This is great, because the IMAX is sold out for the entire weekend EXCEPT 6AM on one day. By the way, that includes sold out times of 130 AM and 3 AM.

Just went and tallied up how many times this film will be shown at our theater a day. On friday, including the IMAX presentations as well, this movie will be shown 44 times in my theater.
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