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post #2161 of 2280
7/14/08 at 8:17am

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by JonZ
TonyD,
Actually that scene you spoilerized goes way back to the second trailer.



I took friday off. Getting 2 tickets. Gonna see it, get something to eat and then go back and see it again.

right, but you just SEE what he does.
there is nothing spoken between the two characters. in fact the one character isnt even seen in the first version.
post #2162 of 2280
7/14/08 at 9:20am

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
When the film is released on Blu-Ray, the IMAX aspect ratio WILL be preserved, filling the 16:9 HDTV frame, then switch to 2.35:1 (or whatever it is exactly, 2.39:1 or 2.40:1) for the remainder of the film.
Cropping from 1.34:1 to 1.77:1 is NOT preserving the aspect ratio. It's no better than cropping 1.85:1 to 1.34:1 for P&S DVDs.

That's what makes the decision to film only partially in IMAX so frustrating. The composition for all of those scenes is compromised no matter what version you see. The IMAX release can't put anything too important outside the 2.35:1 crop because it won't be seen in conventional theaters. The conventional release looses half the picture for the key scenes that IMAX cameras were used for. And the home video releases are probably going to be some bastardized halfway compromise between the two.
post #2163 of 2280
7/14/08 at 9:30am

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Well, the presentation (larger than the standard) will be preserved, if not the ratio itself.

I know it's asking a bit to remember the theatrical presentation, but for anyone who has the Blu-Ray disc and saw the prologue in theaters, does the Blu-Ray version look cropped?

I obtained a 720p version of the prologue and it doesn't fill the screen entirely, as the sides have borders, but not as large as that of a 4x3 image.
post #2164 of 2280
7/14/08 at 9:34am

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
Cropping from 1.34:1 to 1.77:1 is NOT preserving the aspect ratio. It's no better than cropping 1.85:1 to 1.34:1 for P&S DVDs.

That's what makes the decision to film only partially in IMAX so frustrating. The composition for all of those scenes is compromised no matter what version you see. The IMAX release can't put anything too important outside the 2.35:1 crop because it won't be seen in conventional theaters. The conventional release looses half the picture for the key scenes that IMAX cameras were used for. And the home video releases are probably going to be some bastardized halfway compromise between the two.

They didn't crop it to 1.77:1, it shows the entire frame as intended, and there's no reason to expect it to be different for the full Blu-release. (If you've got some overscan it might fill the frame, as there's only some slight pillarboxing on the sides.)
post #2165 of 2280
7/14/08 at 10:35am

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

I'm very disappointed with their plans for the Bd release here. For the majority of you, who I assume are watching on 16:9 displays without masking, a gimmick like this will work just fine.
For people like myself though, who use a front projector specifically so that they can watch 2.35:1 content at a larger size than 16:9 or pillarboxed 1.33:1- this release will force me to watch the majority of this film in a smaller size and with the letterbox bars. Ironic that I will have to buy the lower resolution source to watch it at a larger constant height without any distracting 'spill' cropping up periodically.
This material, in this fashion should be made available via seamless branching that way everyone is covered.
But then maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse. Maybe I won't even want to own this.

Regardless, I expect this is likely to be the first million selling title on the format. The gimmick/novelty of the variable AR being exclusive to the Bd would seem to be a play by the studio to try to make this the formats first true killer app.
post #2166 of 2280
7/14/08 at 12:10pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
I'm very disappointed with their plans for the Bd release here. For the majority of you, who I assume are watching on 16:9 displays without masking, a gimmick like this will work just fine.
For people like myself though, who use a front projector specifically so that they can watch 2.35:1 content at a larger size than 16:9 or pillarboxed 1.33:1- this release will force me to watch the majority of this film in a smaller size and with the letterbox bars. Ironic that I will have to buy the lower resolution source to watch it at a larger constant height without any distracting 'spill' cropping up periodically.
This material, in this fashion should be made available via seamless branching that way everyone is covered.
But then maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse. Maybe I won't even want to own this.

Regardless, I expect this is likely to be the first million selling title on the format. The gimmick/novelty of the variable AR being exclusive to the Bd would seem to be a play by the studio to try to make this the formats first true killer app.

For the 35mm version the image is cropped equally from top and bottom, there is no re-framing done to it. As has already been pointed out, watching the Blu in a constant height setup would simply crop the image the same way it would appear in regular theaters or on the SD DVD, so I fail to see a problem.

Edit; I also don't consider OAR a "gimmick."
post #2167 of 2280
7/14/08 at 12:13pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Without anyone giving out any spoilers, was the rumour that Two-Face being done as split screen turn out to be correct? Or is it still makeup ala. Batman Forever?
post #2168 of 2280
7/14/08 at 12:24pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Well, Rottentomatoes.com now has it at 94% with the first negative reviews coming in.
post #2169 of 2280
7/14/08 at 12:33pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

86% 3 negs so far.
post #2170 of 2280
7/14/08 at 12:42pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

I'm okay with negative reviews. But not when their only real big criticisms are "It takes itself too seriously.. it shouldn't try to be a "real" movie. Why is it so dark?" Kind of reaching there.
post #2171 of 2280
7/14/08 at 12:43pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

All the negative reviews take issue with the seriousness of the film. In other words, they simply don't like the dark, morbid direction Nolan has taken the story to.

"In brief, Warner Bros. has continued to drain the poetry, fantasy, and comedy out of Tim Burton’s original conception for “Batman” (1989), completing the job of coarsening the material into hyperviolent summer action spectacle."

Excellent, I say!

There's no accounting for taste.
post #2172 of 2280
7/14/08 at 12:57pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
For the 35mm version the image is cropped equally from top and bottom, there is no re-framing done to it. As has already been pointed out, watching the Blu in a constant height setup would simply crop the image the same way it would appear in regular theaters or on the SD DVD, so I fail to see a problem.

What is your source for this information?
post #2173 of 2280
7/14/08 at 1:31pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway

"In brief, Warner Bros. has continued to drain the poetry, fantasy, and comedy out of Tim Burton’s original conception for “Batman” (1989), completing the job of coarsening the material into hyperviolent summer action spectacle."

Ahem....*cough*Batman Returns*cough*
post #2174 of 2280
7/14/08 at 1:45pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

My IMAX is completely sold out except for 6 AM friday morning and 130 AM sunday morning. I can't even go to the non-IMAX Midnight showing on Thursday, it's sold out.
post #2175 of 2280
7/14/08 at 3:14pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
I obtained a 720p version of the prologue and it doesn't fill the screen entirely, as the sides have borders, but not as large as that of a 4x3 image.
That's not as bad then. I'm not a huge fan of pillarboxing, but I much prefer it to cropping. It does beg the question of what they'll do for the SD-DVD release, though; will the DVD be anamorphic, with the IMAX scenes pillarboxed, or will they be cropped to 2.39:1 to fit in with the regular 35 mm footage ala the conventional theatrical experience?
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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
They didn't crop it to 1.77:1, it shows the entire frame as intended, and there's no reason to expect it to be different for the full Blu-release. (If you've got some overscan it might fill the frame, as there's only some slight pillarboxing on the sides.)
My apologies. I was under the impression that the IMAX scenes would be cropped, not pillarboxed. It's still awkward and points out the limitations of doing things halfway, but at least we won't be missing anything.

I don't know if I'll be able to get to an IMAX next weekend, so I might be seeing it for the first time with the IMAX scenes cropped to 2.39:1 anyway.
post #2176 of 2280
7/14/08 at 3:30pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
All the negative reviews take issue with the seriousness of the film. In other words, they simply don't like the dark, morbid direction Nolan has taken he story to.

That's precisely why I can't take any of those reviews seriously.
post #2177 of 2280
7/14/08 at 3:42pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by cafink
What is your source for this information?

Just my eyes, sorry I don't think there's any official word about it, but all of the shared scenes we've seen so far look to have simple matting.

Here's just a couple of examples of which, admittedly, there aren't many. A number of the shots from the prologue that the trailers share turned out to be alternate takes. I really want to show these though to display the difference in the two. I VASTLY prefer the clean look of the prologue footage. I hope that's how the actual movie is and doesn't have the overly processed look from the trailers.

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
It's still awkward and points out the limitations of doing things halfway, but at least we won't be missing anything.

I honestly felt that way at first too. But after reading Nolan's comments about it, and how they filmed a lot of material in IMAX that will still only be shown in 35mm, I realized it's just another tool for effect. It's unconventional, sure, but it's really no different than a movie that has some scenes in B&W, some in color, or a movie that is partly animated, etc..
post #2178 of 2280
7/14/08 at 4:03pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

Since I've been collecting the various trailers and so on for DVD making, I've made a DVD-compatible video of that 720p file. I made two versions, including one with masking bars to approximate a 2.35:1 ratio and I'll post some screencaps of it here.

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post #2179 of 2280
7/14/08 at 4:33pm
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The Dark Knight Cast and Director Remember Heath Ledger - Superhero Hype!
post #2180 of 2280
7/14/08 at 4:59pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
Just my eyes, sorry I don't think there's any official word about it, but all of the shared scenes we've seen so far look to have simple matting.

Here's just a couple of examples of which, admittedly, there aren't many. A number of the shots from the prologue that the trailers share turned out to be alternate takes. I really want to show these though to display the difference in the two. I VASTLY prefer the clean look of the prologue footage. I hope that's how the actual movie is and doesn't have the overly processed look from the trailers.

I'm willing to bet the latter is more than likely how it will look in the film. The Prologue shots were probably not color timed yet.
post #2181 of 2280
7/14/08 at 5:02pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
I'm willing to bet the latter is more than likely how it will look in the film. The Prologue shots were probably not color timed yet.

Batman Begins looked like that, so it's clearly a deliberate choice to give both films that slight sepia-toned look.
post #2182 of 2280
7/14/08 at 5:33pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
Just my eyes, sorry I don't think there's any official word about it, but all of the shared scenes we've seen so far look to have simple matting.

Here's just a couple of examples of which, admittedly, there aren't many. A number of the shots from the prologue that the trailers share turned out to be alternate takes. I really want to show these though to display the difference in the two. I VASTLY prefer the clean look of the prologue footage. I hope that's how the actual movie is and doesn't have the overly processed look from the trailers.
I think it's an issue of trying to successfully integrate two different films stocks. The prologue looks cleaner because 70mm has way more resolution than 35 mm. You get more light into the camera and everything else. It'll be interesting to see how they integrate the two filming methods. I wish they'd shot the whole film in the 70 mm IMAX format, but I hope they don't "dumb down" the picture from the 70 mm shots in the digital intermediate. Even 35 mm prints of old 70 mm films look better than 35 mm prints of 35 mm films. I think the same should hold true for the IMAX footage in the conventional release.

Thanks for the screen shots. Some shots, like the Joker outside the bank holding the clown mask, look claustrophobic in 2.39:1 matting. Others, like the shot of the street outside the bank with all of the buses, look like they were shot for 2.39:1.
post #2183 of 2280
7/14/08 at 6:49pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
Batman Begins looked like that, so it's clearly a deliberate choice to give both films that slight sepia-toned look.

I think everything about TDK says this film will be very cool and blue in the way 'Begins was sepia. You can see it across the whole campaign, from the posters to the blue flaming bat symbol, etc..
post #2184 of 2280
7/14/08 at 7:00pm

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

I hope so. Much preferred to the sepia color.
post #2185 of 2280
7/14/08 at 8:23pm

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I hope not. Seemingly every fucking actually movie since The Matrix has been either blue or green tinted. I loved the sepia because it was a completely different, earthier color set to what we've been getting and it helped reinforce the claustrophobia of Gotham.
The only way the blue/sepia divide would work for me is if the night scenes are sepia like Batman Begins and the day scenes are blue. It would really drive home the idea that Gotham is two different worlds by night and by day. Batman owns the night, but he doesn't own the day.
post #2186 of 2280
7/15/08 at 12:38am

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
I hope not. Seemingly every fucking actually movie since The Matrix has been either blue or green tinted.

I was thinking of HEAT and its 'cold' color scheme, as I haven't seen The Matrix in about 7 years or so, barely remember it, and never bothered with the sequels.
post #2187 of 2280
7/15/08 at 3:27am

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

This site shows the difference between IMAX and 35 MM aspect ratios.

Photos: The Dark Knight in 35mm vs. IMAX | /Film
post #2188 of 2280
7/15/08 at 5:02am

Re: Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged)

"Saw it this afternoon. Believe the hype, it's excellent. "

Shawn,
Can you give us some info about youre screening without going into spoilers
post #2189 of 2280
7/15/08 at 5:08am

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post #2190 of 2280
7/15/08 at 7:39am
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Jack Nicholson warned Heath Ledger on 'Joker' role

dated Jan 24

Curious comment.

Is he afraid that he will be forever overshadowed by HL ?
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