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post #211 of 2280
10/23/05 at 1:01pm
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...which is why "Batman: Escalation" is the best possible name for it!
Honestly, that's the best one I've heard so far.
post #212 of 2280
10/23/05 at 8:52pm
Batman: Escalation would be an absolutely perfect name. If the rumors on the direction the story is being taken are true, I don't think there will be much of a debate any longer about the best comic book movie ever. Begins is so damn close despite everything it was working against (time to tell origin, franchise in ruins, etc.) that as long as WB keeps their hands off the sequel it can't miss.

Guys, let Nolan do his work. The Force is strong with him.
post #213 of 2280
10/24/05 at 6:33pm
I still think "The Long Halloween" sounds pretty cool. "Escalation" is good too. Maybe something that references the Joker would be good too, though.
post #214 of 2280
10/24/05 at 8:02pm
Here's my ranking for Live-Action (I think The Incredibles is better than all these):

1) Spiderman 2: For me, the train sequence is the most hair-raising scene I've ever scene (especially when Spidey throws people in webs)

2) X-Men 2: Best scene: Magneto's escape

3) Batman Begins: Fantastic movie, but the fight sequence left to be desired IMHO.

4) Unbreakable

5) Superman (did not aged too well)
post #215 of 2280
10/25/05 at 7:27am
Thanks, Oscar for those links. Reading the interview and seeing the extras on the second disc of the deluxe edition makes me like the movie even more. Nolan gets the character, cares about making a solid movie, and does things for a reason.

"Batman: Escalation" sounds pretty cool to me. Very organic, given the last scene of BB, and a great theme to build on as well. Fear was a predominant theme in BB; perhaps the next film could deal with Batman getting a handle on his anger, power, and methods of dealing with criminals.
post #216 of 2280
10/26/05 at 10:14am

Michael Keaton as The Joker?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/arts/thes...0/s1490907.htm
post #217 of 2280
10/26/05 at 10:15am
This will probably get rolled into the main BB2 thread, but Keaton was my choice right after I saw BB. I think he'd nail it. Regardless of the interesting fact he played Batman once...that might even help.

Take care,
Chuck
post #218 of 2280
10/26/05 at 10:57am
I think it helps a LOT, Chuck. I also had him as my favorite from the beginning. Watch him get it and NAIL it.
post #219 of 2280
10/26/05 at 11:30am
Worst idea ever
post #220 of 2280
10/26/05 at 11:48am
I agree. That and he doesn't really look like the Joker. And for a movie series that really isn't trying to evoke ANY memories of the old films, casting BATMAN as the Joker is a pretty big link.
post #221 of 2280
10/26/05 at 12:00pm
He certainly looks the part but I could never get over his previous role. It would just be too weird.

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H
post #222 of 2280
10/26/05 at 12:07pm
Keaton didn't have a chin for Batman, and sure as hell doesn't have the chin for the Joker.
post #223 of 2280
10/26/05 at 12:40pm
What Joker Chin? I've seen him drawn so many ways. Keaton does have the facial structure for it, IMO. His looks are a big reason I think he'd work. He certainly looks more like it than Nicholson did, and he managed OK

Beetlejuice,
Chuck
post #224 of 2280
10/26/05 at 1:08pm


Here's another Joker rendition by Brian Bolland in "The Killing Joke", that's pretty close to what I envision the Joker looking like for casting purposes. I was never too keen on the Nicholson-as-Joker casting choice.
post #225 of 2280
10/26/05 at 1:16pm
I know the Bolland Chin, Patrick. My point was that the actor could make it work. Keaton's face is angular enough. Besides, Bolland and TAS Joker don't have similar chins either

I think Keaton the actor could make it work. I haven't seen the President movie or Herbie Lohan, so I don't know if he still has the chops.

But at one time...he'd have been perfect.

Take care,
Chuck
post #226 of 2280
10/26/05 at 2:06pm
Thread Starter 
here is more from Nolan

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/interv...ew.asp?IID=342

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One thing that really came out in this film were the similarities between Batman and Bond – the playboy lifestyle, the gadgets, the villains. Did you consciously go for that feel?
Oh yeah, absolutely. Frankly, I’m surprised it didn’t get noticed more because to me they’re fairly direct influences. It was something I was very keen to do. When I talked to the studio about what I wanted to do with the character, I talked about the Bond sensibility, that idea of recognisable grounded reality but then very heightened to take it into a sort of more entertaining realm. We really did try to look back to the best of the previous Bond movies, in terms of the direction, of tone. Also, technically in terms of how we tried to achieve things, because over the years those films have set the standard of technical excellence in terms of stunt work and special effects as opposed to visual effects, you know, what’s going on on the floor. So we really tried to avail ourselves of the people who’d worked on those films and a lot of their method.


But whatever the similarities, once he puts on the suit, I suppose, he's Batman.

Yeah, I guess once he puts his ears on he has his own iconography that kind of dominates.
post #227 of 2280
10/27/05 at 8:28am
That picture from The Killing Joke kind of reminds me of Adrian Brody. But I really hope they do not adapt that story for the movie AT ALL. I disagree with all the comic book fans calling for it. Think about it...that story is just digusting and depressing. It is not the least bit interesting or entertaining. It's basically just about an old man being tortured and humiliated, and would make for a rotten movie. I really don't like the interpretation of The Joker that I saw in that comic. Too gross for me.
post #228 of 2280
10/27/05 at 10:00am
Interesting you say that Ocean, about "Killing Joke". Alan Moore, the writer completely agrees, saying the Brian Bolland art is fantastic and pleaseing, but admitting that he dropped the ball on the story. He also isn't happy with the grim and gritty direction that comics took after that and "Dark Knight" changed comics.

A Joker story is a givin for the sequel, and I'd like to see a return of Ghul in the third, maybe taking Batman to the middle east with Talia. Really open up the franchise to all of it's possibilities.
post #229 of 2280
12/22/05 at 10:18am
From a story on Dark Horizons, it appears that Phillip Seymour Hoffman is being considered for the role of the Penguin.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/051222c.php

The story also mentions Sam Rockwell campaigning for the part of the Joker. While he may not have the height, I think he has the looks and acting chops to do it.

On a side note, it's interesting to me that Nolan is working again with Christian Bale for The Prestige, which means they might end up working together for 3 films in a row (assuming the sequel to BB is after The Prestige).
post #230 of 2280
12/22/05 at 10:34am
Rockwell would be an inspired (and great) choice. I'd never complain about PSH in a film either. Both of those actors are outstanding and unique.
post #231 of 2280
12/22/05 at 10:50am
For those itching for a bit more Batman news and discussion, I recommend Batman on Film. I lurk there infrequently and post even less, but it appears the studio and/or filmmakers give it some attention.

http://www.batman-on-film.com

Chuck, I agree with you - both choices wuold be great and in line with what Nolan has done so far. Rockwell, with good writing, could make a great Joker.
post #232 of 2280
12/22/05 at 11:27am
I also read BOF because it's nothing if not comprehensive. [At times, I find that the] webmaster [can be] a self-important, ass-kissing blowhard, though. Wade through the "editorials" and the [IMHO worthless] and he has never-the-less created a fairly significant archive of everything to do with the new Batman franchise.
Just click on the links in the stories, that's what I do Damn, I've become a grouchy, mean-spirited old man...

EDIT: I decided I wanted to sound like less of an asshole.
post #233 of 2280
1/13/06 at 10:18am
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According to Moviehole, via Cinematical, Johnny Depp is director Christopher Nolan's top choice for The Joker, and Rachel Weisz would play a Femme-fatale character (who I believe may be Harley Quinn)


Ugh! I hope that rumor is false. Rachael Weisz was in that b-movie Constantine. Terrible choice for Harley Quinn. She couldn't be her. Harley Quinn is supposed to be a young sexy woman, someone like (as has been suggested) Keira Knightley.
post #234 of 2280
1/13/06 at 10:34am
I have faith in Nolan. I never thought of Depp for Joker, but that would be a nice performance. Depp and Oldman in the same movie? What a treat.
post #235 of 2280
1/13/06 at 11:15am
Honestly, I think that Cameron Diaz would make an excellent Harley Quinn.
post #236 of 2280
1/13/06 at 11:20am
Depp could do the Joker. Probably even be inspired casting.

I had heard Weisz was considered for Talia...good choice. Not good for Harley, but I think Harley is outside of where the film is ready to go...same with Robin. Too silly for their approach, especially in a second film. Have to lay the groundwork first before working a script to get THEM in. Diaz 11 years ago. Too old now. The actress would have to be in her early 20s.

That said, I am eternally thrilled Begins is getting a sequel. We were a little worried there for a few weeks, until WOM kicked in! Fantasy has been on a great run lately, but I feel Begins was unique in it's cinematic approach. I am simply happy the same team will be back for another film. With the groundwork laid, they could make something incredibly special for round two. Provided the script is up to par.
post #237 of 2280
1/13/06 at 11:30am
Yeah, Diaz a few years ago would have been much better than Current-Diaz. Her personality, face, and body type are pretty spot-on, though.
post #238 of 2280
1/13/06 at 11:31am
I think Guy Pierce had a good shot at being cast as The Joker (if he's even in the running) for several reasons.

First of all, he worked with Nolan in Memento. Second, it's been awhile since we've seen him in a high profile role in a high profile movie. Being in a movie of this caliber would probably bring him back into attention and open up his career a bit. Thirdly, he has a pretty odd looking face that could really be creepy in the right circumstances. He's a good actor to boot, which seems to fit the overall high requirements of the casting scheme Nolan has chosen. I'm sure he could nail a psycho NO PROBLEM.
post #239 of 2280
1/13/06 at 12:26pm
I think Cameron Diaz is too tall/skinny to be Harley Quinn, but Drew Barrymore might fit the bill better in terms of physical appearance/build. Amy Poehler would be really zany has HQ as well.
post #240 of 2280
1/13/06 at 1:11pm
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I had heard Weisz was considered for Talia...good choice.

Yeah, that's the current rumor not the Weisz = Harley rumor. She's a wonderful choice to play Talia and I think the Talia character is a great plot development... the vengeance angle mixed with love. Very explosive.
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