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post #181 of 2280
10/19/05 at 3:58pm
1. Batman Begins
2. X2
3. Spider-Man 2
4. Batman
5. X-Men
post #182 of 2280
10/19/05 at 6:13pm
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I like my superheroes dark.

The Crow too dark for you?

My list includes;

Batman Begins
The Crow
Superman: The movie
Spider-man
X-men
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm/Return of the Joker
post #183 of 2280
10/19/05 at 9:37pm
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The Crow too dark for you?


Forgot about "The Crow". Also, for comic book movie based on original material "Unbreakable".
post #184 of 2280
10/19/05 at 10:12pm
I don't think anything will ever top X2 for me. I think a lot of people forgot about it when Spider-Man 2 came out because they were so overwhelmed by how much more serious and different it was from other comic book movies, but I would not let its uniqueness blind me to the fact that it is inferior to X2 (although I WAS impressed by how original it was). My problem with Spider-Man 2 is that it had some dialogue-heavy dead spots (not that I have no patience for dialogue, as evidenced by the fact that Before Sunrise is one of my favourite films), which caused the movie to drag a little for me. I think X2 is still better because it had just the right balance of dialogue and action, never stopping too long for dialogue-heavy scenes too much, and making sure that when they did, what was said never got boring.

Batman Begins , on the other hand, had the problem of having better dialogue-heavy scenes than actions scenes. I just can't get over how annoying the quick-cutting in the action scenes was (even after its purpose was explained to me, I still don't agree with it), I still don't like the Batmobile and felt that the scene with it went on too long just to show it off, and Bale was a little over-the-top as Batman. So while Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2 are both great movies, I still think they're both a distant second to X2.
post #185 of 2280
10/19/05 at 10:57pm
Just saw the first one, (Batman Begins). I liked it, although, as others mention, some of the things could have been better. The editing on the actions scenes, also had a bit of trouble catching some of the dialog, (due to volume of voice, dialect, etc.) Still a pretty good take on Batman, looking forward to a sequel.
post #186 of 2280
10/20/05 at 12:50am
If you watch the DVD, you'll see that the fight cheoreographers used a relatively new type of martial arts combat (the name escapes me at the moment) which relies heavily on in-close fighting.

Christopher Nolan wanted to get away from the "ballet" style fight scenes and wire work.

So I think it is important to point out though the style of fight scenes in Batman Begins is very much intended to be the way it was.
post #187 of 2280
10/20/05 at 7:20am
The fighting style is called KFM for short...but I think the long name is Keysi fighting style created by two stunt guys over the past 20 years. It's very high impact and close range fighting using alot of elbow blows.
post #188 of 2280
10/20/05 at 7:55am
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I don't think anything will ever top X2 for me. I think a lot of people forgot about it when Spider-Man 2 came out because they were so overwhelmed by how much more serious and different it was from other comic book movies, but I would not let its uniqueness blind me to the fact that it is inferior to X2 (although I WAS impressed by how original it was). My problem with Spider-Man 2 is that it had some dialogue-heavy dead spots (not that I have no patience for dialogue, as evidenced by the fact that Before Sunrise is one of my favourite films), which caused the movie to drag a little for me. I think X2 is still better because it had just the right balance of dialogue and action, never stopping too long for dialogue-heavy scenes too much, and making sure that when they did, what was said never got boring.


Spidey 2 gets rated lower because there are too many whack you over the head moments. Yes, I know Peter is having bad stuff happening in his personal life. Yes, I know Harry hates Spider-Man. It all gets laid on a bit too thick for my tastes.

To be honest, BB is about as well as you can do an origin story, which is why it rates higher than the first Spidey, which was my high water mark as origin stories go.

Jason
post #189 of 2280
10/20/05 at 9:05am
No love for Sin City on any of these lists?

I haven't seen the movie (waiting for the Super Duper DVD) but it looks cool.

My list:

1. Batman Begins
2. X2
3. Superman
4. X-Men
5. Batman

I thought Spiderman 1 was a mess, and because of it I never got around to watching Spiderman 2.
post #190 of 2280
10/20/05 at 9:13am
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If you watch the DVD, you'll see that the fight cheoreographers used a relatively new type of martial arts combat (the name escapes me at the moment) which relies heavily on in-close fighting.

Christopher Nolan wanted to get away from the "ballet" style fight scenes and wire work.

So I think it is important to point out though the style of fight scenes in Batman Begins is very much intended to be the way it was.
Perhaps, but that's irrelevant to the chief complaint, i.e. how the fights were flimed.

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H
post #191 of 2280
10/20/05 at 9:28am
flimed????

FLIMED???

Just teasing you, Holadem. They addressed the filming...they wanted it seen from the criminal's perspective. That won't make you like it anymore, but there is a reason.

Take care,
Chuck
post #192 of 2280
10/20/05 at 9:49am
I will resort to my standard excuse: English is not my first language, it's my fourth

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H
post #193 of 2280
10/20/05 at 11:26am
Joe, I caught Sin City on DVD. It was barely watchable, IMHO. My wife got up and didn't even watch all of it. I was OK to watch it, but it just didn't click with me.
post #194 of 2280
10/20/05 at 11:39am
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They addressed the filming...they wanted it seen from the criminal's perspective.


What I liked about it was that those scenes made it feel like a horror movie. It very much reminded me of "Alien". Less is more. For these criminals, it's not a guy dressed in a batsuit... it's a terrifying creature.
post #195 of 2280
10/20/05 at 11:51am
"If you ask me, this is THE opportunity to do with the Joker what no other incarnation of Batman on film has done, and that is to utilize the character as a dark reflection of Batman"

This is why Samm Hamm was so disappointed when they hired Nicholson as the Joker,because he thought they should emphasize the doppleganger thing as much as possible. The Joker should resemble Bruce Wayne.

As for my live action list:

1. Superman
2. Spiderman 2
3. Batman Begins (This and Spidey2 are pretty deadlocked. This could change with time and repeat viewings)
4. X2
5. Conan The Barbarian
6. Dick Tracy
7. Superman 2
8. Spiderman
9. Hellboy
10.The Rocketeer
post #196 of 2280
10/20/05 at 11:59am
Spidey 2 gets rated lower because there are too many whack you over the head moments. Yes, I know Peter is having bad stuff happening in his personal life. Yes, I know Harry hates Spider-Man. It all gets laid on a bit too thick for my tastes.

Bless you Jason, and you too Joe D. Where were you guys when I needed you.

I've come to accept the Spidey films, but they will never be favorites of mine. Maybe if the franchise is ever re-started like Batman has been it will have a second chance with me. I recognize what is good about them, but for my particular tastes, neither the lead actors nor the movies' tone do anything for me.

Nice comparison of the Batman action scenes with Alien. For their purpose in the film they do work. They never scream "here's a kick-ass fight scene", but I'm guessing that will come in sequels. For this particular origin tale, they're great for the first appearance of Batman to the criminal element. It will be a challenge for the filmmakers to strike a good balance in the sequels--good, creative, exciting action sequences that don't go too over the top. From an action standpoint, the Batman Begins fight scenes don't have much re-watchability, but they're great for a suspense film. The sequels will have to amp up the action now that Batman is an accepted element in this world without losing all the style of this new Batman universe. I expect to see some good, gritty fights. Something along the lines of the Jango/OBW rain battle in AOTC, only with Batman.
post #197 of 2280
10/20/05 at 12:20pm
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Spidey 2 gets rated lower because there are too many whack you over the head moments. Yes, I know Peter is having bad stuff happening in his personal life.

I agree with that. Between the broom closet and the scene where he was getting hit in the head by passing students at school, it was way too much. I hated that. It's still one of my favorite comic movies, though. Personally, I didn't like X2. The first one was much better to me.
post #198 of 2280
10/20/05 at 12:22pm
Nice comparison of the Batman action scenes with Alien.

Now maybe with the "escalation" Gordon was talking about the criminals will have to get power loaders.

"Get away from her you BAT!"

Sorry that was bad....
post #199 of 2280
10/20/05 at 12:44pm
Thread Starter 
here is more from C Nolan

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/features/?id=1921&p=.htm pg 1

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/feature...genum=2&p=.htm page 2

interesting stuff indeed
post #200 of 2280
10/20/05 at 12:48pm
"Batman Rebuilds"
post #201 of 2280
10/20/05 at 1:02pm
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"Batman Rebuilds"

Bruce Wayne. Billionaire. A man barely alive.

The Six Billion Dollar Bat?
post #202 of 2280
10/20/05 at 2:54pm
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Bless you Jason, and you too Joe D. Where were you guys when I needed you.


Don't bless me yet. If you go back to those threads, I didn't agree with you either. I still think the original was one of the best origin stories out there, before BB, and I really like both films. Those things knocked Spidey 2 from being a great film to just being a good film.

Jason
post #203 of 2280
10/20/05 at 3:14pm
It's clear from Nolan's interview that Escalation on all sides is going to be one of the themes in the sequels...
post #204 of 2280
10/20/05 at 4:17pm
...which is why "Batman: Escalation" is the best possible name for it!
post #205 of 2280
10/21/05 at 11:07am
Someone at another forum. Thought this real life vehicle. Would make a great looking Bat-vehicle.

post #206 of 2280
10/21/05 at 11:11am
Okay thats not real, its CG. And we already have a great batmobile.

Edit: it is kinda cool though
post #207 of 2280
10/21/05 at 12:30pm
Does it come in black?
post #208 of 2280
10/21/05 at 1:32pm
Also, for comic book movie based on original material "Unbreakable".


Don't you mean "Super hero movie"?
post #209 of 2280
10/21/05 at 3:46pm
My Top Ten super hero flicks:

1) Batman Begins
2) Superman: The Movie
3) Unbreakable
4) X2: X-Men United
5) Spider-Man 2
6) The Incredibles
7) X-Men
8) Spider-Man
9) Blade
10) Batman Returns


And to keep it on topic, my favorite Batman sequel titles:

1) Batman: The Dark Knight
2) Batman: The Dark Knight Detective (with an emphasis on Detective!)
3) Batman: Twisted Reflections (with the Joker as a the twisted mirror image)
4) Batman: Dark Reflections (variation of the previous title)

8^B
post #210 of 2280
10/23/05 at 8:46am
After seeing Batman Begins again, and reading where they are rumored to be going with the story in the sequel I cannot wait. Nolan and Co. are nailing Batman perfectly. Absolutely amazing.

Regards,
Dan
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